Gov't Forces Christians To Violate Faith

[Dragonlady]

Christians passive refusal to promote homosexuality is not protected Constitutionally in the public forum.

Do you agree that Christians' refusal to promote homosexuality is a function of their religion?

Do you agree that the Constitution, Amendment 1, says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..."?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

This is the very shit and hypocrisy that irks me!

Law of the land, eh...

Right, when it comes to religion, religious convictions
a business owner must follow the law of the land...

yet, when it comes to sanctuary cities and 'medical marijuana'
they are exempt from drug and immigration laws

yet, when it comes to atheists or non believers,
public displays which are symbolic of Christianity
are somehow a violation of their 'rights'.

yet, when it comes to saying,
God bless you or Merry Christmas,
it is politically incorrect

yet, its not discriminatory if a company doesn't even have to
consider you for employment based on being a convicted felon...
regardless that everyone makes mistakes

yet, when it comes to Muslims, employers and schools
are violating their religious freedom
if their policies infringe upon their beliefs and obligations

Fuck you people!

A gay consumer is free to take their business elsewhere!
Instead of being a bitch and filing a lawsuit, because, boo hoo,
somebody doesn't approve of gay marriage....
TAKE YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS ELSEWHERE!

How is it, everyone else's 'rights' are violated
except for those who believe in the God and Father of Jesus?

Sacrificing one persons rights, so as not to,
'violate' another's, is totally insane and ass backwards.

I don't have to accept gay marriage, anymore then,
having to accept men beating up on women,
women neglecting and abusing their children,
animal cruelty, litterbugs or pedophiles!

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible

First of all, racism, being racist, is based on color idiot

Bigot

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Intolerant

not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

Tolerant

showing willingness to allow the existence of
opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.


How is it, people are bigots if they don't accept homosexuality
but, those who are gay or fine with it, aren't considered bigots
for not accepting, those who don't accept homosexuality?

Funny how having moral or ethical opinions is bigotry,
and perversion and passions are protected rights!

Be gay, I don't fucking care....
forcing it on society is what I have a problem with!

When Christians want to use the bible to discriminate against blacks and interracial couples, we call them what? Why is it different when it's gays? Why do believe that people that "don't accept homosexuality" should get special exemptions from our laws?

homosexuals aren't black nor are they in any way similar; they're just mentally ill and self-destructive sexual fetishists, not a 'minority', and were never deprived of any Constitutional rights of any kind. Your silly meme has no relevance, and never did.

And here we have it. This isn't about Christianity at all, it's about bigotry. If your church teaches you to hate homosexuals, you're church is teaching hate, not love. Jesus said "Love one another as I have loved you". He didn't qualify that by saying "love straight white people as I have loved you". There were no limits or qualifications on loving one another. YOU put that limit there.

It can reasonably be argues that bigotry and hate are a form of mental illness because homosexuality most definitely is not. There have been homosexuals in every society, in every culture, at every time in history. Research tells us that people really are born this way. So if you believe that God doesn't make mistakes, then God made homosexuals for a reason. As Jesus said "If you do this to the least among you, you do it to me", so by turning away gays, and refusing them service, you are turning away the Lord.

Jesus did not teach people to discriminate against the outcasts of society, he ministered to them. They were his friends and his disciples, not the rich, not the powerful, and not those who feigned a love of God while treating others with disdain.

 

[Picaro]

Do you agree that Christians' refusal to promote homosexuality is a function of their religion?

Do you agree that the Constitution, Amendment 1, says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..."?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

This is the very shit and hypocrisy that irks me!

Law of the land, eh...

Right, when it comes to religion, religious convictions
a business owner must follow the law of the land...

yet, when it comes to sanctuary cities and 'medical marijuana'
they are exempt from drug and immigration laws

yet, when it comes to atheists or non believers,
public displays which are symbolic of Christianity
are somehow a violation of their 'rights'.

yet, when it comes to saying,
God bless you or Merry Christmas,
it is politically incorrect

yet, its not discriminatory if a company doesn't even have to
consider you for employment based on being a convicted felon...
regardless that everyone makes mistakes

yet, when it comes to Muslims, employers and schools
are violating their religious freedom
if their policies infringe upon their beliefs and obligations

Fuck you people!

A gay consumer is free to take their business elsewhere!
Instead of being a bitch and filing a lawsuit, because, boo hoo,
somebody doesn't approve of gay marriage....
TAKE YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS ELSEWHERE!

How is it, everyone else's 'rights' are violated
except for those who believe in the God and Father of Jesus?

Sacrificing one persons rights, so as not to,
'violate' another's, is totally insane and ass backwards.

I don't have to accept gay marriage, anymore then,
having to accept men beating up on women,
women neglecting and abusing their children,
animal cruelty, litterbugs or pedophiles!

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible

First of all, racism, being racist, is based on color idiot

Bigot

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Intolerant

not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

Tolerant

showing willingness to allow the existence of
opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.


How is it, people are bigots if they don't accept homosexuality
but, those who are gay or fine with it, aren't considered bigots
for not accepting, those who don't accept homosexuality?

Funny how having moral or ethical opinions is bigotry,
and perversion and passions are protected rights!

Be gay, I don't fucking care....
forcing it on society is what I have a problem with!

