Higher voter turnout didn't work in Virginia

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Ever since Barack Obama swept into the White House on the strength of record turnout, it has been an article of faith among Democrats that the more people who vote, the better the party will fare.

When turnout sagged, during the 2010 and the 2014 midterm elections, Republicans won wave elections. In 2016, fewer people voted than in 2012 and Donald Trump won the presidency, shocking Democrats and turbocharging a more explicit Republican argument that making voting harder would make it easier for the GOP to win elections.

Then turnout jumped again in the Trump years — in Virginia four years ago, in special elections and in the 2018 midterms. Joe Biden ousted Trump in a national election with record-high turnout. Republicans spent the next year, in states they control, fighting to make it harder to vote and promoting lies that the 2020 turnout had been stocked with fraudulent Democratic votes.

How then to explain the election Tuesday in Virginia, where Glenn Youngkin, now the Republican governor-elect, beat former Gov. Terry McAuliffe in a contest in which at least 25% more votes were cast than in any governor’s race in the state’s history? (The number will go up; mail-in ballots postmarked by Election Day will be counted as long as they are received by Friday.)

Youngkin won the first governor’s race contested under new voting laws adopted by the Democratic majorities elected in 2019 to the state’s General Assembly.

Virginia Democrats and Gov. Ralph Northam repealed the state’s voter ID law, enacted 45 days of no-excuse absentee voting, made Election Day a state holiday and enacted automatic voter registration for anyone who receives a driver’s license in Virginia.

Making it easier to vote worked.

In this week’s election, McAuliffe won 200,000 votes more than Northam did when he won the 2017 election in a blowout. He won nearly 600,000 more votes than he did in 2013 when he beat Ken Cuccinelli to become governor. He beat his internal turnout targets in Northern Virginia, Richmond and the Norfolk area. Turnout was strong in Black precincts, college towns and the suburbs, all traditional areas of strength for Democratic candidates.

Yet Youngkin still got more votes, buoyed by turnout near presidential-election levels across rural Virginia and better than anticipated numbers in the outer suburbs of Washington. He won far more votes than McAuliffe’s team or virtually any of the public polling had anticipated.
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In some of the most important battleground states, like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, Cecil said, a majority of the voting-age public is white people without college degrees, a demographic that has been trending away from Democrats since 2008 and broke strongly against McAuliffe in Virginia, according to exit polling.

If turnout in the 2022 midterms spikes in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which both have Senate and governor’s races on the ballot, it may not necessarily benefit the Democratic candidates.
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In the current environment, when Republicans are furious with an increasingly unpopular Democratic president, if Democrats and the White House don’t figure out a way to turn their political fortunes around, it may not matter if Democratic candidates reach their turnout goals in the midterms.

Midterm elections over the past decade have hinged on whose voters are angrier. Right now, Democrats are arguing among themselves about legislation they’ve been negotiating for months, while Republicans have adopted a coded phrase as a stand-in to shout obscenities about Biden.

It’s not hard to predict which side’s voters will be more eager to turn out next year.



From what I can tell, the Democrats (some of them) are doubling down on their lavish spending, bigger gov't ways. The Far Left wants more, not less but the moderate Dems want less not more, and in view of what happened in Virginia and New Jersey their party looks to be headed for another shellacking. It'll be interesting to see how the primaries go next year for the Dems, will the progressives gain or lose seats? And will they lose their House majority in November? Right now I'd bet good money on that.
 
The democrats are just fine.

It's the fault of white women. White women are what got Younkin elected, so target them just like they do white men.

That and get black teachers in the schools to replace those white women so called democrats in the schools

See, I feel like I need to be getting paid to help democrats win next year.
 
Ever since Barack Obama swept into the White House on the strength of record turnout, it has been an article of faith among Democrats that the more people who vote, the better the party will fare.

When turnout sagged, during the 2010 and the 2014 midterm elections, Republicans won wave elections. In 2016, fewer people voted than in 2012 and Donald Trump won the presidency, shocking Democrats and turbocharging a more explicit Republican argument that making voting harder would make it easier for the GOP to win elections.

Then turnout jumped again in the Trump years — in Virginia four years ago, in special elections and in the 2018 midterms. Joe Biden ousted Trump in a national election with record-high turnout. Republicans spent the next year, in states they control, fighting to make it harder to vote and promoting lies that the 2020 turnout had been stocked with fraudulent Democratic votes.

How then to explain the election Tuesday in Virginia, where Glenn Youngkin, now the Republican governor-elect, beat former Gov. Terry McAuliffe in a contest in which at least 25% more votes were cast than in any governor’s race in the state’s history? (The number will go up; mail-in ballots postmarked by Election Day will be counted as long as they are received by Friday.)

Youngkin won the first governor’s race contested under new voting laws adopted by the Democratic majorities elected in 2019 to the state’s General Assembly.

Virginia Democrats and Gov. Ralph Northam repealed the state’s voter ID law, enacted 45 days of no-excuse absentee voting, made Election Day a state holiday and enacted automatic voter registration for anyone who receives a driver’s license in Virginia.

Making it easier to vote worked.

In this week’s election, McAuliffe won 200,000 votes more than Northam did when he won the 2017 election in a blowout. He won nearly 600,000 more votes than he did in 2013 when he beat Ken Cuccinelli to become governor. He beat his internal turnout targets in Northern Virginia, Richmond and the Norfolk area. Turnout was strong in Black precincts, college towns and the suburbs, all traditional areas of strength for Democratic candidates.

