Hillary Clinton Benghazi Testimony

[OODA_Loop]

Does anyone care that the glaring problem in all of this was, no one wanted to make a command decision. We have generals saying that they weren't told to go in so they didn't. Why do two, three, and four star generals have to ask for permission to save Americans? They got that rank because they make good decisions the majority of the time, and they know how to lead. Are we really saying that our government has to be micromanaged because the other side holds the president and his cabinet ultimately responsible for everything? This issue has me wondering the political affiliation of all of the generals, do conservative generals want to make Obama look bad? or visa versa. Our political system is F#^*ed.

One thing you can say about George W. Bush is that no general under his command would have hesitated to save American personel and servicemen when the distress call went up.

Obama not so much.

 

[Staidhup]

Regardless of ones political affiliation, the fact that the warnings received were not taken seriously and proper security measures were not taken is inexcusable. What is more disturbing is that when the facts were known we have the feeble utube video statements made by the President. No, Dorothy the wicked witch is not dead after all and terrorism is still very much alive, contrary to those living in the crystal palace.

You post this after Bush and 9/11.

Interesting.

Apples and Oranges, and you are aware that the cell was in place long before W was sworn into office? Under what context would the FBI have in deterring the activities of these people, second, the CIA is prohibited from operating and spying, employing counter intelligence measures, and gathering information within the US? The fact remains loosely gathered non substantiated speculation is one thing, intelligence and reality is another. I will grant you this, the dumbing down of the CIA and FBI activities within our boarders was a very costly outcome of Watergate.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Repupblican Rep McCaul of Texas was spanked and corrected... http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

Security Cables never went above Assitant Secretary level where the ARB (report) placed responsibility 'where the rubber hits the road'

No one in 'Secretary's Office' saw cable about security issues

"With regard to the security requests subsequent to the August 16 cable, our personnel in Libya had not submitted any additional security requests to Washington at the time of the Sept 11 attack"

FACT: August 16th cable stated security requests for Ben Ghazzi will be forthcoming ... the RSO in Ben Ghazzi submitted to Tripoli a preliminary list of proposed security recommendations on August 23rd BUT NO REQUESTS WERE SUBMITTED TO WASHINGTON BEFORE THE ATTACKS

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Goddamn I wish she'd run for Prez in 2016.....

 

[Dr Grump]

It is Hillary's and Obama's JOB to know what THEIR people are doing, this "I didn't know" crap is juvenile and demeaning to their respective offices.

What kind of silly, illogical nonsense is this? It's Hillary's and Obama's JOB to know about everything that goes on, as it happens? I'm sorry, but short of Omniscience that is an impossibility. We're not just in Libya, as the person you quoted has in his post, we have hundreds of thousands of personnel stationed all across the world- not just Arab nations. If you expect two people to personally leaf through all the information that is, no doubt constantly coming in... you're simply mad.

I concur. She said that her office gets 1.4 million cables a year. That is about 40,000 per day. If she works a 12 hour day that would be 3,333 an hour. Yeah, right, she is supposed to read all of them? Sure, her office does, but I bet there are literally thousands of security requests every year from embassies around the world. Most would add up to nothing. Hell, I remember a certain briefing given by Clinton to George Bush Jnr's lot in January 2001 when Dubya took office. We all know how that turned out...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It would be kind of nice to know why that outpost had so few defenses.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

For many years the State Department has been engaged in a struggle to obtain the resources necessary to carry out its work, with varying degrees of success. This has brought about a deep sense of the importance of husbanding resources to meet the highest priorities, laudable in the extreme in any government department. But it has also had the effect of conditioning a few State Department managers to favor restricting the use of resources as a general orientation. There is no easy way to cut through this Gordian knot, all the more so as budgetary austerity looms large ahead. At the same time, it is imperative for the State Department to be mission-driven, rather than resource-constrained – particularly when being present in increasingly risky areas of the world is integral to U.S. national security. The recommendations in this report attempt to grapple with these issues and err on the side of increased attention to prioritization and to fuller support for people and facilities engaged in working in high risk, high threat areas. The solution requires a more serious and sustained commitment from Congress to support State Department needs, which, in total, constitute a small percentage both of the full national budget and that spent for national security. One overall conclusion in this report is that Congress must do its part to meet this challenge and provide necessary resources to the State Department to address security risks and meet mission imperatives.

