Gov't Forces Christians To Violate Faith

[Spare_change]

What is the religious significance of arranging flowers or baking cakes for profit?

for profit firms are required to make a profit in public accommodation; not-for-profit firms are not required to make a profit of lucre over social morals for free.

So, your position is that I must abdicate my religious beliefs in order to live in your society???

How noble - how inclusive - how Christian of you.

Now that I think about it a little, wouldn't the Jesus/God/HolyGhost entity forgive the person for selling arrangements or cakes for non-religious ceremonies because it's the law of Rome? If not, what kind of God is it that you worship?

I mean it's not like they're asking you to sacrifice your first born or anything!

"think a little" seems ever so appropriate for your post, don't you think?

So you actually believe your god would punish you for making a flower arrangement or baking a cake for a gay wedding?

Have you read ANYTHING about Jesus?

Yeah, just a little .... I think we can safely presume by your ridiculous question that you haven't

 

[Seawytch]

for profit firms are required to make a profit in public accommodation; not-for-profit firms are not required to make a profit of lucre over social morals for free.

So, your position is that I must abdicate my religious beliefs in order to live in your society???

How noble - how inclusive - how Christian of you.

Now that I think about it a little, wouldn't the Jesus/God/HolyGhost entity forgive the person for selling arrangements or cakes for non-religious ceremonies because it's the law of Rome? If not, what kind of God is it that you worship?

I mean it's not like they're asking you to sacrifice your first born or anything!

"think a little" seems ever so appropriate for your post, don't you think?

So you actually believe your god would punish you for making a flower arrangement or baking a cake for a gay wedding?

Have you read ANYTHING about Jesus?

Yeah, just a little .... I think we can safely presume by your ridiculous question that you haven't

I have which is why I know Jesus would not approve of the anti gay bakers, florists, photographers, etc.

 

[pwjohn]

The more you see something shocking, the less shocking it appears, and the more something outrageous happens, the less outrageous it seems to be. That is how a culture becomes desensitized, and that is how the abnormal becomes normalized. But when it comes to the government’s attack on our religious freedoms, it is our sacred duty to remain shocked and outraged. Such things cannot continue to happen in America if we are to be the land of the free and the home of the brave.

According to the Washington Supreme Court, when Christian florist Barronelle Stutzman declined to do the floral arrangements for a same-sex wedding, she violated the state's anti-discrimination laws, since she allegedly discriminated based on her customer’s sexual orientation by refusing to participate in his wedding ceremony.

Attorney David French is correct in emphasizing how this ruling should affect us (he penned these words shortly after the verdict was announced): “If you care about the Bill of Rights, the rights of conscience, or even the English language, there’s a chance that this morning you felt a disturbance in the Force — as if the Founders cried out in rage and were suddenly silenced.”

As French clearly explains, “she was not discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation. She was making a decision not to help celebrate an action, a form of expression. She would no more celebrate a gay wedding than she would any form of immorality, gay or straight. To dispense with her argument, the court did what numerous progressive courts have done: It rewrote the law. It rejected what it called the ‘status/conduct’ distinction, and essentially interpreted the word ‘orientation’ to also mean ‘action.’”
It Is Absolutely Outrageous for the Government to Force Christians to Violate Their Faith

Spare-change, your argument makes no cents at all.

 

[Spare_change]

So, your position is that I must abdicate my religious beliefs in order to live in your society???

How noble - how inclusive - how Christian of you.

Now that I think about it a little, wouldn't the Jesus/God/HolyGhost entity forgive the person for selling arrangements or cakes for non-religious ceremonies because it's the law of Rome? If not, what kind of God is it that you worship?

I mean it's not like they're asking you to sacrifice your first born or anything!

"think a little" seems ever so appropriate for your post, don't you think?

So you actually believe your god would punish you for making a flower arrangement or baking a cake for a gay wedding?

Have you read ANYTHING about Jesus?

Yeah, just a little .... I think we can safely presume by your ridiculous question that you haven't

I have which is why I know Jesus would not approve of the anti gay bakers, florists, photographers, etc.

I will accept that you have "read" it (though I truly don't believe that), but it's clear you most assuredly didn't understand what you were reading.

 

[Seawytch]

Now that I think about it a little, wouldn't the Jesus/God/HolyGhost entity forgive the person for selling arrangements or cakes for non-religious ceremonies because it's the law of Rome? If not, what kind of God is it that you worship?

I mean it's not like they're asking you to sacrifice your first born or anything!

"think a little" seems ever so appropriate for your post, don't you think?

So you actually believe your god would punish you for making a flower arrangement or baking a cake for a gay wedding?

Have you read ANYTHING about Jesus?

Yeah, just a little .... I think we can safely presume by your ridiculous question that you haven't

I have which is why I know Jesus would not approve of the anti gay bakers, florists, photographers, etc.

I will accept that you have "read" it (though I truly don't believe that), but it's clear you most assuredly didn't understand what you were reading.

Quote Jesus being anti gay.

