Hello! I am The Progressive Patriot!

[Ringel05]

Getting a good laugh out of this thread. A big thank you to all the participants........!

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Welcome, ProgressivePatriot!

Thank you!

 

[Iceweasel]

Not at all. I also said you were not a patriot.
Reread that, please. I said you do want to transform this country.

Ooops. My bad. OK, you say patriots do not endeavor to transform their countries. I explained why I believe that is exactly what patriots do when their country needs transforming. Stagnation is not patriotism by any means.

You're an idiot. You think you are in a position to dictate what needs changing and define patriotism based on it. That's a special kind of stupid and we had enough retards before you showed up.

Look here Weasel, You are misrepresenting me with your equine excrement. Where did I say that I want to unilaterally dictate what needs changing? There are many things that we, as a nation can agree on. Anyone who thinks that the country is perfect, that there is no room for improvement is a special kind of idiot who has his head where the sun don't shine. Would that be you?

I quoted your post, Bozo.

"I explained why I believe that is exactly what patriots do when their country needs transforming."

Who decides what needs changing, what if someone disagrees with you? You decide and label that person a patriot. Like I said, a special kind of stupid, the excrement is all yours.

This is a republic, if you can't figure out how things are supposed to change or stay the same that's your problem.

What are you blathering about, dude? Do you even know? I am well aware of the fact that this is a constitutional republic and how things work. Read my original post again and try to articulate exactly what part of it you don't get or don't understand.

I did, try reading the posts. Most idiotic introduction ever. You don't decide shit for anybody else, you are in no position to dictate what patriotism means.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Ooops. My bad. OK, you say patriots do not endeavor to transform their countries. I explained why I believe that is exactly what patriots do when their country needs transforming. Stagnation is not patriotism by any means.

You're an idiot. You think you are in a position to dictate what needs changing and define patriotism based on it. That's a special kind of stupid and we had enough retards before you showed up.

Look here Weasel, You are misrepresenting me with your equine excrement. Where did I say that I want to unilaterally dictate what needs changing? There are many things that we, as a nation can agree on. Anyone who thinks that the country is perfect, that there is no room for improvement is a special kind of idiot who has his head where the sun don't shine. Would that be you?

I quoted your post, Bozo.

"I explained why I believe that is exactly what patriots do when their country needs transforming."

Who decides what needs changing, what if someone disagrees with you? You decide and label that person a patriot. Like I said, a special kind of stupid, the excrement is all yours.

This is a republic, if you can't figure out how things are supposed to change or stay the same that's your problem.

What are you blathering about, dude? Do you even know? I am well aware of the fact that this is a constitutional republic and how things work. Read my original post again and try to articulate exactly what part of it you don't get or don't understand.

I did, try reading the posts. Most idiotic introduction ever. You don't decide shit for anybody else, you are in no position to dictate what patriotism means.

I've read your postings, neither are you.

 

[Iceweasel]

You're an idiot. You think you are in a position to dictate what needs changing and define patriotism based on it. That's a special kind of stupid and we had enough retards before you showed up.

Look here Weasel, You are misrepresenting me with your equine excrement. Where did I say that I want to unilaterally dictate what needs changing? There are many things that we, as a nation can agree on. Anyone who thinks that the country is perfect, that there is no room for improvement is a special kind of idiot who has his head where the sun don't shine. Would that be you?

I quoted your post, Bozo.

"I explained why I believe that is exactly what patriots do when their country needs transforming."

Who decides what needs changing, what if someone disagrees with you? You decide and label that person a patriot. Like I said, a special kind of stupid, the excrement is all yours.

This is a republic, if you can't figure out how things are supposed to change or stay the same that's your problem.

What are you blathering about, dude? Do you even know? I am well aware of the fact that this is a constitutional republic and how things work. Read my original post again and try to articulate exactly what part of it you don't get or don't understand.

I did, try reading the posts. Most idiotic introduction ever. You don't decide shit for anybody else, you are in no position to dictate what patriotism means.

I've read your postings, neither are you.

