Hillary and the convention

[timmeh]

Off-shore drilling.

One example is enough to prove you wrong, and I'm too tired to list all the others.

Obama didn't flip-flop on offshore drilling, he said he's open to it as a last resort in a comprehensive energy plan.

Let's take a look at some of John McCain's flip-flops:
offshore drilling
iraq
tax cuts
social security
political reform
immigration
gay marriage
negotiating with Kim Jong Il not acceptable, until Bush did it..
negotiating with Fidel Castro
the estate tax
MLK day
teaching alternatives to evolution in school

 

[jillian]

you forgot reproductive choice.

and let's not forget how judicial review bad when it involves Gitmo...

but good when it involves guns.

 

[editec]

I don't think Obama comes close to Kennedy, and i don't think he ever could....he may end up being a good president, but not a kennedy or with kennedy type support.... I don't believe those 18- 25 year olds got Kennedy the nomination or the presidency....

Kennedy the candidate didn't come close to Kennedy the POTUS, either.

Soemthing happens in the minds of the people when somebody assumes the purple of POTUS.

Americans WANT to love their President.

 

[Charles_Main]

The only shift I can think of is public financing. Which does not have much to do with governing.

Really that is the only one? What about FISA, The DC gun Ban, Iraq, Talking to Iran, Drilling, Etc Etc. I could go on and On, but I am afraid I am wasting my time talking to a guy who is clearly completely biased. Anyone who thinks Obama has not made Many shifts in his positions since securing the Nomination is Nothing but a Partisan Hack.

 

[timmeh]

Really that is the only one? What about FISA, The DC gun Ban, Iraq, Talking to Iran, Drilling, Etc Etc. I could go on and On, but I am afraid I am wasting my time talking to a guy who is clearly completely biased. Anyone who thinks Obama has not made Many shifts in his positions since securing the Nomination is Nothing but a Partisan Hack.

Obama didn't flip-flop on drilling and he didn't even shift positions on Iraq.

Anyway, the same thing can be said about McCain. Both are professional flip-floppers, although McCain is winning that race right now by a mile.

 

[tulipinvestor]

I read they are also pushing for a public acknowledgement of sexism in the campaign

What a crock

Every candidate gets raked over the coals nowadays

Crying sexism is a pathetic defense mechanism that thank God the average voter will see right through

I despise Hillary, and I question HER qualifications to be President based on less than 2 terms in public office and all the sleaze in her and Bubba's past

I also am tired of the Bushes and the Clintons in total

Aren't there more than two families in the US that can produce a President?

 

[JZcrayZ]

Really that is the only one? What about FISA, The DC gun Ban, Iraq, Talking to Iran, Drilling, Etc Etc. I could go on and On, but I am afraid I am wasting my time talking to a guy who is clearly completely biased. Anyone who thinks Obama has not made Many shifts in his positions since securing the Nomination is Nothing but a Partisan Hack.

Obama as a presidential candidate did not support the DC gun ban. Only as a state legislator. FISA became a compromise bill, Obama always was against telecom immunity and tried to make an amendment. Obama has consistently remained prinicpled and nuanced, while McCain tossed his political principles out the window after a decade of being a maverick, in order to win his party's nomination. He then personally shredded any moral principles when he smeared Obama and attacked his character.

 

[chapstic]

Obama as a presidential candidate did not support the DC gun ban. Only as a state legislator. FISA became a compromise bill, Obama always was against telecom immunity and tried to make an amendment. Obama has consistently remained prinicpled and nuanced, while McCain tossed his political principles out the window after a decade of being a maverick, in order to win his party's nomination. He then personally shredded any moral principles when he smeared Obama and attacked his character.

how does your obamagazim feel? mine was amazing!

 

[editec]

jsanders retorts to somebody, but not to me, because he is responding to a quote that he doesn't attribute to anyone in particular..

No thanks. I'll take McCain anyday. McCain is a moderate leaning conservative. Hillary is a moderate leaning liberal. Obama is a liberal reaching really far to his left.

[/quote]

So you really are making the point I was making in my previous post, you know..

Given how much Hillary was neary universally laothed by people on the right, before Obama came on the scene, I find it extremely interesting that you decided to tell us the following...

Hillary is a moderate leaning liberal

I think the above is little more than this week Republican political posturing to be frank.

Nothing but this week's Republican talking point.

I KNOW that before Obama came on the scene that people of the rightist persuasion were calling Hillary a socialist liberal, and a radical feminist.

Now you expect us to believe that YOU BELIEVE that "she's a moderate leaning left" ????

I find it extemely hard to believe that you really think that.

In fact, I think if Hillary was the D candidate, you wouldn't characterize Hillary as:

"a moderate leaning left."​

that is, incidently what I think she is, too, but I am surprised that rightests are now finally willing to admit the truth about her.

Of course, if she becomes the VP candidate, then I expect you or someone like you will be back beating the RIGHTIST PROPAGANDA DRUM about what a radical socialist, feminest threat to the American way of life she is...exactly as the rightists have been doing to her for years and years.

