Happy Confederate Memorial Day Texans

[Zincwarrior]

Funny how you can use all these arguments from authority, but can't point to where the Constitution says that states can't secede.

It didn't say they can..
Cracker is mad slavery was ended.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

attempted secession is not an actual one.

& the south will not rise again.

ba-bye, toodles... sayonara.

As soon as they said that they seceded they seceded. The Civil War was not actually a civil war, rebellion, or insurrection. It was a war of conquest by the Union. Sadly, it succeeded. Life isn't a Hollywood movie. The bad guys usually win.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

It didn't say they can..
Cracker is mad slavery was ended.

It didn't say they couldn't. See the 10th Amendment for the proper legal conclusion one should draw from this. I'm not pro-slavery, but I think all the blacks should have been deported to Africa. We're now paying for Republicans unleashing a black plague upon the United States.

 

[candycorn]

Still trying to play this card?

Even Prager U gave up trying to portray the war as being about anything other than slavery.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Good reminder. I am very happy the Confederacy is dead.

/----/ As a Southerner, I can say I am happy the democRAT slave owners got their asses whooped. Unfortunately, I grew up in the shadow of reconstruction.

 

[DudleySmith]

Still trying to play this card?

Even Prager U gave up trying to portray the war as being about anything other than slavery.

So even Prager U is now idiotically wrong.

 

[DudleySmith]

"Butwhat am I to do in the meantime with those men at Montgomery [meaningthe Confederate constitutional convention]? Am I to let them go on...[a]nd open Charleston, etc., as ports of entry, with theirten-percent tariff. What, then, would become of my tariff?" ~Lincoln to Colonel John B. Baldwin, deputized by the VirginianCommissioners to determine whether Lincoln would use force, April 4,1861.





"Unionmeans so many millions a year lost to the South; secession means theloss of the same millions to the North. The love of money is the rootof this as of many other evils....The quarrel between the North andSouth is, as it stands, solely a fiscal quarrel"....Charles ****ens in a London periodical in December 1861

"Thecontest is really for empire on the side of the North and forindependence on that of the South...."...... London Times of 7 Nov 1861

"Slaveryis not the cause of the rebellion ....Slavery is the pretext on whichthe leaders of the rebellion rely, 'to fire the Southern Heart' andthrough which the greatest degree of unanimity can be produced....Mr.Calhoun, after finding that the South could not be brought intosufficient unanimity by a clamor about the tariff, selected slaveryas the better subject for agitation".....North American Review (Boston October 1862)

"They[the South] know that it is their import trade that draws from thepeople's pockets sixty or seventy millions of dollars per annum, inthe shape of duties, to be expended mainly in the North, and in theprotection and encouragement of Northern interests....These are thereasons why these people [the North] do not wish the South to secedefrom the Union." .....New Orleans Daily Crescent 21 January 1861

"Inone single blow our foreign commerce must be reduced to less thanone-half what it now is. Our coastwise trade would pass into otherhands. One-half of our shipping would lie idle at our wharves. Weshould lose our trade with the South, with all of its immense profits. Our manufactories would be in utter ruins. Let the South adopt the free-trade system, or that of a tariff for revenue, and these results would likely follow." ....Chicago Daily Times December 1860

"At once shut down every Southern port, destroy its commerce and bringutter ruin on the Confederate States."..... NY Times 22 March 1861

"the mask has been thrown off and it is apparent that the people of theprincipal seceding states are now for commercial independence. They dream that the centres of traffic can be changed from Northern toSouthern ports....by a revenue system verging on free trade...."....Boston Transcript 18 March 1861

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"You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would beadvanced by making the attempt to provision Fort Sumter, even if itshould fail ; and it is no small consolation now to feel that ouranticipation is justified by the result. "
AbrahamLincoln, in a letter to Gustavus Fox, May 1, 1861