Since I haven't that means you are full of shit. As usual.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Look here Weasel, You are misrepresenting me with your equine excrement. Where did I say that I want to unilaterally dictate what needs changing? There are many things that we, as a nation can agree on. Anyone who thinks that the country is perfect, that there is no room for improvement is a special kind of idiot who has his head where the sun don't shine. Would that be you?

I quoted your post, Bozo.

"I explained why I believe that is exactly what patriots do when their country needs transforming."

Who decides what needs changing, what if someone disagrees with you? You decide and label that person a patriot. Like I said, a special kind of stupid, the excrement is all yours.

This is a republic, if you can't figure out how things are supposed to change or stay the same that's your problem.

What are you blathering about, dude? Do you even know? I am well aware of the fact that this is a constitutional republic and how things work. Read my original post again and try to articulate exactly what part of it you don't get or don't understand.

I did, try reading the posts. Most idiotic introduction ever. You don't decide shit for anybody else, you are in no position to dictate what patriotism means.

I've read your postings, neither are you.

Since I haven't that means you are full of shit. As usual.

Good, because you're in no position to dictate what patriotism means.

 

[Iceweasel]

I quoted your post, Bozo.

"I explained why I believe that is exactly what patriots do when their country needs transforming."

Who decides what needs changing, what if someone disagrees with you? You decide and label that person a patriot. Like I said, a special kind of stupid, the excrement is all yours.

This is a republic, if you can't figure out how things are supposed to change or stay the same that's your problem.

What are you blathering about, dude? Do you even know? I am well aware of the fact that this is a constitutional republic and how things work. Read my original post again and try to articulate exactly what part of it you don't get or don't understand.

I did, try reading the posts. Most idiotic introduction ever. You don't decide shit for anybody else, you are in no position to dictate what patriotism means.

I've read your postings, neither are you.

Since I haven't that means you are full of shit. As usual.

Good, because you're in no position to dictate what patriotism means.

Are you menstruating or something?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Ooops. My bad. OK, you say patriots do not endeavor to transform their countries. I explained why I believe that is exactly what patriots do when their country needs transforming. Stagnation is not patriotism by any means.

You're an idiot. You think you are in a position to dictate what needs changing and define patriotism based on it. That's a special kind of stupid and we had enough retards before you showed up.

Look here Weasel, You are misrepresenting me with your equine excrement. Where did I say that I want to unilaterally dictate what needs changing? There are many things that we, as a nation can agree on. Anyone who thinks that the country is perfect, that there is no room for improvement is a special kind of idiot who has his head where the sun don't shine. Would that be you?

I quoted your post, Bozo.

"I explained why I believe that is exactly what patriots do when their country needs transforming."

Who decides what needs changing, what if someone disagrees with you? You decide and label that person a patriot. Like I said, a special kind of stupid, the excrement is all yours.

This is a republic, if you can't figure out how things are supposed to change or stay the same that's your problem.

What are you blathering about, dude? Do you even know? I am well aware of the fact that this is a constitutional republic and how things work. Read my original post again and try to articulate exactly what part of it you don't get or don't understand.

I did, try reading the posts. Most idiotic introduction ever. You don't decide shit for anybody else, you are in no position to dictate what patriotism means.

You may have read it but it's apparent that you did not understand it. I am not saying that I alone should be able decide anything for anybody. There are two word that you and the rest of your right wing ilk need to learn. " Inclusiveness" and "equality" There is considerable consensus among rational people that those are desirable goals. Striving for that is in fact patriotism and YOU are in no position to say that it is not.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

What are you blathering about, dude? Do you even know? I am well aware of the fact that this is a constitutional republic and how things work. Read my original post again and try to articulate exactly what part of it you don't get or don't understand.

I did, try reading the posts. Most idiotic introduction ever. You don't decide shit for anybody else, you are in no position to dictate what patriotism means.

I've read your postings, neither are you.

Since I haven't that means you are full of shit. As usual.

Good, because you're in no position to dictate what patriotism means.

Are you menstruating or something?

It's very telling that you can't seem to deal with anyone who you are at odds with without immediately resorting to snide and derogatory comments and name calling. It speaks to your level of intellectual and emotion functioning, or more accurately, your level of disfunction

 

[Mertex]

Progressives patriot is like Peaceful Jihadists.