 

[Ravi]

jsanders is a former Hillary supporter.

I would classify Hillary as a moderate leaning left.

 

[editec]

I read they are also pushing for a public acknowledgement of sexism in the campaign

What a crock

Every candidate gets raked over the coals nowadays

Crying sexism is a pathetic defense mechanism that thank God the average voter will see right through

I despise Hillary, and I question HER qualifications to be President based on less than 2 terms in public office and all the sleaze in her and Bubba's past

I also am tired of the Bushes and the Clintons in total

Aren't there more than two families in the US that can produce a President?

Great question.

One of the clear indications that the society has migrated to one that is no longer a meritocracy is nepotism in leadership.

Incidently, love the handle.

 

[Jon]

Of course, if she becomes the VP candidate, then I expect you or someone like you will be back beating the RIGHTIST PROPAGANDA DRUM about what a radical socialist, feminest threat to the American way of life she is...exactly as the rightists have been doing to her for years and years.

You obviously know nothing about who or what I support. So, your entire post is jibberish. I am not only not a Republican, but I'm also not a Democrat. I am now and always will be an Independent. Bipartisanship is what tears this country apart. It pains me to watch Hillary support Barack, knowing that McCain is her choice, simply because Barack is a Democrat. I wish all the moderates who are fed up with their parties bullshit would break free and form their own party. It's time for a change, and bipartisanship needs to go. Liberals can have their hippie candidate, conservatives can have their Bible thumper, let the normal people have a normal candidate.

 

[editec]

jsanders is a former Hillary supporter.

I would classify Hillary as a moderate leaning left.

I stand corrected.

sorry Jsanders, but the obvious neo-cons (on this board and in the media) who have suddenly changed their tune re: Hillary make me very skeptical about people telling me what they think she is and how if only she were the niominant they'd be voting for her.

Apparently in your case, that is true, although to be honest I cannot imagine how somebody moves from Hill to McCain given his current positions and the people he is appealing to now.

My apologies.

 

[Jon]

Apparently in your case, that is true, although to be honest I cannot imagine how somebody moves from Hill to McCain given his current positions and the people he is appealing to now.

Because I know McCain is doing what he has to do to get votes, just like Obama. But, when all is said and done, I know I stand closer to McCain than I do Obama.

Plus, Obama's a racist prick. So, I wouldn't vote for him even if he were runnin against Cheney. I'd just stay home.

 

[JZcrayZ]

You obviously know nothing about who or what I support. So, your entire post is jibberish. I am not only not a Republican, but I'm also not a Democrat. I am now and always will be an Independent. Bipartisanship is what tears this country apart. It pains me to watch Hillary support Barack, knowing that McCain is her choice, simply because Barack is a Democrat. I wish all the moderates who are fed up with their parties bullshit would break free and form their own party. It's time for a change, and bipartisanship needs to go. Liberals can have their hippie candidate, conservatives can have their Bible thumper, let the normal people have a normal candidate.

You think people from different parties working together is a bad thing?

 

[Jon]

Obviously, I mean partisanship. Way to avoid the subject by pointing out a typo.

 

[Care4all]

I read they are also pushing for a public acknowledgement of sexism in the campaign

What a crock

Every candidate gets raked over the coals nowadays

Crying sexism is a pathetic defense mechanism that thank God the average voter will see right through

I despise Hillary, and I question HER qualifications to be President based on less than 2 terms in public office and all the sleaze in her and Bubba's past

I also am tired of the Bushes and the Clintons in total

Aren't there more than two families in the US that can produce a President?

I believe there are about 10 families that most all of our presidents and vice presidents have come from.....sadly.

Clinton might have been one of the only presidents that was not related to these other 10 families, and even that, i am not certain about...

Even Obama is related to the Cheney family....

btw, there was a great deal of Sexism in the primary, to deny it, is being completely blind, imo.

care

 

[rachelluetle]

Please show me a silver linning, that has nothing to do with OBAMA, because I reject him and what has happened in the democratic party.

 

[dilloduck]

Please show me a silver linning, that has nothing to do with OBAMA, because I reject him and what has happened in the democratic party.

If elected he can only serve 8 years ???

Welcome to the board

 

[JZcrayZ]

Obviously, I mean partisanship. Way to avoid the subject by pointing out a typo.

I don't get what you're saying, Clinton's main arguement against Obama was that he was inexperience and that he was not the candidate best suited to win the election. Obviously since he won the primary, she is going to support him because they both hold the same principles in common. They are both progressive democrats. Their differences were highly exaggerated.

If someone such as yourself would take a 360 degree turn from supporting a progressive to supporting a neoconservative that only shows that you did not believe in Hillary's principles and you only supported her because you were strongly opposed to Obama.

You must have seen her cry before the NH primary. She was crying because she was afraid of what four more years of American Heritage Neo-Conservative policies would do to this nation. If you were such a strong supporter of hers, supporting McCain would be like kicking her in the throat until she cries. literally.