When Christians want to use the bible to discriminate against blacks and interracial couples, we call them what? Why is it different when it's gays? Why do believe that people that "don't accept homosexuality" should get special exemptions from our laws?

homosexuals aren't black nor are they in any way similar; they're just mentally ill and self-destructive sexual fetishists, not a 'minority', and were never deprived of any Constitutional rights of any kind. Your silly meme has no relevance, and never did.

We're not discussing your ignorant and backwards opinions on gays, we're talking about using the bible to discriminate. Racist Christians tried to use the bible to carve out exemptions for their racism to US laws. They have biblical support, just like anti gay bigots. Why should one group of bigots be able to discriminate using religion and not another? (There's a real easy "out" for you)

My opinions are based on facts, unlike your propaganda memes, and it's still a ways off before your sicko freak shows shut down any opposition from speaking out about your ridiculous hoax of a 'rights movement', so you'll just have to live with it for a while longer. Too bad your fan clubs are also big fans of Islam and Sharia Law, so when you do get rid of sanity and Da Evul Xians hope you like wearing your new rainbow flag burkha when you get sent flying off some skyscraper downtown.

 

[Seawytch]

I still can't work out why same sex people need to marry each other.

It's because the law doesn't recognize a couple's rights without marriage. If your husband or wife is sick or unconscious, you have the right to decide their care if they can't. If your same sex partner is ill, you have no rights to decide their care. If a family member comes in, they can decide their care and throw you out. It happens A LOT at the end of life.

Family members hate that their child is gay, and throw out the same sex partner, and take over their loved one's care, and the partner, who may have lived with them for 20, 30 or more years, has no rights.

Mentally ill people need others to look out for them, so this is the way it should be.

Marriage changes everything.

They aren't real marriages, they're just agitprop and attention whoring nonsense. Few are actually interested in 'marriage', and far fewer ever have long term relationships. your premise is a fake meme. they never concerned themselves with any of this until the self-inflicted AIDS crisis generated a need to get some of their fellow deviants insurance, so hence the sudden concern to peddle the 'marriage' hoax, just a way to scam health insurance companies.

My wife and I have been together 21 years and have two children. The overwhelming majority of our gay friends are also raising children in long term relationships. You straight folks divorce at a rate of over 50%. You're not being very good role models. My daughter only has one friend whose parents are still together and my son has none. You heterosexual need to do better.

 

[Seawytch]

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

This is the very shit and hypocrisy that irks me!

Law of the land, eh...

Right, when it comes to religion, religious convictions
a business owner must follow the law of the land...

yet, when it comes to sanctuary cities and 'medical marijuana'
they are exempt from drug and immigration laws

yet, when it comes to atheists or non believers,
public displays which are symbolic of Christianity
are somehow a violation of their 'rights'.

yet, when it comes to saying,
God bless you or Merry Christmas,
it is politically incorrect

yet, its not discriminatory if a company doesn't even have to
consider you for employment based on being a convicted felon...
regardless that everyone makes mistakes

yet, when it comes to Muslims, employers and schools
are violating their religious freedom
if their policies infringe upon their beliefs and obligations

Fuck you people!

A gay consumer is free to take their business elsewhere!
Instead of being a bitch and filing a lawsuit, because, boo hoo,
somebody doesn't approve of gay marriage....
TAKE YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS ELSEWHERE!

How is it, everyone else's 'rights' are violated
except for those who believe in the God and Father of Jesus?

Sacrificing one persons rights, so as not to,
'violate' another's, is totally insane and ass backwards.

I don't have to accept gay marriage, anymore then,
having to accept men beating up on women,
women neglecting and abusing their children,
animal cruelty, litterbugs or pedophiles!

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible

First of all, racism, being racist, is based on color idiot

Bigot

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Intolerant

not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

Tolerant

showing willingness to allow the existence of
opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.


How is it, people are bigots if they don't accept homosexuality
but, those who are gay or fine with it, aren't considered bigots
for not accepting, those who don't accept homosexuality?

Funny how having moral or ethical opinions is bigotry,
and perversion and passions are protected rights!

Be gay, I don't fucking care....
forcing it on society is what I have a problem with!

When Christians want to use the bible to discriminate against blacks and interracial couples, we call them what? Why is it different when it's gays? Why do believe that people that "don't accept homosexuality" should get special exemptions from our laws?

homosexuals aren't black nor are they in any way similar; they're just mentally ill and self-destructive sexual fetishists, not a 'minority', and were never deprived of any Constitutional rights of any kind. Your silly meme has no relevance, and never did.

We're not discussing your ignorant and backwards opinions on gays, we're talking about using the bible to discriminate. Racist Christians tried to use the bible to carve out exemptions for their racism to US laws. They have biblical support, just like anti gay bigots. Why should one group of bigots be able to discriminate using religion and not another? (There's a real easy "out" for you)

My opinions are based on facts, unlike your propaganda memes, and it's still a ways off before your sicko freak shows shut down any opposition from speaking out about your ridiculous hoax of a 'rights movement', so you'll just have to live with it for a while longer. Too bad your fan clubs are also big fans of Islam and Sharia Law, so when you do get rid of sanity and Da Evul Xians hope you like wearing your new rainbow flag burkha when you get sent flying off some skyscraper downtown.

You have yet to provide any facts, just your feelings about gays.

 

[Picaro]

Do you agree that Christians' refusal to promote homosexuality is a function of their religion?

Do you agree that the Constitution, Amendment 1, says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..."?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

This is the very shit and hypocrisy that irks me!

Law of the land, eh...

