Hamas SCUM !

[sealadaigh]

Sealie, somehow I doubt you've known more Jews -or known them any better! - than I have.

And that is the kindest most benign comment I can find to make, except to suggest that your 'ear' for Yiddish is lacking.

it is my call, and the rest of the goyim's call, not yours. i can explain forever why the banned word is not a slur, and it isn't in the british isles in fact, but all the reasons in the world is not going to make it less of a slur and within bounds on this board.

i can explain to you why "****" is not a slur and trace the innocent origins o the word back to ellis island but you know what. it is a slur and it is a slur because jews say it is a slur.

the mere fact that you are even arguing about a word that many, many gentiles have come to regard as a slur, and well they should, is a disgraceful display, not only of your arrogance, but of your ignorance as well.

how about something different. the biblical juxtaposition to the word "goy" or "goyim" is "the chosen." now, trot on down to some interfaith meeting, or any kind of meeting, PTA, BBB, whatever, and when they pass out those blank name tags, suggest to help identify people further that they put "goyim" or "the chosen" under their names.

now that will really fly.

 

[irosie91]

The biblical justaposition of the word "goy" with "the chosen" ??? can you tell me to what verse you are referring? Your comment makes no sense at all to me. In the bible are persons designated as "THAT GOY" or "THAT CHOSEN" that you know of?------that "goy encountered a "chosen" ????

 

[MHunterB]

Yanno, Sealie - the only people who go around claiming that Jews view ourselves as 'the chosen', are people who are Jew-hating bigots. Or the (may they be few!) hateful Jewish bigots.

You probably have no idea that there's an entire sect of Judaism which has explicitly rejected the concept of 'chosen', or that I belong to that denomination.

And NO: it's not up to the 'goyim' what the word means in Hebrew and how it's properly used. Just as it's not up to you or me to define who is or isn't Black. And just as it's not up to you to define what 'Zionism' is about.

If you want to persist in your delusion that Jews commonly view the world as 'Jews/everyone else', I can't stop you. But I don't have to accede to your attempts to define me.

 

[MHunterB]

Sealie, there is no 'w' sound in Yiddish, just as there isn't any in Hebrew. Since you were transliterating the word, the proper transliteration would have been 'schvartze' - that indicates Yiddish. The transliteration you used was straight German.

If you were as close to your putative Jewish 'best friend' as you've claimed - he was either very ignorant or you were very unobservant to not realize the difference. THAT is what I meant by 'your 'ear' for Yiddish is lacking' - and I was exactly correct in that.

Your bluster notwithstanding, nonspeakers do not get to define the meanings of words in a language as a rule. Why should an exception be made for Yiddish or Hebrew, I'd like to know?

 

[sealadaigh]

Yanno, Sealie - the only people who go around claiming that Jews view ourselves as 'the chosen', are people who are Jew-hating bigots. Or the (may they be few!) hateful Jewish bigots.

You probably have no idea that there's an entire sect of Judaism which has explicitly rejected the concept of 'chosen', or that I belong to that denomination.

And NO: it's not up to the 'goyim' what the word means in Hebrew and how it's properly used. Just as it's not up to you or me to define who is or isn't Black. And just as it's not up to you to define what 'Zionism' is about.

If you want to persist in your delusion that Jews commonly view the world as 'Jews/everyone else', I can't stop you. But I don't have to accede to your attempts to define me.

my dear, maggie. i did not call you or anyone "the chosen". it is however a biblical word that jews do use and have used to refer to themselves. when i use it, i use it to refer to the people who believe they have been chosen by god to enter into a special covenant with god.

you are twisting my words. what i said was that the words "goy" and "goyim" were words to distinguish jews from gentiles or yes, to uswe language to distinguish between the two groups. i also said that i have never, ever heard the word mused in anything but a condescenfing or denigrating way.

i am not defining your word at all, or what it means in your culture, any more than african americans try to define what billy joe bob means by "******". what i am saying is that both words, used in the context that they are used in most frequently, are slurs and that is not your call, anymore than it is my call as to whether "****" is a slur or not. most people i know consider "goy" a slur. your arguments to the contrary are not going to change that anymore than say it's argument that "paddy" or "patty" isn't a slur against the irish.

i believe the three main sects of judaism, i think they are reform, orthodox, and conservative, believe that the jewish people were chosen to have a special relationship with god. that does not bother me one single bit. a lot of faiths have that belief or something like it. it is the very nature of deity belief systems. i don't really use the word all that much...only when someone acts like they are chosen.

anybody who wants to can go back and look at my previous posts and see what i said and if they are reasonably intelligent and honest, they would say that you are trying to obfuscate a very simple issue, and that issue is that "goy" and goyim" are, by and large, used as slurs of gentiles in the sense that they are generally used with an implication that we are incapable of understanding in some way or...lol...wrong headed.

 

[irosie91]

Yanno, Sealie - the only people who go around claiming that Jews view ourselves as 'the chosen', are people who are Jew-hating bigots. Or the (may they be few!) hateful Jewish bigots.

You probably have no idea that there's an entire sect of Judaism which has explicitly rejected the concept of 'chosen', or that I belong to that denomination.

And NO: it's not up to the 'goyim' what the word means in Hebrew and how it's properly used. Just as it's not up to you or me to define who is or isn't Black. And just as it's not up to you to define what 'Zionism' is about.

If you want to persist in your delusion that Jews commonly view the world as 'Jews/everyone else', I can't stop you. But I don't have to accede to your attempts to define me.