 

[danielpalos]

What is the religious significance of arranging flowers or baking cakes for profit?

for profit firms are required to make a profit in public accommodation; not-for-profit firms are not required to make a profit of lucre over social morals for free.

So, your position is that I must abdicate my religious beliefs in order to live in your society???

How noble - how inclusive - how Christian of you.

Now that I think about it a little, wouldn't the Jesus/God/HolyGhost entity forgive the person for selling arrangements or cakes for non-religious ceremonies because it's the law of Rome? If not, what kind of God is it that you worship?

I mean it's not like they're asking you to sacrifice your first born or anything!

"think a little" seems ever so appropriate for your post, don't you think?

So you actually believe your god would punish you for making a flower arrangement or baking a cake for a gay wedding?

Have you read ANYTHING about Jesus?

the right wing is, moral of "goodwill toward men", challenged.

 

[keepitreal]

You know what, let's give racism a rest.
The issues of discrimination, sexual orientation,
freedom of religion, anti-gay, homophobes...
gives us plenty to debate without having to
compare it to race and racism, which isn't the topic

Discrimination is discrimination which is the topic. Racists tried to use religion to deny equal access to goods and services to blacks. Anti gay bigots try to use religion to do the same to gays. Why should one be allowed when the other is not?

Anti gay bigots try to use religion to do the same to gays.

One... we're just discussing the florist.
Just because you assume she was hiding a hatred of gays
behind "religion" to get away with discrimination...
doesn't make it so in this case.

If that were the case, a hatred of gays,
then why did she consider him a friend
AND been a customer of hers for 10 years?

Does that make sense to you?
....a hatred for gays...No, it does not.

I started using different search tags
to find articles from when this first began in 2013
because I knew there was too much missing from the story

I came across an interview he granted
and for the first time, saw 2 faces, not just 2 names
And after reading his interview, pretty much know
what really happened and what it all boiled down to.

...I'll have to pick it up from here tomorrow
I don't have enough time to finish
I have to start getting ready for work.

 

[Seawytch]

You know what, let's give racism a rest.
The issues of discrimination, sexual orientation,
freedom of religion, anti-gay, homophobes...
gives us plenty to debate without having to
compare it to race and racism, which isn't the topic

Discrimination is discrimination which is the topic. Racists tried to use religion to deny equal access to goods and services to blacks. Anti gay bigots try to use religion to do the same to gays. Why should one be allowed when the other is not?

Anti gay bigots try to use religion to do the same to gays.

One... we're just discussing the florist.
Just because you assume she was hiding a hatred of gays
behind "religion" to get away with discrimination...
doesn't make it so in this case.

If that were the case, a hatred of gays,
then why did she consider him a friend
AND been a customer of hers for 10 years?

Does that make sense to you?
....a hatred for gays...No, it does not.

I started using different search tags
to find articles from when this first began in 2013
because I knew there was too much missing from the story

I came across an interview he granted
and for the first time, saw 2 faces, not just 2 names
And after reading his interview, pretty much know
what really happened and what it all boiled down to.

...I'll have to pick it up from here tomorrow
I don't have enough time to finish
I have to start getting ready for work.

Point out where I said anything about hate. In fact, I said quote clearly that I have no idea whether or not she hates gays nor do I care. She is using her religion to discriminate just like racists tried to. We didn't let them use religion to discriminate against blacks, why should religion be able to be used against gays?

 

[Spare_change]

"think a little" seems ever so appropriate for your post, don't you think?

So you actually believe your god would punish you for making a flower arrangement or baking a cake for a gay wedding?

Have you read ANYTHING about Jesus?

Yeah, just a little .... I think we can safely presume by your ridiculous question that you haven't

I have which is why I know Jesus would not approve of the anti gay bakers, florists, photographers, etc.

I will accept that you have "read" it (though I truly don't believe that), but it's clear you most assuredly didn't understand what you were reading.

Quote Jesus being anti gay.

The Bible is very clear, in several cases, about Christianity's position on homosexuality.

For you to try to conflate that to a "hatred of gays" is simplistic on your part. Christians don't hate gays, they hate homosexuality. If you can't figure out the difference, YOU are the one with the problem.

 

[Seawytch]

So you actually believe your god would punish you for making a flower arrangement or baking a cake for a gay wedding?

Have you read ANYTHING about Jesus?

Yeah, just a little .... I think we can safely presume by your ridiculous question that you haven't

I have which is why I know Jesus would not approve of the anti gay bakers, florists, photographers, etc.

I will accept that you have "read" it (though I truly don't believe that), but it's clear you most assuredly didn't understand what you were reading.

Quote Jesus being anti gay.

The Bible is very clear, in several cases, about Christianity's position on homosexuality.

For you to try to conflate that to a "hatred of gays" is simplistic on your part. Christians don't hate gays, they hate homosexuality. If you can't figure out the difference, YOU are the one with the problem.

I said quote Jesus. You can't because Jesus never said anything.

The bible is very clear about people who wear clothing of mixed cloth too but I don't see bakers refusing to bake a cake for someone wearing a poly blend.

