Government shutdown: There may be method in Trump's madness ...

[Redfish]

Actually, this is the perfect, perfect time to force a government shutdown if Congress won't provide funding for the wall. Why? Because the DoD and the VA would *not* be affected, since their FY 2019 budget has already been passed and signed. The shutdown would be partial and would affect DHS, DOE, the State Department, Department of the Interior, HUD, etc., etc.

Most agencies are operating at partial strength anyway. Most employees are using up the rest of their vacation time

and somehow the government continues to operate, can you say "waste"?

 

[Redfish]

since the 2018 numbers are not yet known, neither of us know what the annual rate was.

Well, we can be pretty certain it will not be in the 6% range it would need to be in to make the year above 4%

But if you disagree I would be happy to make a wager with you on it.

ya know what? I don't really give a shit. Trump is doing exactly what I want him to do. the economy is just fine. This constant Trump bashing and Obama praising is insane. Let the man do his job, hopefully he wont fuck it up like Obama did

I guess you have not paid much attention to the financial markets...too late for him not to fuck it up

Investors are a little concerned about tariffs, but the market (as alway) will bounce back. China recently announced they will drop their tariffs on US automobiles for three months. I believe they were charging 45% and now dropped it to 15%. Plus after the holidays, I'm expecting a strong Christmas sales report for this season. That will bring some market confidence back up.

None of this was necessary

Trumps trade wars have been a disaster

actually it was very necessary, China and the EU were ripping us off on trade, billions in US wealth was being transferred out of the country every year.

Fixing long running messes takes time and is temporarily painful for all involved, but it had to be done and Trump is the first president with the balls to get it done.

 

[Redfish]

Investors are a little concerned about tariffs, but the market (as alway) will bounce back. China recently announced they will drop their tariffs on US automobiles for three months. I believe they were charging 45% and now dropped it to 15%. Plus after the holidays, I'm expecting a strong Christmas sales report for this season. That will bring some market confidence back up.

Horseshit, the market has been down since Trump announced his first tariffs way back in Jan.

The market responded well to the announced possible trade deal between us and China and then Trump tweeted he was the "tariff man" and it lost 600 points that day.

You cannot tell me that you really think that the market does not care about international trade.

Of course they do. It will be rocky for a while until everything is said and done. That's the way people think with their own money. Plus with the Democrats winning Congress and a possible impeachment hanging over our heads sure doesn't help.

Sure doesn’t

Criminal charges against the President will upset the economy. We never should have elected someone so morally and ethically unstable

LOL, coming from someone who supported Obama and Clinton that's really funny. Two of the most morally and ethically unstable politicians in the history of this nation.

Trump has not violated any laws, Heir Mewler has wasted millions on his witch hunt can cant find anything but 20 year old tax evasion and bank fraud cases that have nothing to do with Trump or the campaign. His effort to threaten and flip Flynn and Cohen has made him look more like an incompetent cheating asshole.

 

[Redfish]

Who are you talking about, DumBama or Trump? Trump said he would and didn't. Obama said he would and spent a trillion dollars and he didn't.

Trump:

We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

and

"I am going to take care of everybody … Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

"We are going to repeal and replace!" Well, the Democrats stopped the repeal part.

actually it was the dems and McCain that stopped it.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, this is the perfect, perfect time to force a government shutdown if Congress won't provide funding for the wall. Why? Because the DoD and the VA would *not* be affected, since their FY 2019 budget has already been passed and signed. The shutdown would be partial and would affect DHS, DOE, the State Department, Department of the Interior, HUD, etc., etc.

Most agencies are operating at partial strength anyway. Most employees are using up the rest of their vacation time

and somehow the government continues to operate, can you say "waste"?

Allowing employees to use their vacation time is not waste
Congress shuts down over Christmas too

 

[Redfish]

Actually, this is the perfect, perfect time to force a government shutdown if Congress won't provide funding for the wall. Why? Because the DoD and the VA would *not* be affected, since their FY 2019 budget has already been passed and signed. The shutdown would be partial and would affect DHS, DOE, the State Department, Department of the Interior, HUD, etc., etc.

Most agencies are operating at partial strength anyway. Most employees are using up the rest of their vacation time

and somehow the government continues to operate, can you say "waste"?