May be why so many conservatives call themselves "Patriots" - although they are "regressive"?

 

[emilynghiem]

Good day ladies and gentlemen. I chose my name, the Progressive Patriot because to many conservatives seem to believe that they, and only they have the right to the mantle of “patriot.” In fact I’ve been told that it is an oxymoron.

I, however, I believe that progressives are the true patriots because of the fact that we have a vision of this country being truly great in all ways for all of our people I want America to be respected in the world as a leader in science, diplomacy, education, environmental protection and the evolving standards of human rights. I this to be a great and just country for all people, Not just the rich, not just the native born and white people, not just for heterosexuals, not just for Christians, and not just for males. FOR ALL PEOPLE. Patriotism is progress and progress is patriotism

At the time of the founding of our nation, at the time of the American Revolution, the rebels were known as the patriots. Those patriots were not content with the status quo. They wanted to move ahead, they sought to build a nation based on the ideal of freedom and democracy. Yes, they sought to throw off the yoke of an oppressive government , and yes, conservatives today-those who call themselves “patriots”-also seek to limit the influence of what they see as an oppressive government.

However, I will submit to you that today’s source of oppression is perpetrated, not by government per se, but by those forces within government as well as outside of government who seek to thwart progress, and worse, undue much of what has been accomplished in areas such as labor, civil rights, education, science and the environment. Patriotism is progress. Progress is patriotism.

Hey! Aren't you just in time!
I was just berating a friend of mine on here
for saying I was aligning too much with the rightwing
for my Constitutional views. I ranted out a long msg
about why can't I be a liberal progressive prochoice Democrat
AND a Constitutionalist AND include left and right interests equally?

And here you are, another Progressive and hopefully Constitutionalist.

I hate being the only one as if only Conservative Christian Republicans
have a monopoly on Constitutional law and authority to check govt.

Thanks for joining in and may we see
a successful peaceful reformation of our
govt, economy and society by working together
on effective sustainable solutions that meet
the standards of ALL parties, not just our own.

Why can we all unite on Constitutional values
and use that as the umbrella to house all the other
beliefs and visions we have collectively.

Why can't we have unity and diversity both, without compromising either one?

Thank you again!
Enjoy your stay and I hope you will be
one of those leading the people through
the next stages of political reforms
through Constitutional education and outreach.

May the Spirit of the Laws find rebirth
and unite all of us in our diverse roles
and contributions to fulfill America's legacy.

Yours truly,
Emily

Emily Nghiem
National Freedmen's Town District
http://www.freedmentown.com
ethics-commission.net
Earned Amnesty

Fun media projects for Constitutional educational outreach:
music video for Sustainable Campus converting sweatshop labor to workstudy jobs
Civil Rap
What Does the Law Say
Rules Don t Apply Equal Inclusion Music Video Contest
http www.houstonprogressive.org
http www.houstonprogressive.org

 

[emilynghiem]

Well, you can't be both.

You are either a Communist OR a Patriot.

Excuse me, please, but the couple who
successfully sued the City of Tomball for violating 14th Amendment and civil rights laws regarding discrimination
ARE self-proclaimed Marxists.

They just don't go around IMPOSING their views on anyone else
but respect the equal choice of beliefs of others. that doesn't mean you can't
still be Communist, Socialist, Marxist, Anarchist or whatever.

Their beliefs as Marxists did not stop them from using Constitutional laws and process
to correct an unconstitutional problem.

The city they sued had allowed the KKK to use a public facility for an event that unlawfully excluded
members of the public on the basis of race. So this policy was successfully corrected going
through the process by lawsuit, arguing that public facilities could not be used to discriminate.

You can be an anarchist, communist, left or right activist, and
still respect Constitutional laws, principles and process.

If you are so selfish or so self-righteous to think that your beliefs are the
ONE RIGHT WAY for ALL people that they should be imposed by govt,
well, welcome to the human race. Why do you think Constitutional
limits were set up -- because people will try to hijack govt and start imposing
their own agenda. Big fat duh!

