"Greatest Nation " Rhetoric Roars Back

[daveman]

They were killing French people.

When France lost, we stepped in and killed roughly four million "little yellow people" with our for-profit warfare.

Right?

Four million? The numbers I've seen do not agree. Link, please. And no Chomsky -- he lies.

"The Viet Cong and upon occasion the North Vietnamese Regulars would often wear civilian clothes. Civilians could thus be mistaken for a being a supporter of one side or the other and be shot. They were also sometimes killed simply for being caught up in a battle.

"South Vietnam suffered the majority of an estimated[1] 2,000,000 civilians killed this way[4]

"Rummel's review of the various data led to a mid-level estimate of 843,000 civilian deaths in both North and South Vietnam. The detailed Figures are not complete, but the mid-level R.J. Rummel estimates are that around 391,000 South Vietnamese civilians died. Another 643,000 died as the Communist North Vietnamese consolidated power.

"Rummel's low-level estimate was 361,000 South Vietnamese civilians and his high-estimate was 720,000.[9] Below is a loose outline of which forces caused these non-uniformed and civilian deaths.

"The Communist Vietnamese government in 1995 estimated that 2,000,000 Vietnamese civilians on both sides died in the war, but does not allocate these deaths between North and South Vietnam.[4] Rummel estimated (apart from the post 1975 communist power consolidation) that a low-level of 486,000 civilians died; the mid-level was 843,000, with a high level at 1,200,000.[10][4]"

Vietnam War - Wiki

Yeah. Now split out the number the United States directly killed.

You're pointing to people killed by North Vietnam and saying we're responsible. Dishonest, Red George. Dishonest.

 

[georgephillip]

The US invasion of South Vietnam was directly responsible for all violent deaths in South Vietnam during the occupation.

"North" Vietnam would not have been killing "South" Vietnamese regulars if the US had not been paying the "South" to fight.

 

[daveman]

The US invasion of South Vietnam was directly responsible for all violent deaths in South Vietnam during the occupation.

"North" Vietnam would not have been killing "South" Vietnamese regulars if the US had not been paying the "South" to fight.

Have you seen the numbers for the total killed after we left? I suppose you want to blame that on us, too, huh?

Oh, those poor peaceful Communists. They would never hurt a fly. The big bad mean ol' United States MADE them do it.

You've been programmed well by Chomsky. Mindless parrot.

 

[georgephillip]

Of course not, daveman.

No more than we are responsible for Agent Orange birth defects in South Vietnam.

Right?

 

[daveman]

Of course not, daveman.

No more than we are responsible for Agent Orange birth defects in South Vietnam.

Right?

For someone who claims to oppose Communism, you sure do spend a lot of time defending it, Red George.

 

[georgephillip]

What does US responsibility for Agent Orange-induced birth defects have to do with "supporting communism?"