Allowing employees to use their vacation time is not waste
Congress shuts down over Christmas too

True, so its a good time for Trump to shut it down and let the country know that the obstructionist dems are the cause because they don't support securing our borders.

the hypocrisy of dems like Schumer, Clinton, Obama, Pelosi et. al. is glaringly apparent when you look at what they said about border walls, fences, and illegal immigration in the past. They are so sick that they would rather see Trump fail than the USA win. They, and fools like you, will never get over the FACT that Trump won and Hillary lost after the lying media and lying pollsters told you she had it locked up. They lied, and you bought it. Deal with reality for once.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, this is the perfect, perfect time to force a government shutdown if Congress won't provide funding for the wall. Why? Because the DoD and the VA would *not* be affected, since their FY 2019 budget has already been passed and signed. The shutdown would be partial and would affect DHS, DOE, the State Department, Department of the Interior, HUD, etc., etc.

Most agencies are operating at partial strength anyway. Most employees are using up the rest of their vacation time

and somehow the government continues to operate, can you say "waste"?

Allowing employees to use their vacation time is not waste
Congress shuts down over Christmas too

True, so its a good time for Trump to shut it down and let the country know that the obstructionist dems are the cause because they don't support securing our borders.

the hypocrisy of dems like Schumer, Clinton, Obama, Pelosi et. al. is glaringly apparent when you look at what they said about border walls, fences, and illegal immigration in the past. They are so sick that they would rather see Trump fail than the USA win. They, and fools like you, will never get over the FACT that Trump won and Hillary lost after the lying media and lying pollsters told you she had it locked up. They lied, and you bought it. Deal with reality for once.

Nobody is buying it

Especially when Trump admitted the shutdown is on him

BTW....Starting to look like Trump is backing down
He doesn’t have the votes

 

[bendog]

... if Trump has received advice that shutting down the government will stop Mueller's investigation of Trump.

If stopped in this manner, could Mueller's investigation be financed by a gofundme donation scheme?

fAIL. LOL

 

[bendog]

Actually, this is the perfect, perfect time to force a government shutdown if Congress won't provide funding for the wall. Why? Because the DoD and the VA would *not* be affected, since their FY 2019 budget has already been passed and signed. The shutdown would be partial and would affect DHS, DOE, the State Department, Department of the Interior, HUD, etc., etc.

Most agencies are operating at partial strength anyway. Most employees are using up the rest of their vacation time

and somehow the government continues to operate, can you say "waste"?

Allowing employees to use their vacation time is not waste
Congress shuts down over Christmas too

True, so its a good time for Trump to shut it down and let the country know that the obstructionist dems are the cause because they don't support securing our borders.

the hypocrisy of dems like Schumer, Clinton, Obama, Pelosi et. al. is glaringly apparent when you look at what they said about border walls, fences, and illegal immigration in the past. They are so sick that they would rather see Trump fail than the USA win. They, and fools like you, will never get over the FACT that Trump won and Hillary lost after the lying media and lying pollsters told you she had it locked up. They lied, and you bought it. Deal with reality for once.

We have a supermajority believeing Trump is lying on Russia. Good luck with shutting it down.

 

[Vandalshandle]

“A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak”

-Donald Trump 2013#TrumpShutdown #GOPshutdown #shutdown #governmentshutdown #

 

[Redfish]

Actually, this is the perfect, perfect time to force a government shutdown if Congress won't provide funding for the wall. Why? Because the DoD and the VA would *not* be affected, since their FY 2019 budget has already been passed and signed. The shutdown would be partial and would affect DHS, DOE, the State Department, Department of the Interior, HUD, etc., etc.

Most agencies are operating at partial strength anyway. Most employees are using up the rest of their vacation time

and somehow the government continues to operate, can you say "waste"?

Allowing employees to use their vacation time is not waste
Congress shuts down over Christmas too

True, so its a good time for Trump to shut it down and let the country know that the obstructionist dems are the cause because they don't support securing our borders.

the hypocrisy of dems like Schumer, Clinton, Obama, Pelosi et. al. is glaringly apparent when you look at what they said about border walls, fences, and illegal immigration in the past. They are so sick that they would rather see Trump fail than the USA win. They, and fools like you, will never get over the FACT that Trump won and Hillary lost after the lying media and lying pollsters told you she had it locked up. They lied, and you bought it. Deal with reality for once.

Nobody is buying it

Especially when Trump admitted the shutdown is on him

BTW....Starting to look like Trump is backing down
He doesn’t have the votes

They only oppose it because Trump is pushing it, If Hillary was pushing it they would all be supporting it. Hypocrisy is the correct word.

Unlike obozo, Clinton, or either Bush, Trump is actually taking responsibility for his actions. How awful.

 

[Redfish]

Actually, this is the perfect, perfect time to force a government shutdown if Congress won't provide funding for the wall. Why? Because the DoD and the VA would *not* be affected, since their FY 2019 budget has already been passed and signed. The shutdown would be partial and would affect DHS, DOE, the State Department, Department of the Interior, HUD, etc., etc.

