GWB turns out was a pretty good President

[Jarhead]

Indeed, we like Obama who does his killing from the skies. even if he has troops on the ground in more countries than bush ever did and is bombing more than bush ever did

Compare troop strengths overseas in Bush years to Obama's terms, LL.

One, Iraq invasion was unnecessary.

Two, Afghanistan, in my mind, was proper, then thrown away.

Three, if by bombing, you mean drone strikes, then I say "good". Much more efficient, cost effective, and fewer American lives at risk. The Constitution is not a suicide compact, and Americans who flee the country and go to war against America are constitutionally available to the President as target destinations.

Since you are so clever at playing the monday morning quarterback.....may I ask this....

If the Iraq war was voted down....and a year later Hussein sent up some short range missles to the sand pit (A-Stan) and tens of thousands of American Soldiers died slow painful deaths due to the dispersion of chemical weapons....

Would you be one of those guys complaining that Bush was not strong enough with his insiistance to invade Iraq? Would you be blaming those deaths of 10's of thousands of American soldiers on Bush?

Just curious.

Just curious

 

[JakeStarkey]

Indeed, we like Obama who does his killing from the skies. even if he has troops on the ground in more countries than bush ever did and is bombing more than bush ever did

Compare troop strengths overseas in Bush years to Obama's terms, LL.

One, Iraq invasion was unnecessary.

Two, Afghanistan, in my mind, was proper, then thrown away.

Three, if by bombing, you mean drone strikes, then I say "good". Much more efficient, cost effective, and fewer American lives at risk. The Constitution is not a suicide compact, and Americans who flee the country and go to war against America are constitutionally available to the President as target destinations.

Since you are so clever at playing the monday morning quarterback.....may I ask this....

If the Iraq war was voted down....and a year later Hussein sent up some short range missles to the sand pit (A-Stan) and tens of thousands of American Soldiers died slow painful deaths due to the dispersion of chemical weapons....

Would you be one of those guys complaining that Bush was not strong enough with his insiistance to invade Iraq? Would you be blaming those deaths of 10's of thousands of American soldiers on Bush? Just curious. Just curious

Hypothetical that could not have happened in the reality of the time.

But since you are playing, if the far right and libertarian wings had toned down their Obama hatred and lies, would McCain and Romney had a better chance of winning in 2008 and 2012.

Just curious.

 

[Jarhead]

Compare troop strengths overseas in Bush years to Obama's terms, LL.

One, Iraq invasion was unnecessary.

Two, Afghanistan, in my mind, was proper, then thrown away.

Three, if by bombing, you mean drone strikes, then I say "good". Much more efficient, cost effective, and fewer American lives at risk. The Constitution is not a suicide compact, and Americans who flee the country and go to war against America are constitutionally available to the President as target destinations.

Since you are so clever at playing the monday morning quarterback.....may I ask this....

If the Iraq war was voted down....and a year later Hussein sent up some short range missles to the sand pit (A-Stan) and tens of thousands of American Soldiers died slow painful deaths due to the dispersion of chemical weapons....

Would you be one of those guys complaining that Bush was not strong enough with his insiistance to invade Iraq? Would you be blaming those deaths of 10's of thousands of American soldiers on Bush? Just curious. Just curious

Hypothetical that could not have happened in the reality of the time.

But since you are playing, if the far right and libertarian wings had toned down their Obama hatred and lies, would McCain and Romney had a better chance of winning in 2008 and 2012.

Just curious.

Fact: We had tens of thousands of Americans within a stones throw of Iraq.
Fact: Hussein was involved in the manufacturing of chemical weapons
Fact: Saddam Hussein had tested those chemical weapons on humans (by the thousands)


The commander in chief had those facts to assess when Hussein cast the treaty aside and refused to allow inspectors to....well....inspect at will.

If we did not invade, and Hussein did as was possible, it would have been on the CiC's hands.

So enough with the childish Monday morning quarterbacking, and look at the decision he was faced with.

As for your hypothetical question.....it contains no facts...only assumptions....so to answer it would be almost as irresponsible as asking it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Obama is the best President we have had decades, probably the best since JFK.

yea i hear ya.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Man this irritated all the usual subjects....the progressives and the paulbots (notice how they always get upset about the same things?) and I love it. I am sure Bush was not a great President cause he didnt use his Veto power to keep the democrats in check after 2006....People seem to ignore that it all fell apart after they took control. No Bushes major fault was that he thought democrats loved the country as the rest of us do......You cant trust socialists.

