Has Obama' policies put us in another recession?

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Industry is stagnant because businesses and corporations have little confidence in a positive economic future for this country. Until that changes, which is unlikely as long as Obama is president, we are not going to have a recovery.

 

[grunt11b]

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HAHAHA!!! Now that's funny!

 

[drsmith1072]

Considering lockstep do nothing Pubs have filibustered all his ideas since 11/2009. I would say it's their braindead non-policies...Pub Dupes!!

The GOP did not gain control of congress until January of 2011, Obama could have passed whatever he wanted up to that point due to his super majority in both houses. And to be honest, Obama wasn't doing shit about jobs when he DID have a filibuster proof congress and senate, what was his excuse then? I know what it is, he really could give a shit less about jobs, he is the quintessential socialist, state control of everything, and the only way to get that is through bailouts/take overs and putting the people out of work and on a government program.
You keep drinking the koolaid, the rest of us will be right here fighting for your right to hate America.

Actually republicans had enough votes to filibuster anything the dems wanted to do prior to alren spector switching parties on 29 APR 2009 and as of the moment scott brown was sworn in to the seat once held by ted kennedy and that was back on 4 FEB 2010. Dems only had the supermajority for a few days over nine months and had to deal with filibusters of republicans the rest of the time.
So please explain how "Obama could have passed whatever he wanted up to that point due to his super majority in both houses." when the dems didn't have a supermajority in the senate and could not override a republican filibuster to bring about cloture?

Seems to me that you ar the one drinking the koolaid considering how you parroted the right wing talking point that dems had a supermajority for two years when they did NOT.

 

[drsmith1072]

Considering lockstep do nothing Pubs have filibustered all his ideas since 11/2009. I would say it's their braindead non-policies...Pub Dupes!!

would that include Obama-care?

Specifics??

the failed stimulus?

Actually from what I have heard we could have been better off if it had not been passed but if you can prove your argument that it was indeed a failure then provide the specifics to do so.

his 1/2 of tarp?

Again some specifics?

bailing out the UAW? (wait, he did not ask congress to do that, sorry)

How did that hurt? Got anyting specific or are vague generalities all that you have to offer?

you want me to go on?

I want you to start then IF you can provide something of substance then you can provide more IF you have it.

 

[midcan5]

Why would anyone consider Standard and Poor a credible source of anything? Were they not the buffoons who said the real estate boondoggle was stable and sound economics? They should be thought of as fools at the most charitable.

The republicans and big money conservatives have done everything they could to try to make Obama fail, they did the same to every democratic president since FDR beat them badly. It seems sometimes the republicans are still fighting his ghost.

Right now it is up to Americans of good faith to build here, buy here, and support here. We were at a show yesterday in Atlantic City and the casino was crowded and people were spending, one could say wasting their money. Recessions are often in the mind. If only we could mass hypnotize the republicans that Obama is really Ronnie life would be just fine.

 

[Jarhead]

Considering lockstep do nothing Pubs have filibustered all his ideas since 11/2009. I would say it's their braindead non-policies...Pub Dupes!!

would that include Obama-care?

Specifics??



Actually from what I have heard we could have been better off if it had not been passed but if you can prove your argument that it was indeed a failure then provide the specifics to do so.


Again some specifics?

bailing out the UAW? (wait, he did not ask congress to do that, sorry)

How did that hurt? Got anyting specific or are vague generalities all that you have to offer?

you want me to go on?

I want you to start then IF you can provide something of substance then you can provide more IF you have it.

I can.

So much money spent and unemployment still at 9.2%

Any other questions?

 

[Full-Auto]

Why would anyone consider Standard and Poor a credible source of anything? Were they not the buffoons who said the real estate boondoggle was stable and sound economics? They should be thought of as fools at the most charitable.

The republicans and big money conservatives have done everything they could to try to make Obama fail, they did the same to every democratic president since FDR beat them badly. It seems sometimes the republicans are still fighting his ghost.

Right now it is up to Americans of good faith to build here, buy here, and support here. We were at a show yesterday in Atlantic City and the casino was crowded and people were spending, one could say wasting their money. Recessions are often in the mind. If only we could mass hypnotize the republicans that Obama is really Ronnie life would be just fine.

Were they the only agency to do so?

 

[drsmith1072]

When you get to sit in the chair you are responsible. When the nation is falling apart and needing job, not only do you not have a plan you leave for 10 days of vacation. A lot of Americans don't know if they will have a house in 10 days. I don't care who did it, fix it that is why you have the job. You lied to the American people when you ran for office, you don't have a hope in hell of fixing anything. Just another pretty boy lib who never worked in his life. Following the steps of Clinton. You guys have got to stop blaming it all on the PUBS as you like to call us.

I am really glad that 9/11 didn't happen on Obama's watch, he probably would have made a public apology for having the World Trade Center in the way of the planes and offered them restitution. What a mess we are in.

If it happened on his watch he would have declared 9/11 a national muslim holiday.