Most agencies are operating at partial strength anyway. Most employees are using up the rest of their vacation time

and somehow the government continues to operate, can you say "waste"?

Allowing employees to use their vacation time is not waste
Congress shuts down over Christmas too

True, so its a good time for Trump to shut it down and let the country know that the obstructionist dems are the cause because they don't support securing our borders.

the hypocrisy of dems like Schumer, Clinton, Obama, Pelosi et. al. is glaringly apparent when you look at what they said about border walls, fences, and illegal immigration in the past. They are so sick that they would rather see Trump fail than the USA win. They, and fools like you, will never get over the FACT that Trump won and Hillary lost after the lying media and lying pollsters told you she had it locked up. They lied, and you bought it. Deal with reality for once.

We have a supermajority believeing Trump is lying on Russia. Good luck with shutting it down.

bullshit, there is no supermajority that is buying into the fake Russia collusion crap. People either don't believe it or don't give a shit. That's the truth.

 

[Redfish]

“A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak”

-Donald Trump 2013#TrumpShutdown #GOPshutdown #shutdown #governmentshutdown #

did you call it that when Clinton shut it down?

Oh, I remember, then it was Clinton showing the GOP who was boss. you fricken libs, nothing but hypocrisy.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

ya know what? I don't really give a shit.

You could have saved a bunch of time and needless embarrassment starting with that line, which has basically become winger creed these days.

 

[Vandalshandle]

“A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak”

-Donald Trump 2013#TrumpShutdown #GOPshutdown #shutdown #governmentshutdown #

did you call it that when Clinton shut it down?

Oh, I remember, then it was Clinton showing the GOP who was boss. you fricken libs, nothing but hypocrisy.

Apparently, only a democratic president who shuts down the government is weak, according to Trump.

 

[Redfish]

“A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak”

-Donald Trump 2013#TrumpShutdown #GOPshutdown #shutdown #governmentshutdown #

did you call it that when Clinton shut it down?

Oh, I remember, then it was Clinton showing the GOP who was boss. you fricken libs, nothing but hypocrisy.

Apparently, only a democratic president who shuts down the government is weak, according to Trump.

It really depends on why its being shut down. If it is simply that congress cant get its shit together then they are all to blame and are all weak assholes. If one party is holding up funding for political reasons, then the obstructionists are to blame, in this case the hypocritical dems who in the past voted for border walls and security and now refuse to because they think it will give them some 2020 talking points. What is going on today is nothing but political theatre at the expense of the country. If Trump shuts it down, Schumer and Pelosi are responsible even if Trump says its on him.

 

[Redfish]

“A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak”

-Donald Trump 2013#TrumpShutdown #GOPshutdown #shutdown #governmentshutdown #

did you call it that when Clinton shut it down?

Oh, I remember, then it was Clinton showing the GOP who was boss. you fricken libs, nothing but hypocrisy.

Apparently, only a democratic president who shuts down the government is weak, according to Trump.

do you remember when Obama said that increasing the national debt is a sign of a failed president? Then he proceeded to double it in 8 years.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

“A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak”

-Donald Trump 2013#TrumpShutdown #GOPshutdown #shutdown #governmentshutdown #

did you call it that when Clinton shut it down?

Oh, I remember, then it was Clinton showing the GOP who was boss. you fricken libs, nothing but hypocrisy.

Apparently, only a democratic president who shuts down the government is weak, according to Trump.

do you remember when Obama said that increasing the national debt is a sign of a failed president? Then he proceeded to double it in 8 years.

Do you have a link to Obama saying that?

Oh, he did not double it...close but not quite.

 

[Vandalshandle]

“A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak”

-Donald Trump 2013#TrumpShutdown #GOPshutdown #shutdown #governmentshutdown #

did you call it that when Clinton shut it down?

Oh, I remember, then it was Clinton showing the GOP who was boss. you fricken libs, nothing but hypocrisy.

Apparently, only a democratic president who shuts down the government is weak, according to Trump.

do you remember when Obama said that increasing the national debt is a sign of a failed president? Then he proceeded to double it in 8 years.

It is amazing how every thread about Trump somehow gets diverted to a thread about Obama by Trump supporters, in spite of the fact that Obama is not the president and never will be. Granted, it make me long for the days when we had a president who was dignified, but other than that, it is just a waste of band width.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It is amazing how every thread about Trump somehow gets diverted to a thread about Obama by Trump supporters, in spite of the fact that Obama is not the president and never will be.

Trust me, we know how that is. We just got through eight years of hearing about Bush.