So, Yes, there are people who ABUSE this process,
and thus if you put PARTY interests or Political BELIEF
BEFORE the Constitution, this violates Constitutional laws and ethics.
It is a violation of the very laws or authority being invoked.

It is contradictory for ANY person of ANY party to abuse govt
to impose POLITICAL BELIEFS in violation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments.

We see this all the time, on both left and right, but
* people only complain when the OTHER side does it
* or people can't complain when they expect to benefit from the same practice of political bullying
* and some people give up trying to stop it like trying to end war when it seems hopeless
All the more reason we should stop this political bullying by forcing one set of beliefs
down the next person's throat. We all know we don't want that done to us, WHY do we insist on
cheering on when someone does it to someone else. Are we really unable to operate any other way?

The Constitutional protections, respect and Inclusion of ALL people and ALL groups of all beliefs
must come first, and then all other beliefs can be included equally under that Umbrella
with no need to impose on each other. We can use our "free speech and press"
"right to petition and due process" to resolve any conflict, grievance or objection that arises.
We do not need to resort to bulldozing each other over every fault for political points.
Why not correct the problems so that we all benefit from long term solutions.
Are we even thinking about what is sustainable, and how we expect to solve
all the problems and debts we face WITHOUT working together, with teams to cover
all the ground that this entails to fix everything with our economy, govt and social systems.

You CAN be a Constitutionalist AND any other label or group, religious or political,
that is equally protected under free exercise of religion and equal protection
from discrimination on the basis of CREED.

The key is not to violate the same rights and beliefs of OTHERS,
and that is where putting the Constitution first is so important.

 

[emilynghiem]

Care to explain that??

A patriot is one who supports and defends the Constitution of the United States.

A "progressive" AK Communist, seeks to eradicate the Constitution, starting with the bill of rights, and establish a totalitarian kleptocracy to make a "fair" system where all peasants have equal poverty.

You can be one or the other - no both. As has been pointed out by others to you, it is an oxymoron.

You can be a Constitutionalist first and a Communist second.
You can be a Constitutioanlist first and a Progressive second.

This is like saying you can be a Christian first, and a Catholic or Baptist second.
or a Christian first and a Unitarian second, or even a Buddhist or Muslim.

The Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans and Unitarians may not agree with each other
over the Trinity, Baptism or Communion, etc.

But if they put the central faith first, and their individual rituals and practices second,
then their individual labels and denominational difference do not have to stand in the way
of being united in Christ on the central policies that count so they can operate in unison.

Uncensored2008 what I might say
is you cannot say you defend equal Constitutional rights for all people including free exercise of
BELIEF, "due process of the law" (ie innocence until proven guilty)
and equal protection of the laws from discrimination by CREED,
but then go around and violate DUE PROCESS by condemning, punishing and excluding people
in advance, based on a label, before proving what that person did wrong.

To do so would be invoking such "due process" for oneself, and equal protection of one's own beliefs and creed, while seeking to demolish the same rights of someone else based on your opinion of their beliefs. How does YOUR opinion of someone's label make THEM guilty of what YOU associate with that group? If our govt operated that way, and found us "guilty by association" we'd yell and scream. So why are we content to do this to our neighbor, when we would not want to be judged by the OPINION of someone else.

We have too much of this destructive counterproductive behavior going on in the name of politics. If we are going to enforce Constitutional laws,
and hold Govt accountable for "due process and equal protections"
shouldn't we start with ourselves and make sure we respect the same standard principles.

see also ethics-commission.net

 

[hjmick]

I'm not sure how I missed this intro OP but...

 

[Statistikhengst]

This is a pretty lively introduction thread....

 

[percysunshine]

This is a pretty lively introduction thread....

.
I think the newbie needs a clown face.

Can you help him with that Stat?

.

 

[Statistikhengst]

This is a pretty lively introduction thread....

.
I think the newbie needs a clown face.

Can you help him with that Stat?

.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Care to explain that??

A patriot is one who supports and defends the Constitution of the United States.

