Gun control working!

[BluesLegend]

Gun control advocates don't want to hear the facts, they just want to ban guns never mind what the facts are.

 

[HenryBHough]

Gun control advocates don't want to hear the facts, they just want to ban guns never mind what the facts are.

It is not and never was about guns.
It's about liberal elites jonesing to control YOUR life.

 

[Rustic]

Look no further than London, England, where civilian firearm ownership is de facto banned. Heck, their dear leader had good common sense to ban not only firearms, but sharp, pointy objects as well.

Sorry, you just can't argue the good results, right?

Through March of 2018:

• The murder rate is up 44 percent over the last twelve months
• Violent crime is up 33% over the preceding twelve months
• Home robbery is also up, by a third
• Rape is up 18 percent

Guess those 100lb English ladies are finding the notion of fighting off a 250lb rapist with their fists to be a bit of a sticky wicket???

But hey, but at least there's no gun or knife crime, right?

• Knife crime up 21 percent
• Shootings up 23 percent from the previous year
• More

Hmm...

Well, we all know the only reason London sees this crime is because of all the lax gun laws in nearly Indiana...

Oh, wait. Crap. Never mind.

Socialist Europe is a fucked up place, I see why your ancestors left that cesspool of piss and shit...
Everyone gets a participation trophy for being a fuck up there...

Ever been to Europe? My guess is no.

Actually I’ve been there a number of times, far too much socialism for my liking.
I’ve been to a few gun manufacturing facilities over the years.
They hate firearms over there but they love the money they get from taxing the manufacturing of them over there… obviously that makes them hypocrites.

I like it fine here. And before you say it, yes I have a job, I actually work on average a 12 hour shift and about 20 weekends a year on top of that. As to hypocrisy. Sure we tax a lot. On the other hand if tomorrow something happens to me and I can't work. My kid can go to college still and I won't have to worry about feeding my family. Oh the horror.

Oh... the nanny state, I get it.
Enough said

 

[Rustic]

Let's look at accidental gun death...as more Americans not only own more guns, but over 17 million Americans are now carrying guns.....

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html


2016 495
2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

I'm sure it's the answer to A point. I just don't think it's an answer to this one.
At best it means that gun safety lessons have become more effective.

Yes......it isn't the number of guns that causes gun death.....thanks for seeing the light...

So why do ALL developed nations have a LOWER amount of gun deaths per capita?

Suicides do not count...

I don't see why they don't count but it still doesn't make an iota of difference to the argument. The US comfortably leads in INTENTIONAL gun deaths too, among developed nations.

Na, not really.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Wait, criminals are obtaining and using weapons despite weapon control laws? Who could have predicted that?

it's shocking isn't it......they go to knives, bombs and cars, it's hilarious how the left thinks.....

 

[Grumblenuts]

Here's some facts:

"Republican support for tougher gun laws is at its highest point since Morning Consult and POLITICO began tracking the issue," said Dropp. "In this week's poll, 53 percent of Republicans indicated they supported stricter gun laws, compared to 37 percent [of Republicans] who said the same following the Pulse nightclub shooting in June 2016.”

Other polls show similar growth in support for additional gun restrictions — and that the growth comes mostly from Republicans and independents. A CBS News poll out late last week found 65 percent of Americans say the laws governing the sale of guns should be stricter — an increase of 8 points from last December, and the highest number CBS News has ever recorded for stricter gun laws.

While support was up 8 points overall, it was up 14 points among Republicans, compared with 8 points among independents and 2 points among Democrats.

Now that you've gone and bored the shit out of your base with your incessant bull. Go ahead. Keep it up. Spend all your millions. Doing the exact same. It's clearly working so well!

 

[BluesLegend]

Gun control advocates don't want to hear the facts, they just want to ban guns never mind what the facts are.

It is not and never was about guns.
It's about liberal elites jonesing to control YOUR life.

That's why they ignore facts and rational discussion.

 

[asaratis]

Look no further than London, England, where civilian firearm ownership is de facto banned. Heck, their dear leader had good common sense to ban not only firearms, but sharp, pointy objects as well.

Sorry, you just can't argue the good results, right?

Through March of 2018:

• The murder rate is up 44 percent over the last twelve months
• Violent crime is up 33% over the preceding twelve months
• Home robbery is also up, by a third
• Rape is up 18 percent

Guess those 100lb English ladies are finding the notion of fighting off a 250lb rapist with their fists to be a bit of a sticky wicket???

But hey, but at least there's no gun or knife crime, right?

• Knife crime up 21 percent
• Shootings up 23 percent from the previous year
• More

Hmm...

Well, we all know the only reason London sees this crime is because of all the lax gun laws in nearly Indiana...

Oh, wait. Crap. Never mind.

Hmms, so before last year England didn't have strict gun control? Your stats, which you didn't source btw all speak about an increase this year. How does that help your argument?

Gun control is in full swing and the situation is not improving. The opposite in fact.

The same is true of Chicago and other "gun free zones". You'd think the liberals would have gotten the message by now.