Mindful of these considerations, the ARB has examined the terrorist attacks in Benghazi...

 

[Charles_Main]

Regardless of ones political affiliation, the fact that the warnings received were not taken seriously and proper security measures were not taken is inexcusable. What is more disturbing is that when the facts were known we have the feeble utube video statements made by the President. No, Dorothy the wicked witch is not dead after all and terrorism is still very much alive, contrary to those living in the crystal palace.

You post this after Bush and 9/11.

Interesting.

Apples and Oranges, and you are aware that the cell was in place long before W was sworn into office? Under what context would the FBI have in deterring the activities of these people, second, the CIA is prohibited from operating and spying, employing counter intelligence measures, and gathering information within the US? The fact remains loosely gathered non substantiated speculation is one thing, intelligence and reality is another. I will grant you this, the dumbing down of the CIA and FBI activities within our boarders was a very costly outcome of Watergate.

Clinton absolutely Devastated the CIA's Human intel side. Yet nobody on the left will ever place any blame for the Intel Failure of 9/11 on him. Oh no.

 

[Dr Grump]

So we just throw our hands up, "Well 4 Americans are dead.....nevermind how it happened"
????????????????

Who's saying that? Hilary certainly isn't..

 

[Clementine]

Who cares if the administration deliberately lied to us for weeks? Yea, nothing to see here, folks......

Even after all this time, they haven't come up with any explanation (lies) of what supposedly happened. They refuse to address why our people were all told to stand down the day of the attack. The general who came forth and said this was nothing but an attempt to stage a kidnapping of the ambassador in order to trade him for the Blind Sheik is the most reasonable explanation yet. It explains why requests for additional security in the months prior to the attack were denied. It explains why security personnel were removed from Libya right before the planned attack. It explains why our people on the ground and in the air were told to stand down. It explains why a general who intended to help the people at the embassy was arrested on the spot and why the guy that arrested him was chosen to take his place by Obama. It explains why we were lied to about protesters. It explains the complete lack of cooperation for months as this was investigated.

 

[Dr Grump]

Regardless of ones political affiliation, the fact that the warnings received were not taken seriously and proper security measures were not taken is inexcusable. What is more disturbing is that when the facts were known we have the feeble utube video statements made by the President. No, Dorothy the wicked witch is not dead after all and terrorism is still very much alive, contrary to those living in the crystal palace.

You post this after Bush and 9/11.

Interesting.

Where were the direct warnings from a pilot that terrorists were on board a plane months before 9/11? I don't recall reading about those.

Are you watching the testimony? Seriously...

 

[Charles_Main]

Repupblican Rep McCaul of Texas was spanked and corrected... http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

Security Cables never went above Assitant Secretary level where the ARB (report) placed responsibility 'where the rubber hits the road'

No one in 'Secretary's Office' saw cable about security issues

"With regard to the security requests subsequent to the August 16 cable, our personnel in Libya had not submitted any additional security requests to Washington at the time of the Sept 11 attack"

FACT: August 16th cable stated security requests for Ben Ghazzi will be forthcoming ... the RSO in Ben Ghazzi submitted to Tripoli a preliminary list of proposed security recommendations on August 23rd BUT NO REQUESTS WERE SUBMITTED TO WASHINGTON BEFORE THE ATTACKS

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[youtube]DUKpRlfAf8s[/youtube]

Goddamn I wish she'd run for Prez in 2016.....

Oh she will, despite her age, and all those lefties who swore McCain was to old, will all of the sudden think age is not an issue.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Regardless of ones political affiliation, the fact that the warnings received were not taken seriously and proper security measures were not taken is inexcusable. What is more disturbing is that when the facts were known we have the feeble utube video statements made by the President. No, Dorothy the wicked witch is not dead after all and terrorism is still very much alive, contrary to those living in the crystal palace.

You post this after Bush and 9/11.

Interesting.