Right, when it comes to religion, religious convictions
a business owner must follow the law of the land...

yet, when it comes to sanctuary cities and 'medical marijuana'
they are exempt from drug and immigration laws

yet, when it comes to atheists or non believers,
public displays which are symbolic of Christianity
are somehow a violation of their 'rights'.

yet, when it comes to saying,
God bless you or Merry Christmas,
it is politically incorrect

yet, its not discriminatory if a company doesn't even have to
consider you for employment based on being a convicted felon...
regardless that everyone makes mistakes

yet, when it comes to Muslims, employers and schools
are violating their religious freedom
if their policies infringe upon their beliefs and obligations

Fuck you people!

A gay consumer is free to take their business elsewhere!
Instead of being a bitch and filing a lawsuit, because, boo hoo,
somebody doesn't approve of gay marriage....
TAKE YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS ELSEWHERE!

How is it, everyone else's 'rights' are violated
except for those who believe in the God and Father of Jesus?

Sacrificing one persons rights, so as not to,
'violate' another's, is totally insane and ass backwards.

I don't have to accept gay marriage, anymore then,
having to accept men beating up on women,
women neglecting and abusing their children,
animal cruelty, litterbugs or pedophiles!

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible

First of all, racism, being racist, is based on color idiot

Bigot

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Intolerant

not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

Tolerant

showing willingness to allow the existence of
opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.


How is it, people are bigots if they don't accept homosexuality
but, those who are gay or fine with it, aren't considered bigots
for not accepting, those who don't accept homosexuality?

Funny how having moral or ethical opinions is bigotry,
and perversion and passions are protected rights!

Be gay, I don't fucking care....
forcing it on society is what I have a problem with!

When Christians want to use the bible to discriminate against blacks and interracial couples, we call them what? Why is it different when it's gays? Why do believe that people that "don't accept homosexuality" should get special exemptions from our laws?

homosexuals aren't black nor are they in any way similar; they're just mentally ill and self-destructive sexual fetishists, not a 'minority', and were never deprived of any Constitutional rights of any kind. Your silly meme has no relevance, and never did.

And here we have it. This isn't about Christianity at all, it's about bigotry. If your church teaches you to hate homosexuals, you're church is teaching hate, not love. Jesus said "Love one another as I have loved you". He didn't qualify that by saying "love straight white people as I have loved you". There were no limits or qualifications on loving one another. YOU put that limit there.

It can reasonably be argues that bigotry and hate are a form of mental illness because homosexuality most definitely is not. There have been homosexuals in every society, in every culture, at every time in history. Research tells us that people really are born this way. So if you believe that God doesn't make mistakes, then God made homosexuals for a reason. As Jesus said "If you do this to the least among you, you do it to me", so by turning away gays, and refusing them service, you are turning away the Lord.

Jesus did not teach people to discriminate against the outcasts of society, he ministered to them. They were his friends and his disciples, not the rich, not the powerful, and not those who feigned a love of God while treating others with disdain.

I'm not a Christian so you'll just have to save your fake Teachable Moments for somebody else. And no they aren't' 'born that way' that's just fake news' if you had ever actually read any of the research on it you wouldn't be saying it here; you just like the sound of it and it fits your narcissistic self-image.

 

[Picaro]

I still can't work out why same sex people need to marry each other.

It's because the law doesn't recognize a couple's rights without marriage. If your husband or wife is sick or unconscious, you have the right to decide their care if they can't. If your same sex partner is ill, you have no rights to decide their care. If a family member comes in, they can decide their care and throw you out. It happens A LOT at the end of life.

Family members hate that their child is gay, and throw out the same sex partner, and take over their loved one's care, and the partner, who may have lived with them for 20, 30 or more years, has no rights.

Mentally ill people need others to look out for them, so this is the way it should be.

Marriage changes everything.

They aren't real marriages, they're just agitprop and attention whoring nonsense. Few are actually interested in 'marriage', and far fewer ever have long term relationships. your premise is a fake meme. they never concerned themselves with any of this until the self-inflicted AIDS crisis generated a need to get some of their fellow deviants insurance, so hence the sudden concern to peddle the 'marriage' hoax, just a way to scam health insurance companies.

My wife and I have been together 21 years and have two children. The overwhelming majority of our gay friends are also raising children in long term relationships. You straight folks divorce at a rate of over 50%. You're not being very good role models. My daughter only has one friend whose parents are still together and my son has none. You heterosexual need to do better.

Yeah sure, you're so special, since less than 1% of homosexual have anything like long term relationships. And, divorce rates among heterosexuals doesn't help your case, since your own stats claim heteros have far more long term relationships, and Christians themselves, those that actually attend church have far higher rates of long term marriages, so your fake stats massaging goes nowhere. You're no 'role model' for anybody, except in the sense that the Borgias were 'good role models' for tyrants or something. Your children are going to be screwed up messes like the majority of the rest who were raised by mentally ill parents.

 

[keepitreal]

Christians passive refusal to promote homosexuality is not protected Constitutionally in the public forum.

Do you agree that Christians' refusal to promote homosexuality is a function of their religion?

Do you agree that the Constitution, Amendment 1, says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..."?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

This is the very shit and hypocrisy that irks me!

Law of the land, eh...