Why do you keep harping on hate? I haven't said anything about hate.

 

[danielpalos]

So you actually believe your god would punish you for making a flower arrangement or baking a cake for a gay wedding?

Have you read ANYTHING about Jesus?

Yeah, just a little .... I think we can safely presume by your ridiculous question that you haven't

I have which is why I know Jesus would not approve of the anti gay bakers, florists, photographers, etc.

I will accept that you have "read" it (though I truly don't believe that), but it's clear you most assuredly didn't understand what you were reading.

Quote Jesus being anti gay.

The Bible is very clear, in several cases, about Christianity's position on homosexuality.

For you to try to conflate that to a "hatred of gays" is simplistic on your part. Christians don't hate gays, they hate homosexuality. If you can't figure out the difference, YOU are the one with the problem.

Why should we take deists seriously about morals, if they cannot follow, Ten simple Commandments, from a God?

 

[danielpalos]

Yeah, just a little .... I think we can safely presume by your ridiculous question that you haven't

I have which is why I know Jesus would not approve of the anti gay bakers, florists, photographers, etc.

I will accept that you have "read" it (though I truly don't believe that), but it's clear you most assuredly didn't understand what you were reading.

Quote Jesus being anti gay.

The Bible is very clear, in several cases, about Christianity's position on homosexuality.

For you to try to conflate that to a "hatred of gays" is simplistic on your part. Christians don't hate gays, they hate homosexuality. If you can't figure out the difference, YOU are the one with the problem.

I said quote Jesus. You can't because Jesus never said anything.

The bible is very clear about people who wear clothing of mixed cloth too but I don't see bakers refusing to bake a cake for someone wearing a poly blend.

Why do you keep harping on hate? I haven't said anything about hate.

just a bunch of "socialists" who prefer to "ditch capitalism" for their national policies.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Christians passive refusal to promote homosexuality is not protected Constitutionally in the public forum.

 

[Rustic]

Christians passive refusal to promote homosexuality is not protected Constitutionally in the public forum.

Homosexuality is a lifestyle that is nothing but a diminishing return…

 

[JakeStarkey]

Christians passive refusal to promote homosexuality is not protected Constitutionally in the public forum.

Homosexuality is a lifestyle that is nothing but a diminishing return…

You may think so, but that has nothing to do with violating the civil liberties of an individual in the public forum.

 

[Synthaholic]

The more you see something shocking, the less shocking it appears, and the more something outrageous happens, the less outrageous it seems to be. That is how a culture becomes desensitized, and that is how the abnormal becomes normalized. But when it comes to the government’s attack on our religious freedoms, it is our sacred duty to remain shocked and outraged. Such things cannot continue to happen in America if we are to be the land of the free and the home of the brave.

According to the Washington Supreme Court, when Christian florist Barronelle Stutzman declined to do the floral arrangements for a same-sex wedding, she violated the state's anti-discrimination laws, since she allegedly discriminated based on her customer’s sexual orientation by refusing to participate in his wedding ceremony.

Attorney David French is correct in emphasizing how this ruling should affect us (he penned these words shortly after the verdict was announced): “If you care about the Bill of Rights, the rights of conscience, or even the English language, there’s a chance that this morning you felt a disturbance in the Force — as if the Founders cried out in rage and were suddenly silenced.”

As French clearly explains, “she was not discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation. She was making a decision not to help celebrate an action, a form of expression. She would no more celebrate a gay wedding than she would any form of immorality, gay or straight. To dispense with her argument, the court did what numerous progressive courts have done: It rewrote the law. It rejected what it called the ‘status/conduct’ distinction, and essentially interpreted the word ‘orientation’ to also mean ‘action.’”
It Is Absolutely Outrageous for the Government to Force Christians to Violate Their Faith

Boo fucking hoo.

I doubt Barronelle Stutzman cares whether the flowers she sells to men are going to a mistress, or lead to premarital sex.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Christians passive refusal to promote homosexuality is not protected Constitutionally in the public forum.

Christianity like radical islam both want their way or the highway....Even if peoples rights have to be shit on.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Most people normally want their own way, even if it contradicts with the legitimate concerns of other people.

 

[danielpalos]

Only infidels, protestants, and renegades have Any problem "baking cakes in the shadow of the valley of Homosexuality", and "fear evil".

 

[bodecea]

Yeah, just a little .... I think we can safely presume by your ridiculous question that you haven't

I have which is why I know Jesus would not approve of the anti gay bakers, florists, photographers, etc.

I will accept that you have "read" it (though I truly don't believe that), but it's clear you most assuredly didn't understand what you were reading.

Quote Jesus being anti gay.

The Bible is very clear, in several cases, about Christianity's position on homosexuality.

For you to try to conflate that to a "hatred of gays" is simplistic on your part. Christians don't hate gays, they hate homosexuality. If you can't figure out the difference, YOU are the one with the problem.

Why should we take deists seriously about morals, if they cannot follow, Ten simple Commandments, from a God?

Particularly the commandment about lying.