Apples and Oranges, and you are aware that the cell was in place long before W was sworn into office? Under what context would the FBI have in deterring the activities of these people, second, the CIA is prohibited from operating and spying, employing counter intelligence measures, and gathering information within the US? The fact remains loosely gathered non substantiated speculation is one thing, intelligence and reality is another. I will grant you this, the dumbing down of the CIA and FBI activities within our boarders was a very costly outcome of Watergate.

Richard A. Clarke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In his memoir, "Against All Enemies", Clarke wrote that when he first briefed Rice on Al-Qaeda, in a January 2001 meeting, "her facial expression gave me the impression she had never heard the term before." He also stated that Rice made a decision that the position of National Coordinator for Counterterrorism should be downgraded. By demoting the office, the Administration sent a signal through the national security bureaucracy about the salience they assigned to terrorism. No longer would Clarke's memos go to the President; instead they had to pass though a chain of command of National Security Advisor Rice and her deputy Stephen Hadley, who bounced every one of them back.

Within a week of the inauguration, I wrote to Rice and Hadley asking 'urgently' for a Principals, or Cabinet-level, meeting to review the imminent Al-Qaeda threat. Rice told me that the Principals Committee, which had been the first venue for terrorism policy discussions in the Clinton administration, would not address the issue until it had been 'framed' by the Deputies.[10]

At the first Deputies Committee meeting on Terrorism held in April 2001, Clarke strongly suggested that the U.S. put pressure on both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda by arming the Northern Alliance and other groups in Afghanistan. Simultaneously, that they target bin Laden and his leadership by reinitiating flights of the MQ-1 Predators. To which Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz responded, "Well, I just don't understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man bin Laden." Clarke replied that he was talking about bin Laden and his network because it posed "an immediate and serious threat to the United States." According to Clarke, Wolfowitz turned to him and said, "You give bin Laden too much credit. He could not do all these things like the 1993 attack on New York, not without a state sponsor. Just because FBI and CIA have failed to find the linkages does not mean they don't exist."[10]

Clarke wrote in Against All Enemies that in the summer of 2001, the intelligence community was convinced of an imminent attack by al Qaeda, but could not get the attention of the highest levels of the Bush administration, most famously writing that Director of the Central Intelligence Agency George Tenet was running around with his "hair on fire".[10]

At a July 5, 2001, White House gathering of the FAA, the Coast Guard, the FBI, Secret Service and INS, Clarke stated that "something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon." Donald Kerrick, a three-star general who was a deputy National Security Advisor in the late Clinton administration and stayed on into the Bush administration, wrote Hadley a classified two-page memo stating that the NSA needed to "pay attention to Al-Qaida and counterterrorism" and that the U.S. would be "struck again."

 

[Dr Grump]

Repupblican Rep McCaul of Texas was spanked and corrected... http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

Security Cables never went above Assitant Secretary level where the ARB (report) placed responsibility 'where the rubber hits the road'

No one in 'Secretary's Office' saw cable about security issues

"With regard to the security requests subsequent to the August 16 cable, our personnel in Libya had not submitted any additional security requests to Washington at the time of the Sept 11 attack"

FACT: August 16th cable stated security requests for Ben Ghazzi will be forthcoming ... the RSO in Ben Ghazzi submitted to Tripoli a preliminary list of proposed security recommendations on August 23rd BUT NO REQUESTS WERE SUBMITTED TO WASHINGTON BEFORE THE ATTACKS

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[youtube]DUKpRlfAf8s[/youtube]

Goddamn I wish she'd run for Prez in 2016.....

She will. Only thing against her is her age. She'll be 69. Her health is fine, no matter what the retards say. She'll get the nomination. She might even win...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Repupblican Rep McCaul of Texas was spanked and corrected... http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

Security Cables never went above Assitant Secretary level where the ARB (report) placed responsibility 'where the rubber hits the road'

No one in 'Secretary's Office' saw cable about security issues

"With regard to the security requests subsequent to the August 16 cable, our personnel in Libya had not submitted any additional security requests to Washington at the time of the Sept 11 attack"

FACT: August 16th cable stated security requests for Ben Ghazzi will be forthcoming ... the RSO in Ben Ghazzi submitted to Tripoli a preliminary list of proposed security recommendations on August 23rd BUT NO REQUESTS WERE SUBMITTED TO WASHINGTON BEFORE THE ATTACKS

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[youtube]DUKpRlfAf8s[/youtube]

Goddamn I wish she'd run for Prez in 2016.....