Right, when it comes to religion, religious convictions
a business owner must follow the law of the land...

yet, when it comes to sanctuary cities and 'medical marijuana'
they are exempt from drug and immigration laws

yet, when it comes to atheists or non believers,
public displays which are symbolic of Christianity
are somehow a violation of their 'rights'.

yet, when it comes to saying,
God bless you or Merry Christmas,
it is politically incorrect

yet, its not discriminatory if a company doesn't even have to
consider you for employment based on being a convicted felon...
regardless that everyone makes mistakes

yet, when it comes to Muslims, employers and schools
are violating their religious freedom
if their policies infringe upon their beliefs and obligations

Fuck you people!

A gay consumer is free to take their business elsewhere!
Instead of being a bitch and filing a lawsuit, because, boo hoo,
somebody doesn't approve of gay marriage....
TAKE YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS ELSEWHERE!

How is it, everyone else's 'rights' are violated
except for those who believe in the God and Father of Jesus?

Sacrificing one persons rights, so as not to,
'violate' another's, is totally insane and ass backwards.

I don't have to accept gay marriage, anymore then,
having to accept men beating up on women,
women neglecting and abusing their children,
animal cruelty, litterbugs or pedophiles!

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible

First of all, racism, being racist, is based on color idiot

Bigot

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Intolerant

not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

Tolerant

showing willingness to allow the existence of
opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.


How is it, people are bigots if they don't accept homosexuality
but, those who are gay or fine with it, aren't considered bigots
for not accepting, those who don't accept homosexuality?

Funny how having moral or ethical opinions is bigotry,
and perversion and passions are protected rights!

Be gay, I don't fucking care....
forcing it on society is what I have a problem with!

I'm sorry you don't understand that racism is a lot deeper than color.

I'm sorry you don't understand that racism is a lot deeper than color.

I'm sorry, racism and accountability are two different things...
blaming everything on racism is played out already!

 

[Seawytch]

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

This is the very shit and hypocrisy that irks me!

Law of the land, eh...

Right, when it comes to religion, religious convictions
a business owner must follow the law of the land...

yet, when it comes to sanctuary cities and 'medical marijuana'
they are exempt from drug and immigration laws

yet, when it comes to atheists or non believers,
public displays which are symbolic of Christianity
are somehow a violation of their 'rights'.

yet, when it comes to saying,
God bless you or Merry Christmas,
it is politically incorrect

yet, its not discriminatory if a company doesn't even have to
consider you for employment based on being a convicted felon...
regardless that everyone makes mistakes

yet, when it comes to Muslims, employers and schools
are violating their religious freedom
if their policies infringe upon their beliefs and obligations

Fuck you people!

A gay consumer is free to take their business elsewhere!
Instead of being a bitch and filing a lawsuit, because, boo hoo,
somebody doesn't approve of gay marriage....
TAKE YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS ELSEWHERE!

How is it, everyone else's 'rights' are violated
except for those who believe in the God and Father of Jesus?

Sacrificing one persons rights, so as not to,
'violate' another's, is totally insane and ass backwards.

I don't have to accept gay marriage, anymore then,
having to accept men beating up on women,
women neglecting and abusing their children,
animal cruelty, litterbugs or pedophiles!

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible

First of all, racism, being racist, is based on color idiot

Bigot

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Intolerant

not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

Tolerant

showing willingness to allow the existence of
opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.


How is it, people are bigots if they don't accept homosexuality
but, those who are gay or fine with it, aren't considered bigots
for not accepting, those who don't accept homosexuality?

Funny how having moral or ethical opinions is bigotry,
and perversion and passions are protected rights!

Be gay, I don't fucking care....
forcing it on society is what I have a problem with!

When Christians want to use the bible to discriminate against blacks and interracial couples, we call them what? Why is it different when it's gays? Why do believe that people that "don't accept homosexuality" should get special exemptions from our laws?

homosexuals aren't black nor are they in any way similar; they're just mentally ill and self-destructive sexual fetishists, not a 'minority', and were never deprived of any Constitutional rights of any kind. Your silly meme has no relevance, and never did.

And here we have it. This isn't about Christianity at all, it's about bigotry. If your church teaches you to hate homosexuals, you're church is teaching hate, not love. Jesus said "Love one another as I have loved you". He didn't qualify that by saying "love straight white people as I have loved you". There were no limits or qualifications on loving one another. YOU put that limit there.

It can reasonably be argues that bigotry and hate are a form of mental illness because homosexuality most definitely is not. There have been homosexuals in every society, in every culture, at every time in history. Research tells us that people really are born this way. So if you believe that God doesn't make mistakes, then God made homosexuals for a reason. As Jesus said "If you do this to the least among you, you do it to me", so by turning away gays, and refusing them service, you are turning away the Lord.

Jesus did not teach people to discriminate against the outcasts of society, he ministered to them. They were his friends and his disciples, not the rich, not the powerful, and not those who feigned a love of God while treating others with disdain.

I'm not a Christian so you'll just have to save your fake Teachable Moments for somebody else. And no they aren't' 'born that way' that's just fake news' if you had ever actually read any of the research on it you wouldn't be saying it here; you just like the sound of it and it fits your narcissistic self-image.

You have obviously not read any of the actual research. What you get at NARTH is not research.

Being Gay is Not a Choice

 

[Seawytch]

I still can't work out why same sex people need to marry each other.

It's because the law doesn't recognize a couple's rights without marriage. If your husband or wife is sick or unconscious, you have the right to decide their care if they can't. If your same sex partner is ill, you have no rights to decide their care. If a family member comes in, they can decide their care and throw you out. It happens A LOT at the end of life.

