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If one of our parents is a natural born Citizen of the United States, WE are as well, no matter where we were born. Even if we get to be born in orbit, or on the freakin Moon.The Court stated that:
The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words [citizen and natural born citizen], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.'
Since there was no definition of "natural born citizen" found in the constitution, the majority adopted the common law of England that was a carry over from feudal times.
The court ruled:
It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.
I am not Gunny, obviously. BUT... Until someone proves Obama's mother was not a natural born citizen, you have NO case that Obama isn't. For proof, I give you but one of at least three Supreme Court rulings on this matter:
UNITED STATES V. WONG KIM ARK, 169 U. S. 649 (1898) -- US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & OyezIf one of your parents is a natural born Citizen of the United States, YOU are as well, no matter where you were born. Even if you get to be born in orbit, or on the freakin Moon.The Court stated that:
The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words [citizen and natural born citizen], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.'
Since there was no definition of "natural born citizen" found in the constitution, the majority adopted the common law of England that was a carry over from feudal times.
The court ruled:
It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.
I understand my post was off-topic and I also am familiar with your stand on the issue. My post was merely for the record, for those interested.I am not Gunny, obviously. BUT... Until someone proves Obama's mother was not a natural born citizen, you have NO case that Obama isn't. For proof, I give you but one of at least three Supreme Court rulings on this matter:
UNITED STATES V. WONG KIM ARK, 169 U. S. 649 (1898) -- US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & OyezIf one of your parents is a natural born Citizen of the United States, YOU are as well, no matter where you were born. Even if you get to be born in orbit, or on the freakin Moon.The Court stated that:
The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words [citizen and natural born citizen], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.'
Since there was no definition of "natural born citizen" found in the constitution, the majority adopted the common law of England that was a carry over from feudal times.
The court ruled:
It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.
If you had bothered to read any of my previous posts on this issue you would have discovered I happen to agree that even if he were born in Kenya he is a NATURAL Born Citizen and eligible. THAT is not the question put forth here. The question is WHY would Obama go to so much trouble to HIDE his birth Certificate if everything is on the up and up. He has the State of Hawaii agreeing he was born there, WHY go to so much expense and effort to HIDE his past and his birth Certificate AND further Gunny has claimed a Court RULED on the merits. No such ruling has occurred to my knowledge and the claim is false.
I understand my post was off-topic and I also am familiar with your stand on the issue. My post was merely for the record, for those interested.I am not Gunny, obviously. BUT... Until someone proves Obama's mother was not a natural born citizen, you have NO case that Obama isn't. For proof, I give you but one of at least three Supreme Court rulings on this matter:
UNITED STATES V. WONG KIM ARK, 169 U. S. 649 (1898) -- US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & OyezIf one of your parents is a natural born Citizen of the United States, YOU are as well, no matter where you were born. Even if you get to be born in orbit, or on the freakin Moon.
If you had bothered to read any of my previous posts on this issue you would have discovered I happen to agree that even if he were born in Kenya he is a NATURAL Born Citizen and eligible. THAT is not the question put forth here. The question is WHY would Obama go to so much trouble to HIDE his birth Certificate if everything is on the up and up. He has the State of Hawaii agreeing he was born there, WHY go to so much expense and effort to HIDE his past and his birth Certificate AND further Gunny has claimed a Court RULED on the merits. No such ruling has occurred to my knowledge and the claim is false.
Clearly, I should have used "they" in place of "you" in my post. I have edited accordingly.
As to the hiding of documents by Obama, I am far more interested in his college transcripts than I am the BC, and often wonder why Obamaphiles continue to hold Obama to a lower standard than they did Bush, in this regard. I have posed that question many times to many of them, and have gotten only the internet equivalent of the blank stare.
Carry on. I would like to see and review the case in question myself.
Gunny you have stated several times now that some court has ruled that Obama's birth certificate was legal and binding. All I have seen out of the Courts are procedural rules that no one has standing to make the case go forward. Provide us with a court case that actually ruled on the merits of the issue.
Gunny you have stated several times now that some court has ruled that Obama's birth certificate was legal and binding. All I have seen out of the Courts are procedural rules that no one has standing to make the case go forward. Provide us with a court case that actually ruled on the merits of the issue.
SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570
Berg v. Obama
Supreme court ruling on Obama's eligibility for presidency
Docket for 08-570
Case was dismissed. Same as a ruling for as far as current law is concerned.
What expense and effort are you talking about? I've not seen anything mentioned where he's even commented on this idiocy let alone spent money on it.WHY go to so much expense and effort
courts....which way is it sgt...or does it vary for whom you support?
If you had bothered to read any of my previous posts on this issue you would have discovered I happen to agree that even if he were born in Kenya he is a NATURAL Born Citizen and eligible. THAT is not the question put forth here. The question is WHY would Obama go to so much trouble to HIDE his birth Certificate if everything is on the up and up. He has the State of Hawaii agreeing he was born there, WHY go to so much expense and effort to HIDE his past and his birth Certificate AND further Gunny has claimed a Court RULED on the merits. No such ruling has occurred to my knowledge and the claim is false.
why did sgt suddenly hush?
Cue the loons from 2004, the fringe flailers who insisted Booooosh disclose his college transcripts -- he catered to the demands of that fringe -- but their wails didn't stop. And they had the sour grapes, over the 2000 election. So, you know of what you speak, obviously. Experience.If you had bothered to read any of my previous posts on this issue you would have discovered I happen to agree that even if he were born in Kenya he is a NATURAL Born Citizen and eligible. THAT is not the question put forth here. The question is WHY would Obama go to so much trouble to HIDE his birth Certificate if everything is on the up and up. He has the State of Hawaii agreeing he was born there, WHY go to so much expense and effort to HIDE his past and his birth Certificate AND further Gunny has claimed a Court RULED on the merits. No such ruling has occurred to my knowledge and the claim is false.
Because as soon as he starts catering to the demands of the fringe right, there will be more demands and they will become increasingly more bizarre.
We've already watched the BC crowd constantly move the goalposts.
The issue isn't the law, it's sour grapes over Obama's election and seeking a way to circumvent a legal and just elective process.
Gunny you have stated several times now that some court has ruled that Obama's birth certificate was legal and binding. All I have seen out of the Courts are procedural rules that no one has standing to make the case go forward. Provide us with a court case that actually ruled on the merits of the issue.
SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570
Berg v. Obama
Supreme court ruling on Obama's eligibility for presidency
Docket for 08-570
Case was dismissed. Same as a ruling for as far as current law is concerned.
The case was DENIED, it was not heard, no ruling was made at all. Once again provide an actual court case that went to an actual decision based on the merits of the complaint. Not a ruling that the person had no standing and not a decision to deny the case itself.
Try again.
What trouble? Weirdos like you said the same shit about KErry during and after the 2004 campaign. Kerry later said he didn't reply to wierdos like you becuse he knew it make you look as stupid as you are.If you had bothered to read any of my previous posts on this issue you would have discovered I happen to agree that even if he were born in Kenya he is a NATURAL Born Citizen and eligible. THAT is not the question put forth here. The question is WHY would Obama go to so much trouble to HIDE his birth Certificate if everything is on the up and up.
Hide?He has the State of Hawaii agreeing he was born there, WHY go to so much expense and effort to HIDE his past and his birth Certificate AND further Gunny has claimed a Court RULED on the merits. No such ruling has occurred to my knowledge and the claim is false.