"Theaffair at Fort Sumter, it seems to us, has been planned as a means bywhich the war feeling at the North should be intensified, and theadministration thus receive popular support for its policy.... If thearmament which lay outside the harbor, while the fort was beingbattered to pieces [the US ship The Harriet Lane, and seven otherreinforcement ships], had been designed for the relief of MajorAnderson, it certainly would have made a show of fulfilling itsmission. But it seems plain to us that no such design was had. Theadministration, virtually, to use a homely illustration, stood atSumter like a boy with a chip on his shoulder, daring his antagonistto knock it off. The Carolinians have knocked off the chip. War isinaugurated, and the design of the administration accomplished."~ The Buffalo Daily Courier, April 16, 1861.

"Wehave no doubt, and all the circumstances prove, that it was acunningly devised scheme, contrived with all due attention to scenicdisplay and intended to arouse, and, if possible, exasperate thenorthern people against the South.... We venture to say a moregigantic conspiracy against the principles of human liberty andfreedom has never been concocted. Who but a fiend could have thoughtof sacrificing the gallant Major Anderson and his little band inorder to carry out a political game? Yet there he was compelled tostand for thirty-six hours amid a torrent of fire and shell, whilethe fleet sent to assist him, coolly looked at his flag of distressand moved not to his assistance! Why did they not? Perhaps thearchives in Washington will yet tell the tale of this strangeproceeding.... Pause then, and consider before you endorse these madmen who are now, under pretense of preserving the Union, doing thevery thing that must forever divide it." ~The New York Evening Day-Book, April 17, 1861.

 

[DudleySmith]

Granting the Fed the power to use force against the states was specifically denied by the Constitutional Convention, thanks to James Madison .


“It was then moved and seconded to proceed to the consideration of the following resolution (being the sixth submitted by Mr Randolph)


Resolved“that each branch ought to possess the right of originating acts:”


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“That the national legislature ought to be empowered”


“to enjoy the legislative rights vested in Congress by the confederation;and moreover


Tolegislate in all cases, to which the separate States are incompetent:[Ayes — 9; noes — 0; divided — 1.]7or


inwhich the harmony of the united States may be interrupted by theexercise of individual legislation


To negative all laws, passed by the several States, contravening, in the opinion of the national legislature, the articles of union: (the following words were added to this clause on motion of Mr Franklin,“or any Treaties subsisting under the authority of theunionHYPERLINK"http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/1057#Farrand_0544-01_415"✪


Questions being taken separately on the foregoing clauses of the sixth resolution they were agreed to.


It was then moved and seconded to postpone the consideration of the last clause of the sixth resolution, namely,


“to call forth the force of the union against any member of the union,failing to fulfil it’s duty under the articles thereof.”


on the question to postpone the consideration of the said clause ...”






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“On the question for giving powers, in cases to which the States are not competent,


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Massts.ay. Cont. divd. (Sharman no Elseworth ay) N. Y. ay. N. J. ay. Pa. ay.Del. ay. Va. ay. N. C. ay, S. Carolina ay. Georga. ay. [Ayes — 9;noes — 0; divided — 1.]


The other clauses giving powers necessary to preserve harmony among the States 〈to negative all State laws contravening in the opinion of the Nat Legthe articles of Union down to the last clause, (the words “or any treaties subsisting under the authority of the Union”,being added after the words “contravening&c. the articles of the Union”; on motion of Dr. Franklin,〉19were agreed to witht. debate or dissent.


The〈last〉clause〈of Resolution 6. authorizing〉an exertion of the force of the whole agst. a delinquent State came next into consideration.


Mr.〈Madison〉,observed that the more he reflected on the use of force, the more he doubted the practicability, the justice and the efficacy of it when applied to people collectively and not individually. — , A Union of the States 〈containing such an ingredient〉seemed to provide for its own destruction. The use of force agst. a State,would look more like a declaration of war, than an infliction of punishment, and would probably be considered by the party attacked as a dissolution of all previous compacts by which it might be bound. He hoped that such a system would be framed as might render this recourse unnecessary, and moved that the clause be postponed.20HYPERLINK"http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/1057#lf0544-01_footnote_nt_135_ref"HYPERLINK"http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/1057#lf0544-01_footnote_nt_135_ref"✪This motion was agreed to nem. con.