Family members hate that their child is gay, and throw out the same sex partner, and take over their loved one's care, and the partner, who may have lived with them for 20, 30 or more years, has no rights.

Mentally ill people need others to look out for them, so this is the way it should be.

Marriage changes everything.

They aren't real marriages, they're just agitprop and attention whoring nonsense. Few are actually interested in 'marriage', and far fewer ever have long term relationships. your premise is a fake meme. they never concerned themselves with any of this until the self-inflicted AIDS crisis generated a need to get some of their fellow deviants insurance, so hence the sudden concern to peddle the 'marriage' hoax, just a way to scam health insurance companies.

My wife and I have been together 21 years and have two children. The overwhelming majority of our gay friends are also raising children in long term relationships. You straight folks divorce at a rate of over 50%. You're not being very good role models. My daughter only has one friend whose parents are still together and my son has none. You heterosexual need to do better.

Yeah sure, you're so special, since less than 1% of homosexual have anything like long term relationships. And, divorce rates among heterosexuals doesn't help your case, since your own stats claim heteros have far more long term relationships, and Christians themselves, those that actually attend church have far higher rates of long term marriages, so your fake stats massaging goes nowhere. You're no 'role model' for anybody, except in the sense that the Borgias were 'good role models' for tyrants or something. Your children are going to be screwed up messes like the majority of the rest who were raised by mentally ill parents.

Come on, you hets have been doing this for centuries...you should be getting better, not worse. Maybe you need gays to show you how to do this marriage thing right?

 

[Dragonlady]

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

This is the very shit and hypocrisy that irks me!

Law of the land, eh...

Right, when it comes to religion, religious convictions
a business owner must follow the law of the land...

yet, when it comes to sanctuary cities and 'medical marijuana'
they are exempt from drug and immigration laws

yet, when it comes to atheists or non believers,
public displays which are symbolic of Christianity
are somehow a violation of their 'rights'.

yet, when it comes to saying,
God bless you or Merry Christmas,
it is politically incorrect

yet, its not discriminatory if a company doesn't even have to
consider you for employment based on being a convicted felon...
regardless that everyone makes mistakes

yet, when it comes to Muslims, employers and schools
are violating their religious freedom
if their policies infringe upon their beliefs and obligations

Fuck you people!

A gay consumer is free to take their business elsewhere!
Instead of being a bitch and filing a lawsuit, because, boo hoo,
somebody doesn't approve of gay marriage....
TAKE YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS ELSEWHERE!

How is it, everyone else's 'rights' are violated
except for those who believe in the God and Father of Jesus?

Sacrificing one persons rights, so as not to,
'violate' another's, is totally insane and ass backwards.

I don't have to accept gay marriage, anymore then,
having to accept men beating up on women,
women neglecting and abusing their children,
animal cruelty, litterbugs or pedophiles!

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible

First of all, racism, being racist, is based on color idiot

Bigot

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Intolerant

not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

Tolerant

showing willingness to allow the existence of
opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.


How is it, people are bigots if they don't accept homosexuality
but, those who are gay or fine with it, aren't considered bigots
for not accepting, those who don't accept homosexuality?

Funny how having moral or ethical opinions is bigotry,
and perversion and passions are protected rights!

Be gay, I don't fucking care....
forcing it on society is what I have a problem with!

When Christians want to use the bible to discriminate against blacks and interracial couples, we call them what? Why is it different when it's gays? Why do believe that people that "don't accept homosexuality" should get special exemptions from our laws?

homosexuals aren't black nor are they in any way similar; they're just mentally ill and self-destructive sexual fetishists, not a 'minority', and were never deprived of any Constitutional rights of any kind. Your silly meme has no relevance, and never did.

We're not discussing your ignorant and backwards opinions on gays, we're talking about using the bible to discriminate. Racist Christians tried to use the bible to carve out exemptions for their racism to US laws. They have biblical support, just like anti gay bigots. Why should one group of bigots be able to discriminate using religion and not another? (There's a real easy "out" for you)

My opinions are based on facts, unlike your propaganda memes, and it's still a ways off before your sicko freak shows shut down any opposition from speaking out about your ridiculous hoax of a 'rights movement', so you'll just have to live with it for a while longer. Too bad your fan clubs are also big fans of Islam and Sharia Law, so when you do get rid of sanity and Da Evul Xians hope you like wearing your new rainbow flag burkha when you get sent flying off some skyscraper downtown.

"Facts"??? What facts are you basing your bigotry on? Let's try to discuss this without your "alternative facts", aka "lies".

Here's a reality check for you. No one who arranges flowers attends a wedding. They take the flowers to the venue, set them up and LEAVE, long before the guest start to arrive. There is no requirement that the person who baked the cake, or arranged the flowers, or provides any other service that the wedding requires, to attend or participate in the wedding. In fact, at $20+ per plate, I don't want to feed anyone who isn't an acutal guest.

If you have a religious objection to gays marrying on the basis of the Bible, I want to know if you have a religious objection to providing flowers for a 2nd marriage, since the Bible calls such marriages "adultery" and says adulterers should be stoned. And now for a disgression. Why are only female adulterers the only ones being stoned in the Bible? I cannot recall a single instance of male adulterers being stoned, only the women.