It is a commonly held white trash viewpoint------that jews----when among themselves chant "WE ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE" that in babyhood----the first words we hear is "G-D CHOSE US AS THE BEST" or that we refer to each other as "THE CHOSEN" as in "hello chosen Sarah----is chosen Abe home" ??
The first time I heard the word "chosen people" was as a child----of about nine or ten----the next door neighbor walked into the kitchen on a sunday afternoon and said to my mother "YOU ARE SO LUCKY TO BE ONE OF THE CHOSEN PEOPLE" ----she was fresh from church and had gotten the "CHOSEN PEOPLE" idea from a sunday morning church sermon My mother did the stereotype answer "chosen for what"?

 

[SAYIT]

I said the IDF was raiding homes in gaza 24/7 when they were occupying it....stupid

Who ya calling stupid, eh?!

i believe he was talking to you.

Nah, I believe he was just signing his name.

 

[sealadaigh]

Deach----you made no point-----I have never heard anyone deny that TODAY in common usage the word "GOY" often used derisively-----especially by ENGLISH SPEAKING JEWS Hebrew speakers still use it to simply mean NON JEWS VERY SIGNIFICANTLY is the islamo nazi pig interpretation of the word "goy" in OLDER WRITINGS like the talmud------those of your ilk go so far as to APPLY the slang derisive conotation to the word which developed MORE THAN 1000 years after the talmud was written to its usage IN THE TALMUD-------but that's ok distortion by use of semantics is what islamo nazi pigs and other people of your ilk, do.

the word SHAYGETZ and SHIKSA is a yiddish corruption of the hebrew word for a swarming insect It is used as a slang and derisive term for gentile---male---and female respectively It does not mean "unclean" however things ---especially food----infected with insects is considered "not kosher" ie either cannot be used----or in some cases such as various objects -----have to be cleaned of the infection before being used It is really very simple

Schwartzer is german/yiddish for "black person" it can be used either in a neutral or in a derisive manner just as it is used in english

i have no problem when it is used in a religious tract or setting. when it is used in any kind of social, i have never heard it used in any way but negatively. it is a slur. most gentiles regard it as a slur and a lot of jewish people admit that it is a slur and refuse to use it.

my "ilk" is a college educated irish catholic american army veteran and retired advocate and representative for working people who is a single custodial father and who is a dead pull hitter when batting right and who hits the ball to all fields when batting left but who could never hit an off speed pitch from either side.

but i kinda could maybe learn to like your boiling it down to "islamo nazi pig", even though i am not a muslim, do not believe in national socialism, and abhor cannabalism and refuse to give up my penchant for bacon...but all things considered, islamo nazi pig is much more succinct than my self definition...and my god, who am i, a mere goy, to argue with one of the chosen.

 

[irosie91]

Deach----you made no point-----I have never heard anyone deny that TODAY in common usage the word "GOY" often used derisively-----especially by ENGLISH SPEAKING JEWS Hebrew speakers still use it to simply mean NON JEWS VERY SIGNIFICANTLY is the islamo nazi pig interpretation of the word "goy" in OLDER WRITINGS like the talmud------those of your ilk go so far as to APPLY the slang derisive conotation to the word which developed MORE THAN 1000 years after the talmud was written to its usage IN THE TALMUD-------but that's ok distortion by use of semantics is what islamo nazi pigs and other people of your ilk, do.

the word SHAYGETZ and SHIKSA is a yiddish corruption of the hebrew word for a swarming insect It is used as a slang and derisive term for gentile---male---and female respectively It does not mean "unclean" however things ---especially food----infected with insects is considered "not kosher" ie either cannot be used----or in some cases such as various objects -----have to be cleaned of the infection before being
used It is really very simple

Schwartzer is german/yiddish for "black person" it can be used either in a neutral or in a derisive manner just as it is used in english

i have no problem when it is used in a religious tract or setting. when it is used in any kind of social, i have never heard it used in any way but negatively. it is a slur. most gentiles regard it as a slur and a lot of jewish people admit that it is a slur and refuse to use it.

my "ilk" is a college educated irish catholic american army veteran and retired advocate and representative for working people who is a single custodial father and who is a dead pull hitter when batting right and who hits the ball to all fields when batting left but who could never hit an off speed pitch from either side.

but i kinda could maybe learn to like your boiling it down to "islamo nazi pig", even though i am not a muslim, do not believe in national socialism, and abhor cannabalism and refuse to give up my penchant for bacon...but all things considered, islamo nazi pig is much more succinct than my self definition...and my god, who am i, a mere goy, to argue with one of the chosen.

I am a navy veteran----and educated to the level of Doctrate ---you can call me either DOCTOR ----or Lcdr ---or Ma'am. ------but I am not a retired officer so ----I do use my rank ---I am SEPARATED Your statement is vulgar-----and cynical and--rude

as to my use of the term "islamo nazi pig" I have worked for many years with muslims and understand the verbal usages of muslims ---to the extent that I learned words people in my part of the world call "VULGAR" in both arabic and urdu -----since they are used so EXTENSIVELY by muslims -----my use of the term ISLAMO NAZI PIG-----is simply a matter of communication In order to communicate successfully---one must use language in the manner the person one addresses uses it. If you do not understand my point-----find a nice ---pretty----christian lady-----ask her to walk past a BUSY mosque on a friday afternoon-----when people are in an out of the mosque Ask her to wear a ----nice little very mildly provocative dress and a LARGE CRUCIFIX -------and have her tape the comments spoken by the youths and even adult males and females she encounters-------I will try to translate the filth that they will spew at her. Ask her to note the gestures too. If you really want to learn a bit of arabic and urdu vulgarity----ask her to wear a large star of david