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I was wondering if any of your political views have been altered by discourse on this forum? If anything, mine are recalcitrant. I am clearing my rather large ignore list for this one - so let the neg reps fly; here is your chance.
I'm interested if any assertions, or articulations have altered anyones perspective through this forum. Sometimes an argument can compel someone to rethink their position on a topic/political belief, and after further insight one may evolve their belief, and actually reverse it. Progresssives, and conservatives are diametrically opposed, so I would not expect that they would even consider the other's points, but there are many topics that are possible to persuasion to the middle, and beyond. has that happened here?I was wondering if any of your political views have been altered by discourse on this forum? If anything, mine are recalcitrant. I am clearing my rather large ignore list for this one - so let the neg reps fly; here is your chance.
I f you mean even more steadfast and convinced in my belief that progressives are loons?Then yes.
I think in most cases people need to experience something that changes THEIR lives in order to change long held beliefs.
My political beliefs have definitely changed over the last six or seven years. But it had nothing to do with being convinced of something by someone else.
I'm interested if any assertions, or articulations have altered anyones perspective through this forum. Sometimes an argument can compel someone to rethink their position on a topic/political belief, and after further insight one may evolve their belief, and actually reverse it. Progresssives, and conservatives are diametrically opposed, so I would not expect that they would even consider the other's points, but there are many topics that are possible to persuasion to the middle, and beyond. has that happened here?I was wondering if any of your political views have been altered by discourse on this forum? If anything, mine are recalcitrant. I am clearing my rather large ignore list for this one - so let the neg reps fly; here is your chance.
I f you mean even more steadfast and convinced in my belief that progressives are loons?Then yes.
I think in most cases people need to experience something that changes THEIR lives in order to change long held beliefs.
My political beliefs have definitely changed over the last six or seven years. But it had nothing to do with being convinced of something by someone else.
I appreciate that.I'm interested if any assertions, or articulations have altered anyones perspective through this forum. Sometimes an argument can compel someone to rethink their position on a topic/political belief, and after further insight one may evolve their belief, and actually reverse it. Progresssives, and conservatives are diametrically opposed, so I would not expect that they would even consider the other's points, but there are many topics that are possible to persuasion to the middle, and beyond. has that happened here?I f you mean even more steadfast and convinced in my belief that progressives are loons?Then yes.
I think in most cases people need to experience something that changes THEIR lives in order to change long held beliefs.
My political beliefs have definitely changed over the last six or seven years. But it had nothing to do with being convinced of something by someone else.
I will say they may have made me look at something in a slightly different way.
Or they may have pointed out a side of something I hadn't considered.
But no,nothing that would change my overall view.
There is no shortfall in people who want to serve. having been a Marine, I would say that gays should be in all gay units as they make many others uncomfortable. One needs to focus on the mission, and not on a fellow soilders intentions.Not on this board, although researching and arguing a position often strengthens it.
On another board, I became friends with a former Marine who left the service because he was gay. Other Marines he'd served with were on the same board, and confirmed that he was a good Marine and good at his MOS (radiocryptography, I believe). [MENTION=19762]asaratis[/MENTION] is one of those Marines and can confirm.
Until then, I was a firm supporter of DADT. But talking with John -- and I've told him this -- made me realize that people who want to serve, and are capable of serving this nation, can and should.
I'm glad DADT was repealed. I believe the trained and experienced troops retained can only further strengthen the military.
That same argument was made for blacks and women. Both are successfully integrated now. I see no reason why open gays cannot serve alongside straights. Besides -- some folks we just KNEW were gay. We worked with them anyway.There is no shortfall in people who want to serve. having been a Marine, I would say that gays should be in all gay units as they make many others uncomfortable.Not on this board, although researching and arguing a position often strengthens it.
On another board, I became friends with a former Marine who left the service because he was gay. Other Marines he'd served with were on the same board, and confirmed that he was a good Marine and good at his MOS (radiocryptography, I believe). [MENTION=19762]asaratis[/MENTION] is one of those Marines and can confirm.
Until then, I was a firm supporter of DADT. But talking with John -- and I've told him this -- made me realize that people who want to serve, and are capable of serving this nation, can and should.
I'm glad DADT was repealed. I believe the trained and experienced troops retained can only further strengthen the military.
One could say the same about coed units.One needs to focus on the mission, and not on a fellow soilders intentions.
I agree that the left has a hard time articulating the "why" of their views. Mostly, it seems to stem from emotion...a notion of fairness, anger, and not a small amount of hatred. Further, as you say, history shows that much of what they want is simply unworkable, or downright bloody.I appreciate your response. From the looks vs. responses to this thred it seems thus far that most are here to reinforce their beliefs, or just vent. I honestly tried repetedly to see why libs have such liberal thinking, but I don't believe they have the abilities to articulate them, or at least how they can be successfully implemented. Good intention can be championed, but when they are doomed to failure - proven to be by immense empirical data, there is an impass of communication. I guess no one want to believe that their beliefs are wrong. Example: all children on earth should be given a healthy diet, and never go hungry. We all can agree to that, but we cannot all agree that it is impossible.
My apologies. Got the username wrong. Was talking about asterism.Negative...Not on this board, although researching and arguing a position often strengthens it.
On another board, I became friends with a former Marine who left the service because he was gay. Other Marines he'd served with were on the same board, and confirmed that he was a good Marine and good at his MOS (radiocryptography, I believe). [MENTION=19762]asaratis[/MENTION] is one of those Marines and can confirm.
Until then, I was a firm supporter of DADT. But talking with John -- and I've told him this -- made me realize that people who want to serve, and are capable of serving this nation, can and should.