Was Bush small government? Nope. Yet did he spend as much in 8 years as Obama did in 2? Nope

Did he try to fix education instead of just let the union have thier way? Yep. Didnt work out the way he thought cause again he thought progressives cared about kids and they dont.

You see Bushes major fault was thinking progressives are like americans and they are not.

As for the wars....Maybe when you little kids grow up you will realize what happened in 2001....You will also realize that Bush kept us safer then Obama has.

Except for when he didn't

go ahead RW tell us 9/11 would not have happened if Gore was elected.......

 

[Harry Dresden]

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One thing is for sure: We'll never get the lives, limbs and minds back of the thousands of American soldiers who should never have been sent to the Iraq & Afghanistan in the first place, nor the 4 TRILLION or so that was borrowed and then spent on those wars. Obama has been weak in getting us out of there, but he didn't put us there in the first place, and no spin can change that fact.

Think of all the lives and money that could have been saved had we just sent our armchair Rambos instead.

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We'll never get the lives back of the 58,000 plus americans from lbj's vietnam either.

The differance is that fact haunted LBJ. GWB really doesn't seem to give a shit as to what his errors cost other people.

how do you know Rocks?.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

I have a couple friends that used to HATE Bush. After the last 4, their minds had changed. Granted, they are my age and these 2 are really all they have been interested in. I am talking hated Bush! Now, not so much. A couple of weeks ago, " I wish Bush was back"

ill take Clinton over either Bush or Obama.....

 

[SFC Ollie]

Had Gore been President on 9-11-01 I have little doubt that we would have UN troops patrolling our cities to keep us safe........

 

[Mustang]

Had Gore been President on 9-11-01 I have little doubt that we would have UN troops patrolling our cities to keep us safe........

Do you think Gore would have continued to sit in that classroom like an indecisive rabbit while America was under attack?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Had Gore been President on 9-11-01 I have little doubt that we would have UN troops patrolling our cities to keep us safe........

but my point is.....it would have still happened whether Gore was there or even if Clinton was still in at the time....

 

[beretta304]

Had Gore been President on 9-11-01 I have little doubt that we would have UN troops patrolling our cities to keep us safe........

Do you think Gore would have continued to sit in that classroom like an indecisive rabbit while America was under attack?

Why don't you tell us what he would have done in front of a classroom full of small children.

 

[Mustang]

Had Gore been President on 9-11-01 I have little doubt that we would have UN troops patrolling our cities to keep us safe........

Do you think Gore would have continued to sit in that classroom like an indecisive rabbit while America was under attack?

Why don't you tell us what he would have done in front of a classroom full of small children.

He probably would have politely excused himself to attend to his responsibilities as President of the United States.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Had Gore been President on 9-11-01 I have little doubt that we would have UN troops patrolling our cities to keep us safe........

Do you think Gore would have continued to sit in that classroom like an indecisive rabbit while America was under attack?

not until he got done showing the kids how the curly Q light bulbs worked......and made sure the kids were going to tell their parents they need to buy these.....then he would have left....

 

[beretta304]

Do you think Gore would have continued to sit in that classroom like an indecisive rabbit while America was under attack?

Why don't you tell us what he would have done in front of a classroom full of small children.

He probably would have politely excused himself to attend to his responsibilities as President of the United States.

So you're willing to prove that nothing was being done until he physically left the classroom. There was no one in charge...is that your claim? And you know what he said back when he was informed as well, correct?

And what would he have done after he excused himself that was different from what was done?

 

[BlindBoo]

Had Gore been President on 9-11-01 I have little doubt that we would have UN troops patrolling our cities to keep us safe........

Gore likely wouldn't have ignored al Queda for the first 9 months. Twin Towers might still be standing.

The UN has no troops.

 

[beretta304]

Kids in Class With Bush on 9/11 Say He Was Right to Keep Reading - Michael Moore Was Wrong


For many years media members spearheaded by schlockumentary filmmaker Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" have mocked former President George W. Bush for continuing to read "The Pet Goat" to second-graders after hearing about the attacks on the World Trade Center.