So Christians will assist adulterers, even though that's one of the Big 10 sins, but the won't assist homosexuals even though Jesus never even mentioned homosexuality in the Bible, nor is it covered in the 10 Commandments, but they won't assist homosexuals because it's a sin. Can you say "hypocritical"?

The Bible has a real hate on for adultery, which was punished by a long and painful death by stoning, and yet we don't stone adulterers today. When your brother dies, you don't marry his wife. And we don't make blood sacrifices, and consider it barbaric. The Bible doesn't speak out against slavery either, and we now think it is abhorrent.

So trying to justify refusal to deliver flowers to a gay wedding on religious grounds is just the biggest hypocrisy ever. NO ONE who legitimately is a Christian, would EVER treat another person so badly. It would violate everything that Jesus taught us.

 

[Seawytch]

This is the very shit and hypocrisy that irks me!

Law of the land, eh...

Right, when it comes to religion, religious convictions
a business owner must follow the law of the land...

yet, when it comes to sanctuary cities and 'medical marijuana'
they are exempt from drug and immigration laws

yet, when it comes to atheists or non believers,
public displays which are symbolic of Christianity
are somehow a violation of their 'rights'.

yet, when it comes to saying,
God bless you or Merry Christmas,
it is politically incorrect

yet, its not discriminatory if a company doesn't even have to
consider you for employment based on being a convicted felon...
regardless that everyone makes mistakes

yet, when it comes to Muslims, employers and schools
are violating their religious freedom
if their policies infringe upon their beliefs and obligations

Fuck you people!

A gay consumer is free to take their business elsewhere!
Instead of being a bitch and filing a lawsuit, because, boo hoo,
somebody doesn't approve of gay marriage....
TAKE YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS ELSEWHERE!

How is it, everyone else's 'rights' are violated
except for those who believe in the God and Father of Jesus?

Sacrificing one persons rights, so as not to,
'violate' another's, is totally insane and ass backwards.

I don't have to accept gay marriage, anymore then,
having to accept men beating up on women,
women neglecting and abusing their children,
animal cruelty, litterbugs or pedophiles!
First of all, racism, being racist, is based on color idiot

Bigot

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Intolerant

not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

Tolerant

showing willingness to allow the existence of
opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.


How is it, people are bigots if they don't accept homosexuality
but, those who are gay or fine with it, aren't considered bigots
for not accepting, those who don't accept homosexuality?

Funny how having moral or ethical opinions is bigotry,
and perversion and passions are protected rights!

Be gay, I don't fucking care....
forcing it on society is what I have a problem with!

When Christians want to use the bible to discriminate against blacks and interracial couples, we call them what? Why is it different when it's gays? Why do believe that people that "don't accept homosexuality" should get special exemptions from our laws?

homosexuals aren't black nor are they in any way similar; they're just mentally ill and self-destructive sexual fetishists, not a 'minority', and were never deprived of any Constitutional rights of any kind. Your silly meme has no relevance, and never did.

We're not discussing your ignorant and backwards opinions on gays, we're talking about using the bible to discriminate. Racist Christians tried to use the bible to carve out exemptions for their racism to US laws. They have biblical support, just like anti gay bigots. Why should one group of bigots be able to discriminate using religion and not another? (There's a real easy "out" for you)

My opinions are based on facts, unlike your propaganda memes, and it's still a ways off before your sicko freak shows shut down any opposition from speaking out about your ridiculous hoax of a 'rights movement', so you'll just have to live with it for a while longer. Too bad your fan clubs are also big fans of Islam and Sharia Law, so when you do get rid of sanity and Da Evul Xians hope you like wearing your new rainbow flag burkha when you get sent flying off some skyscraper downtown.

"Facts"??? What facts are you basing your bigotry on? Let's try to discuss this without your "alternative facts", aka "lies".

Here's a reality check for you. No one who arranges flowers attends a wedding. They take the flowers to the venue, set them up and LEAVE, long before the guest start to arrive. There is no requirement that the person who baked the cake, or arranged the flowers, or provides any other service that the wedding requires, to attend or participate in the wedding. In fact, at $20+ per plate, I don't want to feed anyone who isn't an acutal guest.

If you have a religious objection to gays marrying on the basis of the Bible, I want to know if you have a religious objection to providing flowers for a 2nd marriage, since the Bible calls such marriages "adultery" and says adulterers should be stoned. And now for a disgression. Why are only female adulterers the only ones being stoned in the Bible? I cannot recall a single instance of male adulterers being stoned, only the women.

So Christians will assist adulterers, even though that's one of the Big 10 sins, but the won't assist homosexuals even though Jesus never even mentioned homosexuality in the Bible, nor is it covered in the 10 Commandments, but they won't assist homosexuals because it's a sin. Can you say "hypocritical"?

The Bible has a real hate on for adultery, which was punished by a long and painful death by stoning, and yet we don't stone adulterers today. When your brother dies, you don't marry his wife. And we don't make blood sacrifices, and consider it barbaric. The Bible doesn't speak out against slavery either, and we now think it is abhorrent.

So trying to justify refusal to deliver flowers to a gay wedding on religious grounds is just the biggest hypocrisy ever. NO ONE who legitimately is a Christian, would EVER treat another person so badly. It would violate everything that Jesus taught us.

If these faux Christian bakers and florists started refusing to serve divorcees, fat people, or blacks, I might be more willing to support their cause. It's about anti gay bigotry not religious freedom.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I still can't work out why same sex people need to marry each other.