Oh she will, despite her age, and all those lefties who swore McCain was to old, will all of the sudden think age is not an issue.

too far out make a bet, but most smaht people think she won't

 

[OODA_Loop]

Goddamn I wish she'd run for Prez in 2016.....

Oh she will, despite her age, and all those lefties who swore McCain was to old, will all of the sudden think age is not an issue.

too far out make a bet, but most smaht people think she won't

Biden 2016

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Oh she will, despite her age, and all those lefties who swore McCain was to old, will all of the sudden think age is not an issue.

btw who are all those lefties who swore McCain was too old?

 

[hortysir]

So we just throw our hands up, "Well 4 Americans are dead.....nevermind how it happened"
????????????????

Who's saying that? Hilary certainly isn't..

You don't find this statement more than just a little contradictory?

"Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk last night who decided to kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator."

Does it not make a difference what caused it or should we find out what caused it and prevent from happening again??????

Typical political double-speak.
That way either side can read what they want into her comments.

 

[Dr Grump]

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too far out make a bet, but most smaht people think she won't

I think if her health took a turn for the worse, she might not. But there are not many others out there to stand up...

 

[SniperFire]

Oh she will, despite her age, and all those lefties who swore McCain was to old, will all of the sudden think age is not an issue.

too far out make a bet, but most smaht people think she won't

Biden 2016

They don't call them 'Dims' for nothing. LOL

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Clinton absolutely Devastated the CIA's Human intel side. Yet nobody on the left will ever place any blame for the Intel Failure of 9/11 on him. Oh no.

SPIEGEL: Why did the hunt for Osama bin Laden take so long?


Clarke: There were four phases in the effort to track down Osama bin Laden. We made the decision that bin Laden should be arrested in 1996. Then, in 1998, President Bill Clinton authorized the CIA to kill him.

Interview with Richard Clarke: 'Capturing Bin Laden Was Not One of Their Big Priorities' - SPIEGEL ONLINE

SPIEGEL: At the time, Clinton was in political hot water in Washington because of his affair with Monica Lewinsky. You are said to have raised concerns at the time that the strike might lead to criticism that the president wanted to divert attention from his affair. How did the scandal impact the hunt for bin Laden?

Clarke: It didn't affect it at all. We had intelligence that bin Laden was going to be holding a meeting at a particular location at a particular time, and therefore it would have made sense to attack that location at that time with missiles. We took that option to the president and said, "Look, Mr. President, we know this is not a good time for you because of the congressional investigation, and it will look like you're trying to divert attention, so maybe you don't want to do this." He got furious with us and said, That's none of your business. You just get me the national security advisor. Do you think we should do this? We're going to do this, and it doesn't matter what's going on in my political life.

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At the first Deputies Committee meeting on Terrorism held in April 2001, Clarke strongly suggested that the U.S. put pressure on both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda by arming the Northern Alliance and other groups in Afghanistan. Simultaneously, that they target bin Laden and his leadership by reinitiating flights of the MQ-1 Predators. To which Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz responded, "Well, I just don't understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man bin Laden." Clarke replied that he was talking about bin Laden and his network because it posed "an immediate and serious threat to the United States." According to Clarke, Wolfowitz turned to him and said, "You give bin Laden too much credit. He could not do all these things like the 1993 attack on New York, not without a state sponsor. Just because FBI and CIA have failed to find the linkages does not mean they don't exist."[10]

 

[Serioususername]

And that would be on top of their other responsibilities, Hillary is expected to travel and converse with other nations, Obama is the damned president. They are not tasked only with keeping tabs on embassy threats and activities. I'm sure, somewhere FAR down the line there is someone with that task- probably a whole department.

People fail to realize that the United States isn't some family run operation with ten people running around to keep track of. This is a fucking massive operation, more so then any other nation in the world...more so then a couple of nations combined probably. Hillary can't know everything, ever, it's impossible- all it'd get us is a short turn around at her position from stress and exhaustion.