Speaking of 9/11 and whose watch it occured on, why did republicans try to blame clinton for 9/11 when it happened on W's watch??

For that matter republicans loved to blame clinton for ruby ridge when that occured befoer he was even elected but due to the fact that he inherited the trial and with waco on their minds hacks likerush limbaugh blamed clinton and the right went along with it.

Republicans love to bring up the "booooosh" bs but didn't W actually try to blame clinton by claiming that he inherited a recession from clinton??

Why is it that the right applies one standard to republican presidents and a different standard to democrat presidents?

 

[drsmith1072]

Fucking retard.

Thanks for warning us that you were coming now if you have anything besides your usual trolling to offer that would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry kiddo.... that's he only response I have for: Considering lockstep do nothing Pubs have filibustered all his ideas since 11/2009. I would say it's their braindead non-policies...Pub Dupes

Sorry if that offends you.

No offense taken, just thanking you for warning us that you were coming.

 

[JRK]

GDP growth is below half of what it should be coming out of a recession. Obama has managed the Worst Recovery of the modern era.

Threats of higher taxes, disregard of lawful contracts in order to favor cronies, expanded entitlements, and heavy handed regulation do not foster economic growth.

Its that simple really

 

[drsmith1072]

GDP growth is below half of what it should be coming out of a recession. Obama has managed the Worst Recovery of the modern era.

Threats of higher taxes, disregard of lawful contracts in order to favor cronies, expanded entitlements, and heavy handed regulation do not foster economic growth.

It's a recession his policies doubled down on and created. I wouldn't go as far as calling it a recovery, they have not been adding jobs and unemployment has not changed much in almost a year. There is no recovery, only more finger pointing from the left trying to blame what they did on a GOP that was not in office nor had the ability to stop them when they did it. Socialism is a failed ideology as has been proven throughout history, all it does is destroy economies and wreck liberty.

And taking the queue from rightwing talking heads and presidential candidates you chime in with the vague "his policies" while failing to provide anything specific and showing HOW it actually did what you claim it did.

Thanks for NOTHING.

 

[Full-Auto]

GDP growth is below half of what it should be coming out of a recession. Obama has managed the Worst Recovery of the modern era.

Threats of higher taxes, disregard of lawful contracts in order to favor cronies, expanded entitlements, and heavy handed regulation do not foster economic growth.

Its that simple really

Aint done nothin bout the debt


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[signelect]

The libs are delusional, they won't take responsibility for anything. I bet it is Bushes fault that we are have a drought in Texas. Can't we agree that it is broken and work to fix it. I am sick of this back and forth as things get worse. I guarantee that not one congressman is suffering and have lived in New England I know that Obama and family are really enjoying Martha Vineyard. Mean while same song fifth verse, no leadership and no plan.

 

[IHBF]

Considering lockstep do nothing Pubs have filibustered all his ideas since 11/2009. I would say it's their braindead non-policies...Pub Dupes!!

Standard lefty loon tactic: do not assume responsibility for anything. Blame it on someone else (or if that fails, blame it on bad luck).

When will the left grow some nuts and act like men?

 

[Jarhead]

When you get to sit in the chair you are responsible. When the nation is falling apart and needing job, not only do you not have a plan you leave for 10 days of vacation. A lot of Americans don't know if they will have a house in 10 days. I don't care who did it, fix it that is why you have the job. You lied to the American people when you ran for office, you don't have a hope in hell of fixing anything. Just another pretty boy lib who never worked in his life. Following the steps of Clinton. You guys have got to stop blaming it all on the PUBS as you like to call us.

I am really glad that 9/11 didn't happen on Obama's watch, he probably would have made a public apology for having the World Trade Center in the way of the planes and offered them restitution. What a mess we are in.

If it happened on his watch he would have declared 9/11 a national muslim holiday.

Speaking of 9/11 and whose watch it occured on, why did republicans try to blame clinton for 9/11 when it happened on W's watch??

For that matter republicans loved to blame clinton for ruby ridge when that occured befoer he was even elected but due to the fact that he inherited the trial and with waco on their minds hacks likerush limbaugh blamed clinton and the right went along with it.

Republicans love to bring up the "booooosh" bs but didn't W actually try to blame clinton by claiming that he inherited a recession from clinton??

Why is it that the right applies one standard to republican presidents and a different standard to democrat presidents?

you read these forums too much.
Republicans in general did not try to blame Clinton. The topic of why Bin Laden was around to plan the attacks came up and it was found that Clinton had a chance to take posession of Bin Laden and he opted not to. And to be frank, I assume he had good reason and I never questioned it...and I still dont question it.
Likewise, it was no Presidents fault. It was a well orchestrated attack and there was really very little that could have been done to stop it...even iof Bush was told straight out that terrorists were going to slam planes into buildings...what was he going to do about it?
I mean really...in the interest of a fair debate....do you really think that we, the people would have approved of our having our private parts fondled BEFORE 9-11? I mean....really? We have serious opposition against it now...AFTER 9-11.

