Government Should Teach Traditional Values

[Disir]

Did you go back and read the material? Or are you simply playing with yourself at the keyboard again?

 

[peach174]

Theodore Roosevelt was the very first progressive President,Political Chic
Woodrow Wilson was the most heavy handed progressive.

Actually, Roosevelt lost the election when he ran as a Progressive....so he was the first Progressive candidate.

In splitting the vote with Taft, he gave the election to the first President to run on progressive policies...

BTW, Wilson was the first President to have studied socialism.....he claimed it was the same as democracy.

And excellent book on the period, and the election: "1912," by James Chace.

T. Roosevelt was a progressive from the get go.
As President, Government grew with National Parks,Dept. of Commerce & Labor, Fed. Police get power over state police,National Forest Service,National Monuments, Regulation of Railroads all progressive ideology.
He ran a third time 1912 under the bull moose party and lost,but as President 1901-1909 his Government grew and was the start of the progressive ideology.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you go back and read the material? Or are you simply playing with yourself at the keyboard again?

Trying to save face?

Which one?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Theodore Roosevelt was the very first progressive President,Political Chic
Woodrow Wilson was the most heavy handed progressive.

Actually, Roosevelt lost the election when he ran as a Progressive....so he was the first Progressive candidate.

In splitting the vote with Taft, he gave the election to the first President to run on progressive policies...

BTW, Wilson was the first President to have studied socialism.....he claimed it was the same as democracy.

And excellent book on the period, and the election: "1912," by James Chace.

T. Roosevelt was a progressive from the get go.
As President, Government grew with National Parks,Dept. of Commerce & Labor, Fed. Police get power over state police,National Forest Service,National Monuments, Regulation of Railroads all progressive ideology.
He ran a third time 1912 under the bull moose party and lost,but as President 1901-1909 his Government grew and was the start of the progressive ideology.

Well, can't argue about Roosevelt's progressive credentials...
...but I think I can make an argument as far as him being the 'first progressive President.'

Look up McKinley's record going back to his days as governor of Ohio...tax reform, etc. and his short time as President, the tariff-President.

To be clear, Roosevelt was the first candidate of the Progressive Party, capital 'P.'

'At 2 o’clock in the morning on June 20, 1912, Roosevelt supporters bolted from the credentials committee meeting. Roosevelt: “As far as I am concerned, I am through.” 'NYTimes, June 20, 1912
He left the Republican Party.

a. Governor Hiram Johnson of California declared that a new political party would be born later that day. Once financial backing was obtained, the Progressive Party was born. Mowry, “Theodore Roosevelt and the Progressive Movement,” p. 149.

b. The Progressive Party convention opened August 5 in the Coliseum, which had just housed the Republican convention. “It was an assemblage of religious enthusiasts. It was such a convention as [the crusader] Peter the Hermit held. It was a Methodist camp meeting done over into political terms.” NYTimes, August 6, 1912. They sang “Onward Christian Soldiers,” and a play on the revival hymns, as “Follow, follow, we will follow Roosevelt.”

So...if you mean that he was a product of the times...progressive, in that sense, why isn't McKinley the first progressive President?

Now, I see you have specified a lower case 'p' progressive....and, based on effectiveness, I'm going to agree with you. He certainly governed at odds with the Founders.

 

[Disir]

Is that all you got?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is that all you got?

No, worm...

...how about this:

Nyah- nyah- na- na-na!


Beat ya' bloody!

 

[Disir]

Yep, that's all you got.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yep, that's all you got.

Ya' little worm...by documenting everything I said about Progressives attempts to exterminatate those they didn't feel up to snuff, I don't need any more.

Idiot.


Oh...now I see...you are so lonely, bereft of human company.....that even the beating you've been taking her is better than lonliness....
...is that it?

So, I'm the sadist, you the masochist?????

Kinky, you little Nazi worm!

Now....be gone....back under the rock.

 

[Disir]

Yep, that's all you got.

Ya' little worm...by documenting everything I said about Progressives attempts to exterminatate those they didn't feel up to snuff, I don't need any more.

Idiot.


Oh...now I see...you are so lonely, bereft of human company.....that even the beating you've been taking her is better than lonliness....
...is that it?

So, I'm the sadist, you the masochist?????

Kinky, you little Nazi worm!

Now....be gone....back under the rock.

So, you do not know how to read a bill, you attempt to use book reviews as valid sources, and you are reliant on other's interpretations of information taken from unreliable sources while having the opportunity to research it yourself. It is now out in the open and now, you are afraid that if you continue on this will become even more obvious.

Enough of your douchebaggery. Hit the books or admit you're a shill.

 

[lilbug]

The gov't shouldn't be in the business of teaching any kind of values, that's for the parents to do. The gov't should be in the business of protecting our nation and our rights and civil liberties as individuals, nothing more.