It's because the law doesn't recognize a couple's rights without marriage. If your husband or wife is sick or unconscious, you have the right to decide their care if they can't. If your same sex partner is ill, you have no rights to decide their care. If a family member comes in, they can decide their care and throw you out. It happens A LOT at the end of life.

Family members hate that their child is gay, and throw out the same sex partner, and take over their loved one's care, and the partner, who may have lived with them for 20, 30 or more years, has no rights.


Marriage changes everything.

/--- All they need is a Power of Attorney to make those decisions. The true agenda is to undermine the institution of marriage so you freaks can claim you're mainstream.

A power of attorney gives you spousal protections against testifying in court?

Why should gays have to pay thousands in legal fees for a fraction of the rights, benefits and protections afforded civil marriage?

/--- It's the cost of being a pervert.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I still can't work out why same sex people need to marry each other.

It's because the law doesn't recognize a couple's rights without marriage. If your husband or wife is sick or unconscious, you have the right to decide their care if they can't. If your same sex partner is ill, you have no rights to decide their care. If a family member comes in, they can decide their care and throw you out. It happens A LOT at the end of life. Family members hate that their child is gay, and throw out the same sex partner, and take over their loved one's care, and the partner, who may have lived with them for 20, 30 or more years, has no rights. Marriage changes everything.

Such evil people also can inherit the family member's belongings and property despite the family member wanting it to go to his or her pardner.

/---- The perv could just give his crapola to his "pardner" No need for a will. Besides I doubt if anyone in your family want's your fine fine super fine collection of DayGlo butt plugs.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Picaro: My opinions are based on facts, unlike your propaganda memes, and it's still a ways off before your sicko freak shows shut down any opposition from speaking out about your ridiculous hoax of a 'rights movement', so you'll just have to live with it for a while longer. Too bad your fan clubs are also big fans of Islam and Sharia Law, so when you do get rid of sanity and Da Evul Xians hope you like wearing your new rainbow flag burkha when you get sent flying off some skyscraper downtown.

Normal People: Your opinions are based on hysteria and beliefs that are sick and twisted, Picaro. You will obey PL laws, etc., or you will pay with lose of money and possibly freedom.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I still can't work out why same sex people need to marry each other.

It's because the law doesn't recognize a couple's rights without marriage. If your husband or wife is sick or unconscious, you have the right to decide their care if they can't. If your same sex partner is ill, you have no rights to decide their care. If a family member comes in, they can decide their care and throw you out. It happens A LOT at the end of life.

Family members hate that their child is gay, and throw out the same sex partner, and take over their loved one's care, and the partner, who may have lived with them for 20, 30 or more years, has no rights.


Marriage changes everything.

/--- All they need is a Power of Attorney to make those decisions. The true agenda is to undermine the institution of marriage so you freaks can claim you're mainstream.

A power of attorney gives you spousal protections against testifying in court?

Why should gays have to pay thousands in legal fees for a fraction of the rights, benefits and protections afforded civil marriage?

/--- It's the cost of being a pervert.

Indeed, the faux far right xians are perverts to God's love, yes.

 

[Dragonlady]

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible?

If you are in business, you must abide by the law of the land, not your religion. If your religion is in conflict with laws governing business, then it's time to look for a new business venture that doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs.

This is the very shit and hypocrisy that irks me!

Law of the land, eh...

Right, when it comes to religion, religious convictions
a business owner must follow the law of the land...

yet, when it comes to sanctuary cities and 'medical marijuana'
they are exempt from drug and immigration laws

yet, when it comes to atheists or non believers,
public displays which are symbolic of Christianity
are somehow a violation of their 'rights'.

yet, when it comes to saying,
God bless you or Merry Christmas,
it is politically incorrect

yet, its not discriminatory if a company doesn't even have to
consider you for employment based on being a convicted felon...
regardless that everyone makes mistakes

yet, when it comes to Muslims, employers and schools
are violating their religious freedom
if their policies infringe upon their beliefs and obligations

Fuck you people!

A gay consumer is free to take their business elsewhere!
Instead of being a bitch and filing a lawsuit, because, boo hoo,
somebody doesn't approve of gay marriage....
TAKE YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS ELSEWHERE!

How is it, everyone else's 'rights' are violated
except for those who believe in the God and Father of Jesus?

Sacrificing one persons rights, so as not to,
'violate' another's, is totally insane and ass backwards.

I don't have to accept gay marriage, anymore then,
having to accept men beating up on women,
women neglecting and abusing their children,
animal cruelty, litterbugs or pedophiles!

A Christian's refusal to "promote interracial marriage" is also a function of their religion. Why don't racist bigots get to use the bible

First of all, racism, being racist, is based on color idiot

Bigot

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Intolerant

not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

Tolerant

showing willingness to allow the existence of
opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.


How is it, people are bigots if they don't accept homosexuality
but, those who are gay or fine with it, aren't considered bigots
for not accepting, those who don't accept homosexuality?

Funny how having moral or ethical opinions is bigotry,
and perversion and passions are protected rights!

Be gay, I don't fucking care....
forcing it on society is what I have a problem with!

When Christians want to use the bible to discriminate against blacks and interracial couples, we call them what? Why is it different when it's gays? Why do believe that people that "don't accept homosexuality" should get special exemptions from our laws?

homosexuals aren't black nor are they in any way similar; they're just mentally ill and self-destructive sexual fetishists, not a 'minority', and were never deprived of any Constitutional rights of any kind. Your silly meme has no relevance, and never did.