I'm glad DADT was repealed. I believe the trained and experienced troops retained can only further strengthen the military.
I am not and have never claimed to be a Marine. I would like to know your source of this misconception.
[MENTION=23991]@daveman[/MENTION]
There is no shortfall in people who want to serve. having been a Marine, I would say that gays should be in all gay units as they make many others uncomfortable. One needs to focus on the mission, and not on a fellow soilders intentions.Not on this board, although researching and arguing a position often strengthens it.
On another board, I became friends with a former Marine who left the service because he was gay. Other Marines he'd served with were on the same board, and confirmed that he was a good Marine and good at his MOS (radiocryptography, I believe). [MENTION=19762]asaratis[/MENTION] is one of those Marines and can confirm.
Until then, I was a firm supporter of DADT. But talking with John -- and I've told him this -- made me realize that people who want to serve, and are capable of serving this nation, can and should.
I'm glad DADT was repealed. I believe the trained and experienced troops retained can only further strengthen the military.
I appreciate your response. From the looks vs. responses to this thred it seems thus far that most are here to reinforce their beliefs, or just vent. I honestly tried repetedly to see why libs have such liberal thinking, but I don't believe they have the abilities to articulate them, or at least how they can be successfully implemented. Good intention can be championed, but when they are doomed to failure - proven to be by immense empirical data, there is an impass of communication. I guess no one want to believe that their beliefs are wrong. Example: all children on earth should be given a healthy diet, and never go hungry. We all can agree to that, but we cannot all agree that it is impossible.
I have deleted mine. Thanks!My apologies. Got the username wrong. Was talking about asterism.Negative...Not on this board, although researching and arguing a position often strengthens it.
On another board, I became friends with a former Marine who left the service because he was gay. Other Marines he'd served with were on the same board, and confirmed that he was a good Marine and good at his MOS (radiocryptography, I believe). [MENTION=19762]asaratis[/MENTION] is one of those Marines and can confirm.
Until then, I was a firm supporter of DADT. But talking with John -- and I've told him this -- made me realize that people who want to serve, and are capable of serving this nation, can and should.
I'm glad DADT was repealed. I believe the trained and experienced troops retained can only further strengthen the military.
I am not and have never claimed to be a Marine. I would like to know your source of this misconception.
[MENTION=23991]@daveman[/MENTION]
I've edited the post. Sorry for the confusion.
That is the problem - libs telling me. They need to explain how their beliefs can be executed with a benefit cost analysis; not just preach ideology - do you try to understand conservatism? Does it's arguments impact you at all, or does your liberal shielding block it's attempts.There is no shortfall in people who want to serve. having been a Marine, I would say that gays should be in all gay units as they make many others uncomfortable. One needs to focus on the mission, and not on a fellow soilders intentions.Not on this board, although researching and arguing a position often strengthens it.
On another board, I became friends with a former Marine who left the service because he was gay. Other Marines he'd served with were on the same board, and confirmed that he was a good Marine and good at his MOS (radiocryptography, I believe). [MENTION=19762]asaratis[/MENTION] is one of those Marines and can confirm.
Until then, I was a firm supporter of DADT. But talking with John -- and I've told him this -- made me realize that people who want to serve, and are capable of serving this nation, can and should.
I'm glad DADT was repealed. I believe the trained and experienced troops retained can only further strengthen the military.
I appreciate your response. From the looks vs. responses to this thred it seems thus far that most are here to reinforce their beliefs, or just vent. I honestly tried repetedly to see why libs have such liberal thinking, but I don't believe they have the abilities to articulate them, or at least how they can be successfully implemented. Good intention can be championed, but when they are doomed to failure - proven to be by immense empirical data, there is an impass of communication. I guess no one want to believe that their beliefs are wrong. Example: all children on earth should be given a healthy diet, and never go hungry. We all can agree to that, but we cannot all agree that it is impossible.
You have failed to understand what "libs" are telling you....and in your arrogant and ignorant way, you see that as a deficiency on their part.
Try harder.
Great point! Liberals give a pass to other liberals - no doubt. The two party system leaves alot to be desired. The RNC is not conservative enough, and the DNC is outlandish.I learned long ago that there's no hope for the dnc and am beginning to wonder if the rnc can ever be trusted.
No one that supports a pol party is to be fully trusted, since they can't see the evils done. or at least refuse too and care.
example; obama blew up the minor son of a wanted terrorist, liberals don't care at all, but Bush using waterboarding evil men was bad and headline news.
That is the problem - libs telling me. They need to explain how their beliefs can be executed with a benefit cost analysis; not just preach ideology - do you try to understand conservatism? Does it's arguments impact you at all, or does your liberal shielding block it's attempts.There is no shortfall in people who want to serve. having been a Marine, I would say that gays should be in all gay units as they make many others uncomfortable. One needs to focus on the mission, and not on a fellow soilders intentions.
I appreciate your response. From the looks vs. responses to this thred it seems thus far that most are here to reinforce their beliefs, or just vent. I honestly tried repetedly to see why libs have such liberal thinking, but I don't believe they have the abilities to articulate them, or at least how they can be successfully implemented. Good intention can be championed, but when they are doomed to failure - proven to be by immense empirical data, there is an impass of communication. I guess no one want to believe that their beliefs are wrong. Example: all children on earth should be given a healthy diet, and never go hungry. We all can agree to that, but we cannot all agree that it is impossible.
You have failed to understand what "libs" are telling you....and in your arrogant and ignorant way, you see that as a deficiency on their part.
Try harder.