To understand their "logic", you must first understand that their goal is not to reduce crime but to disarm the American public.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Liberals think socialism will work...this time!

 

[Pop23]

Look no further than London, England, where civilian firearm ownership is de facto banned. Heck, their dear leader had good common sense to ban not only firearms, but sharp, pointy objects as well.

Sorry, you just can't argue the good results, right?

Through March of 2018:

• The murder rate is up 44 percent over the last twelve months
• Violent crime is up 33% over the preceding twelve months
• Home robbery is also up, by a third
• Rape is up 18 percent

Guess those 100lb English ladies are finding the notion of fighting off a 250lb rapist with their fists to be a bit of a sticky wicket???

But hey, but at least there's no gun or knife crime, right?

• Knife crime up 21 percent
• Shootings up 23 percent from the previous year
• More

Hmm...

Well, we all know the only reason London sees this crime is because of all the lax gun laws in nearly Indiana...

Oh, wait. Crap. Never mind.

Check the huge increase in rape in Australia as well.

Rapists love gun control as well as the support from the left.

Rape victims on the other hand

Not so much

 

[forkup]

I'm sure it's the answer to A point. I just don't think it's an answer to this one.
At best it means that gun safety lessons have become more effective.

Yes......it isn't the number of guns that causes gun death.....thanks for seeing the light...

So why do ALL developed nations have a LOWER amount of gun deaths per capita?

Suicides do not count...

I don't see why they don't count but it still doesn't make an iota of difference to the argument. The US comfortably leads in INTENTIONAL gun deaths too, among developed nations.

And the UK gun ban led to them leading in knifed to death deaths, do you think you can stop people from killing by banning their method?

If I give a statistic siting intentional homicide rates, something that the US leads in among developed nations, why do you think this excludes knives?List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

 

[forkup]

Look no further than London, England, where civilian firearm ownership is de facto banned. Heck, their dear leader had good common sense to ban not only firearms, but sharp, pointy objects as well.

Sorry, you just can't argue the good results, right?

Through March of 2018:

• The murder rate is up 44 percent over the last twelve months
• Violent crime is up 33% over the preceding twelve months
• Home robbery is also up, by a third
• Rape is up 18 percent

Guess those 100lb English ladies are finding the notion of fighting off a 250lb rapist with their fists to be a bit of a sticky wicket???

But hey, but at least there's no gun or knife crime, right?

• Knife crime up 21 percent
• Shootings up 23 percent from the previous year
• More

Hmm...

Well, we all know the only reason London sees this crime is because of all the lax gun laws in nearly Indiana...

Oh, wait. Crap. Never mind.

Socialist Europe is a fucked up place, I see why your ancestors left that cesspool of piss and shit...
Everyone gets a participation trophy for being a fuck up there...

Ever been to Europe? My guess is no.

Actually I’ve been there a number of times, far too much socialism for my liking.
I’ve been to a few gun manufacturing facilities over the years.
They hate firearms over there but they love the money they get from taxing the manufacturing of them over there… obviously that makes them hypocrites.

I like it fine here. And before you say it, yes I have a job, I actually work on average a 12 hour shift and about 20 weekends a year on top of that. As to hypocrisy. Sure we tax a lot. On the other hand if tomorrow something happens to me and I can't work. My kid can go to college still and I won't have to worry about feeding my family. Oh the horror.

Oh... the nanny state, I get it.
Enough said

Nanny state??? Oh you mean the nanny state for which I PAY high taxes? I think you don't actually understand that my government doesn't GIVE me anything. I work and in exchange they provide me and my family with security. Only an American thinks of taxes as a punishment instead as a way to fund a country.

 

[forkup]

Gun control advocates don't want to hear the facts, they just want to ban guns never mind what the facts are.

It is not and never was about guns.
It's about liberal elites jonesing to control YOUR life.

That's why they ignore facts and rational discussion.

I've given facts and am trying to have a rational discussion. So far nobody on your side is capable of give a reasoning why the US has the highest intentional homicide rate per capita, other then guns. This entire OP is started on a false premise to begin with. If a country has the highest amount of guns per capita, coupled with the highest amount of murders in the developed world, it seems highly rational to try to limit the availability of the premiere instrument that is used for these murders.

 

[bgrouse]

Gun control advocates don't want to hear the facts, they just want to ban guns never mind what the facts are.

It is not and never was about guns.
It's about liberal elites jonesing to control YOUR life.

That's why they ignore facts and rational discussion.

I've given facts and am trying to have a rational discussion. So far nobody on your side is capable of give a reasoning why the US has the highest intentional homicide rate per capita.

The US has the highest intentional homicide rate per capita? No it doesn't. Maybe that's why nobody can answer it, since answering it would require the taking of very potent mind altering drugs only you have.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Part of the blame for these mass shootings needs to be placed SQUARELY on the Left.

From a psychiatric POV, the Massive ATTENTION the Left gives these Desperate For Attention Maniacs all but Guarantees Copy Cat Tragedies.