'nuff said!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yep, that's all you got.

Ya' little worm...by documenting everything I said about Progressives attempts to exterminatate those they didn't feel up to snuff, I don't need any more.

Idiot.


Oh...now I see...you are so lonely, bereft of human company.....that even the beating you've been taking her is better than lonliness....
...is that it?

So, I'm the sadist, you the masochist?????

Kinky, you little Nazi worm!

Now....be gone....back under the rock.

So, you do not know how to read a bill, you attempt to use book reviews as valid sources, and you are reliant on other's interpretations of information taken from unreliable sources while having the opportunity to research it yourself. It is now out in the open and now, you are afraid that if you continue on this will become even more obvious.

Enough of your douchebaggery. Hit the books or admit you're a shill.

OMG...you're rdean!!!!

 

[Foxfyre]

Ya' little worm...by documenting everything I said about Progressives attempts to exterminatate those they didn't feel up to snuff, I don't need any more.

Idiot.


Oh...now I see...you are so lonely, bereft of human company.....that even the beating you've been taking her is better than lonliness....
...is that it?

So, I'm the sadist, you the masochist?????

Kinky, you little Nazi worm!

Now....be gone....back under the rock.

So, you do not know how to read a bill, you attempt to use book reviews as valid sources, and you are reliant on other's interpretations of information taken from unreliable sources while having the opportunity to research it yourself. It is now out in the open and now, you are afraid that if you continue on this will become even more obvious.

Enough of your douchebaggery. Hit the books or admit you're a shill.

OMG...you're rdean!!!!

That would explain soooooo much. . . . .

 

[hortysir]

Is that all you got?

Translation:
I got nothing

 

[Money]

The gov't shouldn't be in the business of teaching any kind of values, that's for the parents to do. The gov't should be in the business of protecting our nation and our rights and civil liberties as individuals, nothing more.

I strongly disagree here. I don't think this constitutes any breach of the separation between church and state, and for that reason I don't see why there should be a prohibition to the fact that government has an OBLIGATION to teach values to Americans.

The sort of values that I have in mind are cultivation of a work ethic and ambition for great successes for oneself. I think it is the a biggest issue with public education and the one thing that I noticed strikingly different between my private education in the public schools that I went to.

I think in a lot of ways American public schools use the fact that parents have an obligation to instill values in their children as some excuse for the low performance due to children who do not tend to value education. That's some kind of cop out. I expect that after years of consistent poor results stemming from a lack of value for education, that the US government's education system would aim to remedy that internally.

Teach the value of excellence.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The gov't shouldn't be in the business of teaching any kind of values, that's for the parents to do. The gov't should be in the business of protecting our nation and our rights and civil liberties as individuals, nothing more.

I strongly disagree here. I don't think this constitutes any breach of the separation between church and state, and for that reason I don't see why there should be a prohibition to the fact that government has an OBLIGATION to teach values to Americans.

The sort of values that I have in mind are cultivation of a work ethic and ambition for great successes for oneself. I think it is the a biggest issue with public education and the one thing that I noticed strikingly different between my private education in the public schools that I went to.

I think in a lot of ways American public schools use the fact that parents have an obligation to instill values in their children as some excuse for the low performance due to children who do not tend to value education. That's some kind of cop out. I expect that after years of consistent poor results stemming from a lack of value for education, that the US government's education system would aim to remedy that internally.

Teach the value of excellence.

I agree with thaaaaa.......
....wait...what's that alluring smell???


Ohhhh>

"Thanks to one ambitious man, you can now smell like your money.

Patrick McCarthy, a Chicago-based vice president of sales at Microsoft, thinks he’s designed a product both men and women will open their wallets for. He’s created His Money Cologne and Her Money Eau de Parfum — a product he says could bode well for your earnings potential.

The idea is that money-grubbers might work even harder if they immerse themselves in the scent of dollar bills. Think of it like how the smell of freshly baked bread makes you hungry — except this is a lot more greedy."
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[Money]

The gov't shouldn't be in the business of teaching any kind of values, that's for the parents to do. The gov't should be in the business of protecting our nation and our rights and civil liberties as individuals, nothing more.

I strongly disagree here. I don't think this constitutes any breach of the separation between church and state, and for that reason I don't see why there should be a prohibition to the fact that government has an OBLIGATION to teach values to Americans.

The sort of values that I have in mind are cultivation of a work ethic and ambition for great successes for oneself. I think it is the a biggest issue with public education and the one thing that I noticed strikingly different between my private education in the public schools that I went to.

I think in a lot of ways American public schools use the fact that parents have an obligation to instill values in their children as some excuse for the low performance due to children who do not tend to value education. That's some kind of cop out. I expect that after years of consistent poor results stemming from a lack of value for education, that the US government's education system would aim to remedy that internally.

Teach the value of excellence.

