TheProgressivePatriot
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You can be a Constitutionalist first and a Communist second.
I don't agree. The left is dedicated to top down control of the populace and the economy in the pursuit of "fairness." This is in direct conflict to the US Constitution and the guarantees of individual liberty.
You can be a Constitutioanlist first and a Progressive second.
This is like saying you can be a Christian first, and a Catholic or Baptist second.
or a Christian first and a Unitarian second, or even a Buddhist or Muslim.
The Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans and Unitarians may not agree with each other
over the Trinity, Baptism or Communion, etc.
But if they put the central faith first, and their individual rituals and practices second,
then their individual labels and denominational difference do not have to stand in the way
of being united in Christ on the central policies that count so they can operate in unison.
Uncensored2008 what I might say
is you cannot say you defend equal Constitutional rights for all people including free exercise of
BELIEF, "due process of the law" (ie innocence until proven guilty)
and equal protection of the laws from discrimination by CREED,
but then go around and violate DUE PROCESS by condemning, punishing and excluding people
in advance, based on a label, before proving what that person did wrong.
To do so would be invoking such "due process" for oneself, and equal protection of one's own beliefs and creed, while seeking to demolish the same rights of someone else based on your opinion of their beliefs. How does YOUR opinion of someone's label make THEM guilty of what YOU associate with that group? If our govt operated that way, and found us "guilty by association" we'd yell and scream. So why are we content to do this to our neighbor, when we would not want to be judged by the OPINION of someone else.
We have too much of this destructive counterproductive behavior going on in the name of politics. If we are going to enforce Constitutional laws,
and hold Govt accountable for "due process and equal protections"
shouldn't we start with ourselves and make sure we respect the same standard principles.
see also ethics-commission.net
In a free society, people are free from discrimination BY THE GOVERNMENT. Where we go astray is when we dictate the thoughts and actions of individuals. I have no right to tell you who to like, who to make friends with. Free people decide who they will associate with and conduct business with.
Just because you seem to have some ability to string words together and for a sentence, it does not mean that it makes any sense. Top down control? Really. That would only be true if, by top down control you mean all forms of government regulation of business and finances, all environmental regulation, all civil rights and hate crimes legislation and all social entitlement programs. Am I right? Admit it. That is what you want. To do away with all of that. Basically anarchy. No government at all.
And if we did have, THEN we would have real top down control. Top down control of the economy by the corporation Top down control of the government by the wealthy who will sure as shit own it .And top down control of morality by the religious right.
THINK ABOUT what you are advocating. Government for and by the rich straight white people. How the hell is that constitutional?
As far as individual freedom goes, where the hell does that constitutional say that anyone has unlimited, unconditional freedom to do whatever they want, whenever they want and to whoever they want with no accountability. Now what you’re advocating is beyond anarchy. It’s not even civilization. Even primitive societies have, at minimum, social and cultural controls, as well as tribal rules and customs. You sound like a two year old who just wants to have what you want, when you want it and consequences be damned and to hell with anyone who comes out on the short end. Anyone who wants that is just stupid, and anyone who does not believe that it would happen if government there to prevent it is even more stupid..
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