The Left is playing right into the hands of the mentally ill. Shocking.

 

[forkup]

Gun control advocates don't want to hear the facts, they just want to ban guns never mind what the facts are.

It is not and never was about guns.
It's about liberal elites jonesing to control YOUR life.

That's why they ignore facts and rational discussion.

I've given facts and am trying to have a rational discussion. So far nobody on your side is capable of give a reasoning why the US has the highest intentional homicide rate per capita.

The US has the highest intentional homicide rate per capita? No it doesn't. Maybe that's why nobody can answer it, since answering it would require the taking of very potent mind altering drugs only you have.

If a country has the highest amount of guns per capita, coupled with the highest amount of murders in the developed world

Are you selectively quoting or didn't you read the entire reply?

 

[bgrouse]

Gun control advocates don't want to hear the facts, they just want to ban guns never mind what the facts are.

It is not and never was about guns.
It's about liberal elites jonesing to control YOUR life.

That's why they ignore facts and rational discussion.

I've given facts and am trying to have a rational discussion. So far nobody on your side is capable of give a reasoning why the US has the highest intentional homicide rate per capita.

The US has the highest intentional homicide rate per capita? No it doesn't. Maybe that's why nobody can answer it, since answering it would require the taking of very potent mind altering drugs only you have.

If a country has the highest amount of guns per capita, coupled with the highest amount of murders in the developed world

Are you selectively quoting or didn't you read the entire reply?

Nowhere in that quote was "developed" mentioned. That must have been an earlier post by you not included in the quote.

The answer is: it's the same reason you cherry-picked developed countries only. If we're talking about the same list, developed countries are generally those inhabited mostly by whites, with a few exceptions, like Japan, which was basically defeated and heavily influenced by whites from that point forward. There certainly aren't too many black or latino countries on the list. And this leads to my answer: the violence in the USA is disproportionately carried out by blacks and latinos, those same people who are incapable of turning their countrie s into developed nations. That's why we have more violence here: because too many inhabitants of the USA are blacks/latinos. You'll see this trend in developed Europe, too, with Switzerland having far more gun ownership and less homicide per capita. UK also has more blacks per capita than SUI, though not nearly as many as the USA.

 

[forkup]

It is not and never was about guns.
It's about liberal elites jonesing to control YOUR life.

That's why they ignore facts and rational discussion.

I've given facts and am trying to have a rational discussion. So far nobody on your side is capable of give a reasoning why the US has the highest intentional homicide rate per capita.

The US has the highest intentional homicide rate per capita? No it doesn't. Maybe that's why nobody can answer it, since answering it would require the taking of very potent mind altering drugs only you have.

If a country has the highest amount of guns per capita, coupled with the highest amount of murders in the developed world

Are you selectively quoting or didn't you read the entire reply?

Nowhere in that quote was "developed" mentioned. That must have been an earlier post by you not included in the quote.

The answer is: it's the same reason you cherry-picked developed countries only. If we're talking about the same list, developed countries are generally those inhabited mostly by whites, with a few exceptions, like Japan, which was basically defeated and heavily influenced by whites from that point forward. There certainly aren't too many black or latino countries on the list. And this leads to my answer: the violence in the USA is disproportionately carried out by blacks and latinos, those same people who are incapable of turning their countrie s into developed nations. That's why we have more violence here: because too many inhabitants of the USA are blacks/latinos. You'll see this trend in developed Europe, too, with Switzerland having far more gun ownership and less homicide per capita. UK also has more blacks per capita than SUI, though not nearly as many as the USA.

I've given facts and am trying to have a rational discussion. So far nobody on your side is capable of give a reasoning why the US has the highest intentional homicide rate per capita, other then guns. This entire OP is started on a false premise to begin with. If a country has the highest amount of guns per capita, coupled with the highest amount of murders in the developed world, it seems highly rational to try to limit the availability of the premiere instrument that is used for these murders.

I highlighted the phrase. As to the rest. As a citizen of Belgium we have much the same problem, although we exchange blacks and Latinos for North Africans. When you have a migrant minority this does tend to disproportionately make them turn up in crime statistics. It has to do with a less good economic situation coupled with racism and a smidge of cultural differences. The difference is they tend to commit crimes but NOT kill people. as to me cherry picking data. I don't think considering the proven correlation between crime and poverty not to mention war, it is unfair to not compare murder rates in places like Syria, Iran , Lesotho, etc. as a bad practice.

 

[debbiedowner]

 

[forkup]

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Why we are pro gun? Because as long as we can blame gun violence on bad parenting, mental health, the left, video games, violent movies, the decline of religion and the Easter bunny, we can keep gun manufacturers happy. Sorry I don't have a fancy meme but you get the idea.

 

[HenryBHough]

Check the huge increase in rape in Australia as well.

Rapists love gun control as well as the support from the left.

Rape victims on the other hand

Not so much

Consider, though, that for liberal women with unshaven arm pits who eschew deodorant that might be the only sex they ever get.....

Is it impossible that they might feel somewhat grateful?