And here we have it. This isn't about Christianity at all, it's about bigotry. If your church teaches you to hate homosexuals, you're church is teaching hate, not love. Jesus said "Love one another as I have loved you". He didn't qualify that by saying "love straight white people as I have loved you". There were no limits or qualifications on loving one another. YOU put that limit there.

It can reasonably be argues that bigotry and hate are a form of mental illness because homosexuality most definitely is not. There have been homosexuals in every society, in every culture, at every time in history. Research tells us that people really are born this way. So if you believe that God doesn't make mistakes, then God made homosexuals for a reason. As Jesus said "If you do this to the least among you, you do it to me", so by turning away gays, and refusing them service, you are turning away the Lord.

Jesus did not teach people to discriminate against the outcasts of society, he ministered to them. They were his friends and his disciples, not the rich, not the powerful, and not those who feigned a love of God while treating others with disdain.

I'm not a Christian so you'll just have to save your fake Teachable Moments for somebody else. And no they aren't' 'born that way' that's just fake news' if you had ever actually read any of the research on it you wouldn't be saying it here; you just like the sound of it and it fits your narcissistic self-image.

I'm not gay, but I have family and friends who are, and so do you but you don't know it or refuse to accept it. If being gay is a "choice" as you claim, when did you decide you wanted to be straight and not gay? How did you choose?

Personally, I have absolutely no recollection of making that choice. Growing up I wanted to date boys, get married and have children. I had no desire or interest in girls as sexual partners and have never "experimented" with women, even out of curiosity.

Gay family and friends pretty much say the same thing, except they were never interested in the opposite sex. Most fought it and fought it hard. I have one gay friend who lives a celibate life because his Christian beliefs won't allow him to live as a gay man. Many Christian gays live like this. Too many.

I think God wants people to be married. I don't think it's accident that Jesus' first miracle took place at a wedding. When you look at all of the ways and all of the studies which show married people being healthier, happier, and living longer when they're married, why wouldn't gay people want that too?

Why do heterosexuals get all worked up over gay people getting married? The anti-gay marriage bill was called the Defense of Marriage Act. Gay marriage has absolutely no impact on straight marriage at all. I live in a country which has had legal gay marriage for 12 years, and in that time, not ONE COMPANY has been sued for refusing service to gays, because they wouldn't dare.

Bigots in the US have tried to use freedom of religion as a basis for discrimination but that does fly either since the only class of sinner they refuse to serve is gay people. Other sinners are welcome, even though the Bible could not be cleared about adultery. When you pick and choose which sinners you will serve and the ONLY sinners you won't serve are gays, religion has nothing to do with your bigotry at all.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why argue with religious bigots of the far right.

They believe what they believe, and this their right to do so.

That is why we have PA laws and the Constitution to keep them corralled.

 

[Campbell]

The questions above by Spare are immaterial to the discussion.

Actually, they aren't .... the government is interfering in the practice of religion. It is determining that some religious practices are acceptable and some are not.

It's no more difficult than that.

The Supreme Court has already said you can't use the bible to discriminate against blacks. Why should anti gay bigots get special rights that racist bigots do not?

Because 3,000 years of Judeo-Christian teachings and tradition do not stipulate that being Black constitutes wicked, sinful sexual deviancy and perversion?

You live in a Secularized Christian Nation, wherein +70% of the population identify with such religious beliefs, and where another +10% have such cultural roots.

Those 3,000 years of teaching and tradition are alive and well and will ultimately right the ship of state in this context.

Racist bigots tried to use the same exact bible that anti gay bigots use. Why allow one group to be discriminated against and not the other?

/----- Being Black is not a sin against God and man. Being Gay is. View attachment 122155

If Gawd is so anti gay why the hell did he create them to begin with?

 

[Dragonlady]

Why argue with religious bigots of the far right.

They believe what they believe, and this their right to do so.

That is why we have PA laws and the Constitution to keep them corralled.

Because they're perverting Christianity and making false claims of a violation of their religious freedoms. As a Church elder, member of the Session, and a former Sunday School teacher, you can't pull that religion crap on me, because it's total hypocrisy.

Finally, when I blew his religious argument right out of the water, he said he wasn't a Christian, yet he is prepared to try to argue that dealing with gays violates religious freedom. This is strong evidence of bigots simply using religion to violate PA laws, even when they aren't even religious.

 

[Campbell]

I still can't work out why same sex people need to marry each other.

It's because the law doesn't recognize a couple's rights without marriage. If your husband or wife is sick or unconscious, you have the right to decide their care if they can't. If your same sex partner is ill, you have no rights to decide their care. If a family member comes in, they can decide their care and throw you out. It happens A LOT at the end of life.

Family members hate that their child is gay, and throw out the same sex partner, and take over their loved one's care, and the partner, who may have lived with them for 20, 30 or more years, has no rights.


Marriage changes everything.

/--- All they need is a Power of Attorney to make those decisions. The true agenda is to undermine the institution of marriage so you freaks can claim you're mainstream.

A power of attorney gives you spousal protections against testifying in court?

Why should gays have to pay thousands in legal fees for a fraction of the rights, benefits and protections afforded civil marriage?

/--- It's the cost of being a pervert.

Indeed, the faux far right xians are perverts to God's love, yes.

They're perverts in a lot of other ways too!