"Greatest Nation " Rhetoric Roars Back

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    Robert Jensen takes exception to a recent column by the National Review's Rich Lowry:

    "Yes, the Greatest Country Ever
    "Our greatness is simply a fact.

    "When the likes of Marco Rubio, the new Republican senator from Florida, say this is the greatest country ever, sophisticated opinion-makers cluck and roll their eyes. What a noxious tea-party nostrum. How chauvinistic. What hubris..."

    Jensen counters by saying "...any claim to being the greatest nation is depraved and dangerous, especially when made in the empire"

    "Sign of pathology

    Imagine your child, let's call him Joe, made the declaration, 'I am the greatest 10-year-old on earth.'

    "If you were a loving parent, interested in helping your child develop into a decent person, what would you say? Let's assume you believe Joe to be a perfectly lovely boy, maybe even gifted in many ways.

    "Would you indulge him in that fantasy? Most of us would not...

    "Now, if Joe makes it to adulthood and continues to claim he is the greatest, we would come to one of two conclusions (assuming he's not saying it just to hype the sales of his book or sell tickets to some event): Either he is mentally unstable or he's an asshole..."

    In his article, Jensen links to a pair of chapters in his book, "Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to Claim Our Humanity."

    In order to bolster his analysis of claims to US national greatness that celebrate our history of coercion and violence:

    "Such claims ignore the complexity of societies and life within them. Even societies that do great things can have serious problems.

    "We are all aware that a person with admirable qualities in one realm can have quite tragic flaws in another. The same is true of nations.

    "Constant claims to being the greatest reveal a pathology in the national character.

    "Crucially, that pathology is most dangerous in nations with great economic or military power (which tend to be the ones that most consistently make such claims).

    "That is, the nations that claim to be great are usually the ones that can enforce their greatness through coercion and violence."
     
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    Well apparently the Democrat Party Controllers are saying that your Lord and Savior Obama is channeling Reagan so you better start believing in "American Exceptionalism" right away hombre.
     
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    The left doesn't think in terms of politicions being "demi Gods".

    A quarter of Republicans believe Obama is the "Anti Christ". Because they think that way, you can't assume the left does also.
     
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    Can you say that with a straight face? I want to see your face so I know you're not toying with us! When uttered by you, who spent months flooding this site with pro-Obama garbage while at the same time digging up insane crap about Palin and Cheney, it shoot past the ironimeter straight into fucking schizophrenialand.
     
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    I don't think Reagan or Obama would differ in their public opinions of this quote from Jensen's article:

    "But from the beginning the new American experiment was also bathed in blood. The land base of the new nation was secured by a genocide that was almost successful.

    "Depending on the estimate one uses for the pre-contact population of the continent (the number of people here before Columbus) -12 million is a conservative estimate - the extermination rate was from 95 to 99 percent.

    "That is to say, by the end of the Indian wars at the close of the 19th century, the European invaders had successfully eliminated almost the entire indigenous population (or the 'merciless Indian Savages' as they are labeled in the Declaration of Independence).[2] Let's call that the first American holocaust."

    Reagan and Obama are corporate creations whose principle loyalty is to those who earn the most from war and private bond markets.

    Greatest Nation...
     
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    Of course I can say it with a straight face. The right is 90% white and mostly Christians. The left is "everyone else". The left has to work through building coalitions. Not so with the right. They follow their leaders.

    Ask people in the right wing base:

    Do you support the apology to BP
    Do you support another trillion in tax cuts for billionaires
    Do you feel it was right holding millions of unemployed hostage to get tax cuts for billionaires
    Do you feel Wall Street should be regulated
    Should we cut benefits for the elderly and cut taxes for the rich at the same time
    Do you feel we should cut funding for education
    Do you feel we should move more jobs to China

    You will get a resounding "NO!" Yet, these are clearly the positions of the Republican leadership. It's not like they hide it. Because they know that the base is terrified of the black guy in the WHITE House. Of course, race has nothing to do with it.
     
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    How did you like Obama re-authorizing The Patriot Act?
    How do like Obama's plans for continuing the Bush Taxcuts?
    How do you like the fact that Obama keeps us in Iraq and Afghanistan with our Army helping the local farmers grow opium?

    As far as channeling Reagan, what do you think he should do next?

    He's started pretty good with corporate welfare, giving exemptions from ObamaCare to big business. I know you just love that don't cha? :lol:

    Now that Obama is Reagan, can we blame AIDS on him?
     
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    From April 13, 1996

    "And I should say that cutting of social spending- social spending is being cut very sharply, very much over public opposition.

    "At the time of the 1994 Congressional election -- you know, the big landslide -- over 60% of the public wanted social spending to increase.

    'Ok. It went very sharply down.

    "What about the Pentagon spending going up? Well that's- the public is 6 to 1 opposed to that, which gives you some- one- it's one aspect of a big picture about what's happening to American democracy, and somewhat of a change, not a huge change.

    "The- so one part of the system is going up: Pentagon spending. Another part is going down: social spending."

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    Exposure to new diseases killed more Indians than bullets.
     
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    First American Holocaust:

    "See Ward Churchill, A Little Matter of Genocide (San Francisco: City Lights Books, 1997). Churchill argues persuasively that the fact that a large number of those indigenous people died of disease doesn't absolve white America.

    "Sometimes those diseases were spread intentionally, and even when that wasn't the case the white invaders did nothing to curtail contact with Indians to limit the destruction.

    "Whether the Indians died in war or from disease, starvation and exposure, white society remained culpable."

    Greatest Nation...
     

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