〈The Committee then rose & the House


Adjourned〉21










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“Motioned vz.


That each branch ought to possess the right of originating acts.


agreed.


That the national legislature ought to be empowered to enjoy the legislative rights vested in Congress by the confedn. and moreover to legislate in all cases to which the seperate States are incompetent.


agreed.


orin which the harmony of the U. S. may be interrupted by the exerciseof individual legislation.


agreed.


To negative all laws passed by the several States contravening in the opinion of the national legislature the articles of union, (or any treaty subsisting under the authority of the union, added by Dr.Franklin).


agreed.


[/b]And to call forth the force of the union against any member of the union failing to fulfil its duty under the articles thereof.HYPERLINK"http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/1057#Farrand_0544-01_527"✪


postponed.


Mr.E. Gery thought this clause “ought to be expressed so as the people might not understand it to prevent their being alarmed”.


This idea rejected on account of its artifice, and because the system without such a declaration gave the government the means to secure itself.”[/b]






http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/1057

 

[candycorn]

Love it when conservatives try to, at the same time, embrace white nationalism and dismiss slavery as a bug; not a feature in the confederacy.

 

[Curried Goats]

So even Prager U is now idiotically wrong.

No, they're just better at calculating the stupidity of insisting on States Rights over human rights. They're grifters, not morons.

 

[Zincwarrior]

On the positive, absent some potential cross burnings out in the woods by the Klan in Bum fuck East Texas, there were no celebrations. The CSA remains...dead.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

Still trying to play this card?

Even Prager U gave up trying to portray the war as being about anything other than slavery.

(((Prager U))). Every. Single. Time.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

Love it when conservatives try to, at the same time, embrace white nationalism and dismiss slavery as a bug; not a feature in the confederacy.

Slavery was common at the time. It still exists in non-White countries.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Slavery was common at the time. It still exists in non-White countries.

But not here. Happy Memorial!

 

[candycorn]

No, they're just better at calculating the stupidity of insisting on States Rights over human rights. They're grifters, not morons.

Well put. They are the scientology of on-line education.

 

[DudleySmith]

On the positive, absent some potential cross burnings out in the woods by the Klan in Bum fuck East Texas, there were no celebrations. The CSA remains...dead.

Nobody is trying to revive it, that's just retarded sniveling from assorted deviants, which is why you need to make up fake history and throw bullshit around.

 

[DudleySmith]

But not here. Happy Memorial!

And you had nothing to do with it not being here, and haven't done anything about shutting down slavery today. Your President is in fact encouraging slave smuggling over our open borders, and has 'lost' over 85,000 children so far that you and your Party were allegedly sniveling about 'helping'. Your 'President' currently also takes bribes from Red China, the largest slave empire in modern times. We know you're all very very proud of your part in that.

 

[DudleySmith]

Slavery was common at the time. It still exists in non-White countries.

It still exits now, but you never see any of these frauds ever posting on it or why their Party actively promotes it.

 

[Curried Goats]

It still exits now, but you never see any of these frauds ever posting on it or why their Party actively promotes it.

The topic is Confederate idolatry you stupid Simp and these poor ass defenses of it is why your shit culture is being dismantled across the country.

 

[DudleySmith]

The topic is Confederate idolatry you stupid Simp and these poor ass defenses of it is why your shit culture is being dismantled across the country.

^^^lol triggered the faggot immigrant parasite again. They get really upset when they get away with fake history and need to gloss over how essentially useless they arena need to depend on white people's generosity to survive, their own countries being miserable shitholes an their 'cultures' total shit they had to run from.