On Tuesday, Time magazine reported that some of the kids in that classroom are speaking out about what happened that morning, and they don't agree with Moore's depiction of events:

Seven-year-olds can't understand what Islamic terrorism is all about. But they know when an adult's face is telling them something is very wrong — and none of the students sitting in Sandra Kay Daniels' class at Emma E. Booker Elementary School that morning can forget the sudden, devastated change in Bush's expression when White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card whispered the terrible news of the Al Qaeda attack. Lazaro Dubrocq's heart started racing because he assumed they were all in big trouble — with no less than the Commander-in-Chief — but he wasn't quite sure why. "In a heartbeat he leaned back and he looked flabbergasted, shocked, horrified," recalls Dubrocq, now 17. "I was baffled. I mean, did we read something wrong? Was he mad or disappointed in us?" (See pictures of people celebrating Osama bin Laden's death.)

All sorts of similar kid fears started running through Mariah Williams' head. "I don't remember the story we were reading — was it about pigs?" says Williams, 16. "But I'll always remember watching his face turn red. He got really serious all of a sudden. But I was clueless. I was just seven. I'm just glad he didn't get up and leave because then I would have been more scared and confused." Chantal Guerrero, 16, agrees: even today she's grateful that Bush regained his composure and stayed with the students until The Pet Goat was finished. "I think the President was trying to keep us from finding out," says Guerrero, "so we all wouldn't freak out." [...]

One thing they'd like to tell Bush's critics — like liberal filmmaker Michael Moore, whose 2004 documentary Fahrenheit 911 disparaged Bush for lingering almost 10 minutes with the Booker students after getting word that two planes had crashed into New York's World Trade Center — is that they think the President did the right thing. "I think he was trying to keep everybody calm, starting with us," says Guerrero. Dubrocq agrees: "I think he was trying to protect us." Booker Principal Gwendolyn Tose'-Rigell, who died in 2007, later insisted, "I don't think anyone could have handled it better. What would it have served if [Bush] had jumped out of his chair and ran out of the room?"

So Moore got something wrong in one of his schlockumentaries? Color me very unsurprised.



Kids in Class With Bush on 9/11 Say He Was Right to Keep Reading - Michael Moore Was Wrong | NewsBusters.org

 

[beretta304]

Had Gore been President on 9-11-01 I have little doubt that we would have UN troops patrolling our cities to keep us safe........

Gore likely wouldn't have ignored al Queda for the first 9 months. Twin Towers might still be standing.

The UN has no troops.

They might have been standing had Cliinton done "his" job years earlier.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Had Gore been President on 9-11-01 I have little doubt that we would have UN troops patrolling our cities to keep us safe........

Stop being stupid.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jarhead is poorly playing Monday morning quarterback, not very good at it all. Full of assumptions.

Our soldiers were safe, and all knew it.

SH was not able to deliver any chemical weapons, as he confirmed later, as the inspectors were telling us then.

And the sun rose the day before as well as SH once had used chemical weapons that he no longer had.

So, modify earlier comments, your argument contains no actionable facts, only your assumptions, "...so to answer it would be almost as irresponsible as asking it."

Neo-cons got it so badly, very badly, wrong for the USA, and the history books will record it as such for all time.

 

[Mustang]

Why don't you tell us what he would have done in front of a classroom full of small children.

He probably would have politely excused himself to attend to his responsibilities as President of the United States.

So you're willing to prove that nothing was being done until he physically left the classroom. There was no one in charge...is that your claim? And you know what he said back when he was informed as well, correct?

And what would he have done after he excused himself that was different from what was done?

I don't have to prove what everybody already knows. We needed a ship's captain on deck during the raging battle. Instead, we had Karl Rove's carefully crafted image of a captain sitting in a chair trying to figure out what a real captain would do when his ship was under attack. That's what we got when the Supreme Court gave us a former school cheerleader for president instead of a man who had eight years of training as the backup quarterback to a president and commander-in-chief.

But it's history now. But why you or any other conservatives would want to relive one of the numerous examples of Bush's failures as president is beyond my understand. Let him quietly slink into the hall of shame that history will inevitably place him.