I agree with thaaaaa.......
....wait...what's that alluring smell???


Ohhhh>

"Thanks to one ambitious man, you can now smell like your money.

Patrick McCarthy, a Chicago-based vice president of sales at Microsoft, thinks he’s designed a product both men and women will open their wallets for. He’s created His Money Cologne and Her Money Eau de Parfum — a product he says could bode well for your earnings potential.

The idea is that money-grubbers might work even harder if they immerse themselves in the scent of dollar bills. Think of it like how the smell of freshly baked bread makes you hungry — except this is a lot more greedy."
Looking for perfume, cologne that smells like money? (AOL News) | Seattle's Big Blog - seattlepi.com

All this time I've just been rubbing money on myself. This should be a lot more sanitary.

 

[Bfgrn]

The only value schools should teach is the Golden Rule.

 

[Samson]

No matter how desperately leftists try to insist America operates under a caste system, we don't.

While 90% of wry baby's comments are the sad result of his being dropped on his head, you must be living on another planet to believe America has no Caste System.

I have to agree with Dave on that one. Herman Cain's dad, for instance, was a chauffeur and his mom was a maid. And look at what he has accomplished and now he is running for POTUS. I can point to my own family and my own life to demonstrate that nobody is confined by the circumstances of his/her birth in this country. Disadvantaged? Yes. In a situation where you have to work harder than the other guy? Yes. That happens and is sometimes the luck of the draw. But that is very different from a caste system.

That is one of the traditional values that I think should be emphasized in the schools and by everybody. If you are born poor, you don't have to stay poor. If you are ignorant there are limitless opportunities to educate yourself. Some of our most distinguished citizens would have been called 'disadvantaged' in their childhood and youth, and yet rose above their circumstances to achieve great things. Nobody should accept being a victim in this country but instead take advantages of the limitless opportunities that our Constitution affords us. Stop blaming and resenting the other guy and get busy.

I suppose in the strictest sense, as "Caste" is definded in Victorian England, or contemporary India, the word cannot be strictly applied anywhere. Basically this means if you are born into a certain socio-economic structure, then you will spend your life there. However, there are exceptions to this rule in England, India, and of course the USA.

My comment about caste is more related to the advantages of birth: To believe that if you are born into a wealthy family in the USA, then you have no more advantage than anyone born into a "middle caste (class)" family, is ludicrous.

 

[PoliticalChic]

While 90% of wry baby's comments are the sad result of his being dropped on his head, you must be living on another planet to believe America has no Caste System.

I have to agree with Dave on that one. Herman Cain's dad, for instance, was a chauffeur and his mom was a maid. And look at what he has accomplished and now he is running for POTUS. I can point to my own family and my own life to demonstrate that nobody is confined by the circumstances of his/her birth in this country. Disadvantaged? Yes. In a situation where you have to work harder than the other guy? Yes. That happens and is sometimes the luck of the draw. But that is very different from a caste system.

That is one of the traditional values that I think should be emphasized in the schools and by everybody. If you are born poor, you don't have to stay poor. If you are ignorant there are limitless opportunities to educate yourself. Some of our most distinguished citizens would have been called 'disadvantaged' in their childhood and youth, and yet rose above their circumstances to achieve great things. Nobody should accept being a victim in this country but instead take advantages of the limitless opportunities that our Constitution affords us. Stop blaming and resenting the other guy and get busy.

I suppose in the strictest sense, as "Caste" is definded in Victorian England, or contemporary India, the word cannot be strictly applied anywhere. Basically this means if you are born into a certain socio-economic structure, then you will spend your life there. However, there are exceptions to this rule in England, India, and of course the USA.

My comment about caste is more related to the advantages of birth: To believe that if you are born into a wealthy family in the USA, then you have no more advantage than anyone born into a "middle caste (class)" family, is ludicrous.

Samson...don't you think 'ludicrous' is laying it on a bit too thick.

"I lived for about a decade, on and off, in France and later moved to the United States. Nobody in their right mind would give up the manifold sensual, aesthetic and gastronomic pleasures offered by French savoir-vivre for the unrelenting battlefield of American ambition were it not for one thing: possibility.

You know possibility when you breathe it. For an immigrant, it lies in the ease of American identity and the boundlessness of American horizons after the narrower confines of European nationhood and the stifling attentions of the European nanny state, which has often made it more attractive not to work than to work. High French unemployment was never much of a mystery."
Roger Cohen: One France is enough - The New York Times


I can testify to the truth of that quote.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I want to add to the Samson post....
1. While one may begin life with more material things...an argument, and a strong one, can be made that any wealthy person who simply gives these to their scion will raise members of the gang we see in the Pee Party, the OWS group...

2. Real wealth comes from earning not being given. Coolidge got it right:
Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.

And this has nothing to do with being born wealthy.