So move on with that stuff....it wasnt clintons fault and it wasnt Bushs fault. It happened and we learned from it.

 

[Jarhead]

GDP growth is below half of what it should be coming out of a recession. Obama has managed the Worst Recovery of the modern era.

Threats of higher taxes, disregard of lawful contracts in order to favor cronies, expanded entitlements, and heavy handed regulation do not foster economic growth.

It's a recession his policies doubled down on and created. I wouldn't go as far as calling it a recovery, they have not been adding jobs and unemployment has not changed much in almost a year. There is no recovery, only more finger pointing from the left trying to blame what they did on a GOP that was not in office nor had the ability to stop them when they did it. Socialism is a failed ideology as has been proven throughout history, all it does is destroy economies and wreck liberty.

And taking the queue from rightwing talking heads and presidential candidates you chime in with the vague "his policies" while failing to provide anything specific and showing HOW it actually did what you claim it did.

Thanks for NOTHING.

But I did..

You asked for specifics..and I gave you specifics...you ignored them...so here it is again....

100's of Billions of dollars spent and unemployment is at 9.2%.

 

[JRK]

would that include Obama-care?

Specifics??



Actually from what I have heard we could have been better off if it had not been passed but if you can prove your argument that it was indeed a failure then provide the specifics to do so.


Again some specifics?



How did that hurt? Got anyting specific or are vague generalities all that you have to offer?

you want me to go on?

I want you to start then IF you can provide something of substance then you can provide more IF you have it.

I can.

So much money spent and unemployment still at 9.2%

Any other questions?

Specific on Obama-care?
how specific is it being against the peoples will do you want?
and that the claim that a savings 500 billion in Medicare was going to help pay for it? (more debt than foretasted)
How specific
is the loss of 6 million jobs sense 2008 while our president spending about 800 billion dollars to prevent it (more than the Iraq war) and as far as bailing out the UAW to start with the way he did it by passed so many contract laws I do not know where to start
*****Obama Administration Tearing Contract Law Apart***** | Market Skeptics
you really want more of this?
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
2009...... 130,807 108,252 18,557 694 6,016 11,847

2010...... 129,818 107,337 17,755 705 5,526 11,524
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt

 

[signelect]

The libs have a huge hole in their boat and rather than fix it, which would require a plan that they don't have, they blame the Pubs. This has been the problem from the beginning. Once they go in office with vague promises, none of which materialized, they suddenly realized that they were in deep dodo and didn't know what to do. I still say we the voters are really at fault, we elected the wrong team, ran the wrong opposition and in general let the congress have it's way for years and now we are paying the price.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Stimulus
His 1/2 of tarp

The dow is below 11,0000
deficits are so bad that S&P gave us a down grade

UE is getting worse
Are we all ready in another recession?
has real GDP growth began to go in reverse?

I wouldn't say his policies only have done it. I would be more likey to say the uncertainty of his uneffective leadership. That will make the bullish of people back off and wait.

 

[drsmith1072]

Stimulus
His 1/2 of tarp

The dow is below 11,0000
deficits are so bad that S&P gave us a down grade

UE is getting worse
Are we all ready in another recession?
has real GDP growth began to go in reverse?

So all you have are the stimulus and the tarp from over two years ago and the EU even as you fail to mention any specific policy and fail to show HOW said policy will affect anything and you think that you make a valid argument?? Do you have anything more recent and specific?

BTW I think the stalemate in washington was a large aprt of why S&P gave us a downgrade or do you just discard facts that don't suit your spin?

spin?
did the stimulus work? (with 250 billion in tarp)

YOU claim it failed the burden of proof is on YOU to prove it. It's not my job to prove you wrong.

Is Obama-care in court being deemed un constitutional help?

Uh what are you asking? Yes obama is in court because someone sued over the healthcare bill and that is their right the courts get to decide if it is actually unconstitutional or not. Why not let them do their job before you make such presumptions?
BTW if you are asking if the healthcare legislation being in court out of sheer partisan rage because republicans are suing because obama instituted an idea that used to be theirs then no their partisan bs does not help.

Did his adding so much debt we got downgrade by S&P help?

that was NOT your claim.

deficits are so bad that S&P gave us a down grade

You were obviously implying that deficits were the ONLY reason when the S&Ps own report said it had a lot to do with the stalemate in washington.

More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness,
stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political
institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic
challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a
negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.
· Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the
gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us
pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be
able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal
consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any
time soon. http://www.standardandpoors.com/ser...lobwhere=1243942957443&blobheadervalue3=UTF-8

Did the reluctance to do what ever it takes to open up these shale oil fields help?

Huh? What are you babbling about NOW? specifics please.

pipelines?
Nuclear energy?
Natural gas?

SPECIFICS PLEASE.

you want me to go on?

Again I want you to start then IF you can provide something of substance then you can provide more IF you have it.