A "progressive" AK Communist, seeks to eradicate the Constitution, starting with the bill of rights, and establish a totalitarian kleptocracy to make a "fair" system where all peasants have equal poverty.

You can be one or the other - no both. As has been pointed out by others to you, it is an oxymoron.

You can be a Constitutionalist first and a Communist second.
You can be a Constitutioanlist first and a Progressive second.

This is like saying you can be a Christian first, and a Catholic or Baptist second.
or a Christian first and a Unitarian second, or even a Buddhist or Muslim.

The Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans and Unitarians may not agree with each other
over the Trinity, Baptism or Communion, etc.

But if they put the central faith first, and their individual rituals and practices second,
then their individual labels and denominational difference do not have to stand in the way
of being united in Christ on the central policies that count so they can operate in unison.

Uncensored2008 what I might say
is you cannot say you defend equal Constitutional rights for all people including free exercise of
BELIEF, "due process of the law" (ie innocence until proven guilty)
and equal protection of the laws from discrimination by CREED,
but then go around and violate DUE PROCESS by condemning, punishing and excluding people
in advance, based on a label, before proving what that person did wrong.

To do so would be invoking such "due process" for oneself, and equal protection of one's own beliefs and creed, while seeking to demolish the same rights of someone else based on your opinion of their beliefs. How does YOUR opinion of someone's label make THEM guilty of what YOU associate with that group? If our govt operated that way, and found us "guilty by association" we'd yell and scream. So why are we content to do this to our neighbor, when we would not want to be judged by the OPINION of someone else.

We have too much of this destructive counterproductive behavior going on in the name of politics. If we are going to enforce Constitutional laws,
and hold Govt accountable for "due process and equal protections"
shouldn't we start with ourselves and make sure we respect the same standard principles.

see also ethics-commission.net

I must say , you have added another, much needed intellectual level to this board! I'm just now getting around to reading and absorbing your excellent writing. Many people here, including myself can learn something from you. Unfortunately, certain people who need to learn the most, wont read it, will dismiss it as nonsense, or simply wont understand it. Thank you for being here.!

 

[emilynghiem]

Care to explain that??

A patriot is one who supports and defends the Constitution of the United States.

A "progressive" AK Communist, seeks to eradicate the Constitution, starting with the bill of rights, and establish a totalitarian kleptocracy to make a "fair" system where all peasants have equal poverty.

You can be one or the other - no both. As has been pointed out by others to you, it is an oxymoron.

You can be a Constitutionalist first and a Communist second.
You can be a Constitutioanlist first and a Progressive second.

This is like saying you can be a Christian first, and a Catholic or Baptist second.
or a Christian first and a Unitarian second, or even a Buddhist or Muslim.

The Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans and Unitarians may not agree with each other
over the Trinity, Baptism or Communion, etc.

But if they put the central faith first, and their individual rituals and practices second,
then their individual labels and denominational difference do not have to stand in the way
of being united in Christ on the central policies that count so they can operate in unison.

Uncensored2008 what I might say
is you cannot say you defend equal Constitutional rights for all people including free exercise of
BELIEF, "due process of the law" (ie innocence until proven guilty)
and equal protection of the laws from discrimination by CREED,
but then go around and violate DUE PROCESS by condemning, punishing and excluding people
in advance, based on a label, before proving what that person did wrong.

To do so would be invoking such "due process" for oneself, and equal protection of one's own beliefs and creed, while seeking to demolish the same rights of someone else based on your opinion of their beliefs. How does YOUR opinion of someone's label make THEM guilty of what YOU associate with that group? If our govt operated that way, and found us "guilty by association" we'd yell and scream. So why are we content to do this to our neighbor, when we would not want to be judged by the OPINION of someone else.

We have too much of this destructive counterproductive behavior going on in the name of politics. If we are going to enforce Constitutional laws,
and hold Govt accountable for "due process and equal protections"
shouldn't we start with ourselves and make sure we respect the same standard principles.

see also ethics-commission.net

I must say , you have added another, much needed intellectual level to this board! I'm just now getting around to reading and absorbing your excellent writing. Many people here, including myself can learn something from you. Unfortunately, certain people who need to learn the most, wont read it, will dismiss it as nonsense, or simply wont understand it. Thank you for being here.!