Yet Youngkin still got more votes, buoyed by turnout near presidential-election levels across rural Virginia and better than anticipated numbers in the outer suburbs of Washington. He won far more votes than McAuliffe’s team or virtually any of the public polling had anticipated.
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In some of the most important battleground states, like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, Cecil said, a majority of the voting-age public is white people without college degrees, a demographic that has been trending away from Democrats since 2008 and broke strongly against McAuliffe in Virginia, according to exit polling.

If turnout in the 2022 midterms spikes in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which both have Senate and governor’s races on the ballot, it may not necessarily benefit the Democratic candidates.
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In the current environment, when Republicans are furious with an increasingly unpopular Democratic president, if Democrats and the White House don’t figure out a way to turn their political fortunes around, it may not matter if Democratic candidates reach their turnout goals in the midterms.

Midterm elections over the past decade have hinged on whose voters are angrier. Right now, Democrats are arguing among themselves about legislation they’ve been negotiating for months, while Republicans have adopted a coded phrase as a stand-in to shout obscenities about Biden.

It’s not hard to predict which side’s voters will be more eager to turn out next year.



From what I can tell, the Democrats (some of them) are doubling down on their lavish spending, bigger gov't ways. The Far Left wants more, not less but the moderate Dems want less not more, and in view of what happened in Virginia and New Jersey their party looks to be headed for another shellacking. It'll be interesting to see how the primaries go next year for the Dems, will the progressives gain or lose seats? And will they lose their House majority in November? Right now I'd bet good money on that.
So..you should have no problem with mail-in voting then. Apparently, Republicans CAN still win elections. You got nothing to worry about. :)
 
So..you should have no problem with mail-in voting then. Apparently, Republicans CAN still win elections. You got nothing to worry about. :)

You're right, I got nothing to worry about as long as the Far Left remains in charge of their Party and they continue to push their ridiculous Far Left agenda. I do still have a problem with mail-in voting though, the opportunities for fraud are just too high IMHO.
 
You're right, I got nothing to worry about as long as the Far Left remains in charge of their Party and they continue to push their ridiculous Far Left agenda. I do still have a problem with mail-in voting though, the opportunities for fraud are just too high IMHO.
Yep. Thought so. If you win, you're confident. If you lose, it was fraud. Predictable.
Mail in voting has been used by states and the military successfully without incident for decades.

It was just when your savior lost it became a problem. :)
 
Yeah that's right, high voter turnout don't mean crap. The problem for democrats is the high voter turnout this go-round consisted of pissed off citizens who cared about their children's welfare and saw a democrat candidate who did nothing but blather about Trump.
 
You're right, I got nothing to worry about as long as the Far Left remains in charge of their Party and they continue to push their ridiculous Far Left agenda. I do still have a problem with mail-in voting though, the opportunities for fraud are just too high IMHO.

There have never been any significant incidents of mail ballot fraud. It's largely speculation. A handful of states are completely mail in now and their elections have had no issues.
 
There have never been any significant incidents of mail ballot fraud. It's largely speculation. A handful of states are completely mail in now and their elections have had no issues.

Really? What about Arizona's audit? And what's going on in Wisconsin? From what I've heard there was some significant fraud going on. Need I remind everyone how close the vote was that elected Al Franken in Minnesota some 12 years ago? He was the 60th vote that got us ObamaCare, and that was pretty significant. They found a bunch of ballots in the trunk of somebody's car and they were all for Franken, but there was no fraud? True, it was/is speculation but that doesn't make it false. And I think the Arizona audit is more than speculation that mail-in fraud did occur. Possibly those states that are all mail-in haven't really looked into the question of fraud? It's not surprising if no fraud issues are found if no one bothers to look for it, or if the evidence of such is destroyed.
 
Really? What about Arizona's audit? And what's going on in Wisconsin? From what I've heard there was some significant fraud going on. Need I remind everyone how close the vote was that elected Al Franken in Minnesota some 12 years ago? He was the 60th vote that got us ObamaCare, and that was pretty significant. They found a bunch of ballots in the trunk of somebody's car and they were all for Franken, but there was no fraud? True, it was/is speculation but that doesn't make it false. And I think the Arizona audit is more than speculation that mail-in fraud did occur. Possibly those states that are all mail-in haven't really looked into the question of fraud? It's not surprising if no fraud issues are found if no one bothers to look for it, or if the evidence of such is destroyed.

Can you prove those allegations you have made? Mail ins in the boot? Really?
 
There have never been any significant incidents of mail ballot fraud. It's largely speculation. A handful of states are completely mail in now and their elections have had no issues.




The only reason why you can make this claim is because no one in power has ever wanted to investigate. In fact, they have done everything in their power to obstruct a real investigation.
 
The only reason why you can make this claim is because no one in power has ever wanted to investigate. In fact, they have done everything in their power to obstruct a real investigation.

That's because there is nothing to investigate.
 
High voter turnout DID work out! We had a massive number of Republicans turn out, and that, combined with the independents turned off by the the sharp leftist turn, gave us a win.
 
This coming from a guy who lives in a state (Nevada) that has only ONE full time person that investigates voter fraud!

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True story!!



Yup, Clark county is KNOWN for vote fraud.
 
So..you should have no problem with mail-in voting then. Apparently, Republicans CAN still win elections. You got nothing to worry about. :)
the issues people have with mail in voting isn’t related to voter turnout

frankly, what the turn out in VA shows is that VA voting laws should be the model for the country
 
Yeah that's right, high voter turnout don't mean crap. The problem for democrats is the high voter turnout this go-round consisted of pissed off citizens who cared about their children's welfare and saw a democrat candidate who did nothing but blather about Trump.
Sorta true.

Trumpers are still pissed about the "stolen election" and then there's that whole bogus "CRT" nonsense

Dems need to realize that turn out matters in EVERY election.

They win when they turn out. Republicans did...Dems didn't...this time
 

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