Gun control working!

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    Look no further than London, England, where civilian firearm ownership is de facto banned. Heck, their dear leader had good common sense to ban not only firearms, but sharp, pointy objects as well.

    Sorry, you just can't argue the good results, right?

    Through March of 2018:
    • The murder rate is up 44 percent over the last twelve months
    • Violent crime is up 33% over the preceding twelve months
    • Home robbery is also up, by a third
    • Rape is up 18 percent

    Guess those 100lb English ladies are finding the notion of fighting off a 250lb rapist with their fists to be a bit of a sticky wicket???

    But hey, but at least there's no gun or knife crime, right?
    • Knife crime up 21 percent
    • Shootings up 23 percent from the previous year
    • More

    Hmm...

    Well, we all know the only reason London sees this crime is because of all the lax gun laws in nearly Indiana...

    Oh, wait. Crap. Never mind.
     
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    Wait, criminals are obtaining and using weapons despite weapon control laws? Who could have predicted that?
     
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    You won't change human behavior by banning guns.
     
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    Hmms, so before last year England didn't have strict gun control? Your stats, which you didn't source btw all speak about an increase this year. How does that help your argument?
     
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    They added new laws, try to keep up.
     
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    Gun control is in full swing and the situation is not improving. The opposite in fact.
     
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    Sure, what laws? How do they correlate to the statistics put up? How do they stack up against the rates in the US and why pick only the stats for a city and not for England? Oh and what's the source of these statistics. See one can prove anything by sufficiently cherry picking statistics, or for that matter lie about them by not sourcing.
     
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    We can change human behavior when we put our mind to it. Look at smoking cigarettes. It doesn't happen overnight, but it can happen. Too many people don't care that in this country we are shooting each other at an abysmal rate. I don't understand that for the life of me. Why don't they care?
     
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    Prove that it is a consequence of gun control and not another reason that crime in London is increasing? I've found that a better correlation for the increase in crime rates can usually be found in a downturn in the economic situation or in the case for something like a city a simple statistically anomaly, since the base numbers are small so a few incidents can skew the numbers. Or a number of different reasons like this one Budget cuts are driving violent crime, says Britain's most senior police officer
     
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    I'm not even going that far with it. I'm just pointing out that all the regulations you could ever ask for are in place yet the situation there is getting worse. The point is gun control doesn't stop criminals from committing crime. It just makes it harder for everyday people to fight back.
     
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