Thank YOU
Now that there's a pair of us
don't tell
They banish us, you know!
Ha ha wisdom from Emily Dickinson

JK I am not denying you couldn't turn out to be a total fascist commie, the same way I've been pegged as a nazi bigot; it's just that so many ppl have worked so hard to destroy the country by imposing their beliefs as mandates, why give you all the credit for damage done by others?

Not fair. You should at least prove what harm you've inflicted before earning any such reputation!

Ppbbffftt Enjoy yourself here. Feel free to criticize and correct me if you think I'm going too far left or right and not staying centered where all paths agree.

I can list for you the ppl here who can handle political diversity and the ones who can't, where you have to stay within their bounds or they go on the attack. Some ppl are not "bilingual" on here and can only speak rightwing or leftwing or they feel attacked and use namecalling and bullying to enforce their borders. If you can try not to take it personally, you can focus on ppl who arent so territorial and learn ALOT from ppl here. And in return I look forward to reading how you approach things and learn from you -- how to be a better leftwing Constitutional Nazi !

The Mods are generally reasonable and cool, too. Welcome aboard and go for it!

If you get stuck unable to explain what you mean to someone making assumptions and projecting on you, PM me the msg or tag me with @ and I can try to help straighten out the language barrier. Either that or get us both labeled some new name for whatever we are!

People here are generally workable with, even the ones deadset in their views who go on the attack to defend them. I find if we take the time and effort to finish talking out where the conflicts are really coming from, even if it takes other ppl stepping in, I believe consensus is possible by establishing true respect first, then any issues can be worked through instead of creating a political traffic jam, then yelling and screaming in road rage.

Thanks in advance for your contributions here.
We need more people to have full discussions in detail,
to sort out what are beliefs that won't change from perceptions
and information that can be changed, and not use shortcuts
like insults or bullying to cut the exchange short.

Change is going to take real deep internal work
before we quit projecting outside ourselves and make
huge political messes over differences we should not be afraid to confront.

Thank you TheProgressivePatriot
Hats off to you for reaching out and seeking
to build bridges on common ground
instead of more defensive walls for hiding behind.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You can be a Constitutionalist first and a Communist second.

I don't agree. The left is dedicated to top down control of the populace and the economy in the pursuit of "fairness." This is in direct conflict to the US Constitution and the guarantees of individual liberty.

You can be a Constitutioanlist first and a Progressive second.

This is like saying you can be a Christian first, and a Catholic or Baptist second.
or a Christian first and a Unitarian second, or even a Buddhist or Muslim.

The Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans and Unitarians may not agree with each other
over the Trinity, Baptism or Communion, etc.

But if they put the central faith first, and their individual rituals and practices second,
then their individual labels and denominational difference do not have to stand in the way
of being united in Christ on the central policies that count so they can operate in unison.

Uncensored2008 what I might say
is you cannot say you defend equal Constitutional rights for all people including free exercise of
BELIEF, "due process of the law" (ie innocence until proven guilty)
and equal protection of the laws from discrimination by CREED,
but then go around and violate DUE PROCESS by condemning, punishing and excluding people
in advance, based on a label, before proving what that person did wrong.

To do so would be invoking such "due process" for oneself, and equal protection of one's own beliefs and creed, while seeking to demolish the same rights of someone else based on your opinion of their beliefs. How does YOUR opinion of someone's label make THEM guilty of what YOU associate with that group? If our govt operated that way, and found us "guilty by association" we'd yell and scream. So why are we content to do this to our neighbor, when we would not want to be judged by the OPINION of someone else.

We have too much of this destructive counterproductive behavior going on in the name of politics. If we are going to enforce Constitutional laws,
and hold Govt accountable for "due process and equal protections"
shouldn't we start with ourselves and make sure we respect the same standard principles.

see also ethics-commission.net

In a free society, people are free from discrimination BY THE GOVERNMENT. Where we go astray is when we dictate the thoughts and actions of individuals. I have no right to tell you who to like, who to make friends with. Free people decide who they will associate with and conduct business with.