Good ol days

Basically you can get financed for 2.5X your household income. My wife and I knew we wanted about a $750 payment. We got approved for $160,000 we said no thinks and got a small "starter" house for $105,000.

You sound like us. Bank approved us for way more than what we were comfortable paying. We looked down the road and knew that when kids came along we really wanted to be able to have me stay home with them. We opted for a smaller house, further up the road than planned. We also stayed there for longer than we planned and while I was still working full-time socked away as much as possible and paid more on the mortgage. It benefited us then, as well as when we bought this house 10 years ago.



You used you common sense rather than getting talked into something you didn't need. Once we get our house paid off we will either remodel because we really like the neighborhood or we will move to a bigger house with a bigger kitchen a famly room and theater /office room and a MUCH nicer master suite. I want to do a second floor addition above the half of the house above the garage but I thin it may be cost prohibitive.

Exactly. A lot of people hear 'you can afford xxx' and go with it, never stopping to think about the reality of actually living with a mortgage at that number and never consider downsizing in order to save money. Our mortgage will be paid off in a few years. :thup:
 
You sound like us. Bank approved us for way more than what we were comfortable paying. We looked down the road and knew that when kids came along we really wanted to be able to have me stay home with them. We opted for a smaller house, further up the road than planned. We also stayed there for longer than we planned and while I was still working full-time socked away as much as possible and paid more on the mortgage. It benefited us then, as well as when we bought this house 10 years ago.



You used you common sense rather than getting talked into something you didn't need. Once we get our house paid off we will either remodel because we really like the neighborhood or we will move to a bigger house with a bigger kitchen a famly room and theater /office room and a MUCH nicer master suite. I want to do a second floor addition above the half of the house above the garage but I thin it may be cost prohibitive.

Exactly. A lot of people hear 'you can afford xxx' and go with it, never stopping to think about the reality of actually living with a mortgage at that number and never consider downsizing in order to save money. Our mortgage will be paid off in a few years. :thup:

Just saw this on front page, Yahoo!

Top 5 Mistakes We Make Teaching Kids About Money - Parenting on Shine

Top 5 Mistakes We Make Teaching Kids About Money

by ivillage_manageyourlife, on Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:37am PDT
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By Laura Rowley


We all make stupid money mistakes. Find out if you're making bad money decisions with this advice from Kodak spokesperson and money expert Laura Rowley.


1. Becoming a Human ATM Machine
Give children an allowance and let them know what they have to pay for out of their own stash—whether it's the ice cream truck, the goodies in the $1 aisle at the discount store or that Scholastic book order form that comes home from school. This reduces nagging, allows them to develop math skills and learn from their mistakes. It's amazing to see how much more they value the things they paid for themselves.


2. Overlooking Every Day Lessons
Don't miss opportunities to discuss simple economics in every day settings. While grocery shopping, explain why it's smarter to choose the package that costs less per pound, or the more affordable generic brand; and why it makes sense to stock up when an item is on sale. Explain why savvy savings habits make sense: "By saving just $15 a week using the grocery store's loyalty cards and coupons, we'll have almost $800 at the end of the year to spend on something fun."

3. Not Involving Kids in Longer-Term Goals
Solid money management comes down to two things, planning ahead and making choices. If you're planning a vacation, talk to the kids about the budget: airfare, lodging and entertainment. Take a coffee can and label it the "Vacation Fund" and throw in your loose change at the end of the day. Take the coins to the bank and show the kids how the money is adding up; and how the bank will pay you interest for storing the cash in a savings account. Give them a specific budget for souvenirs—say $15—and suggest they increase it by earning cash for the trip through lemonade stands, dog sitting or lawn mowing.


4. Missing the Opportunity to Motivate Their Savings Habits
If your kids put money in the bank, match their contributions. I took my kids to our local bank branch when they were 8, 6 and 4 and opened savings accounts for all of them. I matched the money they deposited, using the opportunity to discuss how a 401(k) plan works and why someone should contribute up to the amount of the company match (free money!).


5. Not Explaining How Plastic Works
According to a study by Nellie Mae, the student loan firm, the average college freshman has $1,500 in credit card debt, and that figure doubles by the time they graduate. Some 56 percent of college seniors carry four or more credit cards. That's when the real trouble starts, because if teens lose the battle to understand and manage credit cards at 18, the damage can haunt them for years. An estimated 70 percent of employers check credit scores before they hire. Over time, a low credit score will suck tens of thousands of dollars out of your child's pocket when they seek financing for an auto or a home. Consider allowing a teen to practice with a pre-paid, reloadable debit card such as Visa Buxx. It has fewer fees than competing cards and features parental controls—such as setting a weekly cash limit. Parents can also get email alerts showing when and where a teen used the card, setting the stage for discussions about wise spending.
 
Basically you can get financed for 2.5X your household income. My wife and I knew we wanted about a $750 payment. We got approved for $160,000 we said no thinks and got a small "starter" house for $105,000.
Now, why the hell would you want to be personally fiscally responsible like that?
You are obviously to stupid to be a congressman.
<yes, that was sarcasm>




Yeah I could've has a WAY bigger kitchen and I could even have someone cooking my soup FOR me.
When I bought my house, I qualified for way more than I spent.
The banker, the real estate agent, my family and my friends all said, "your house is your biggest investment, buy as much as you can afford". They were all wrong.
I've put way less money into my stock portfolio than I have into my house. My investment portfolio is worth more than my house despite the fact that my house has doubled in value since I bought it.
 
My dad made just under 500.00 a month in 1965 , he and my mom bought a seven year old , 1200 sq. ft. house in Los Angeles a mile from the beach for 16,100.00 , today home prices in the area start at 500,000.00. For the same old houses built in the 50's . My mom stayed home with the kids , five of us . What kind of income would it take to pull that off today ?
 
Check out what the middle class family had and did back in the 50's and 60's. Today? How many televisions, computers, computer and video games. Look at how often they go out to eat. Cleaning and lawn care hired help. Vacations that cost in excess of $1000 per person, sometimes 2 or more times per year. How many cars? I know my mother would freak at a monthly phone bill over $100 per month, which includes a cell, cable, and computer hook up.

Twenty year olds want what took their parents years to provide, but they don't want to wait and they don't.

If a family with an income of $40k wanted to live on that, they can, but their standard of living will be more like that of the 50's and 60's.

That's a lot of what I see as the root problem too Annie.

"Twenty year olds" are certainly impatient today, but there's also far too many of their parents that should know better, who are just as bad, or worse.
I truly believe that if you can't pay for it, you can't afford it, and don't "NEED" it. Aside from a home, and maybe a reasonable amount for a vehicle, there is no excuse for being in permanent debt. No, it's not easy to do, quite the opposite, but life isn't supposed to be easy.
Slow and steady will usually win the race of life. I can only hope my kids that now think I'm an asshole at times because I won't by them this or that, will eventually understand, same as I thought my dad was an asshole many times while growing up, but was eventually grateful for.





Parents today are FAR too permisive. Buying their kids BRAND NEW CARS. EVERY electronice device man can create. The nicest cloths from ONLY the right stores. SPOILED FIG RATS if you ask me.

Not all parents, Cold. We have one TV, so I can easily monitor what they're watching as much as for minetary reasons. No expensive video game systems (there are pleny of free and safe games online for them) and not much in the way of fancy clothes from the "right" stores. I bought the very best car I could afford brand new in 1995 and I'm still driving it 25 miles to work every day. Why not, there's nothing wrong with it. Instead of buying a bunch of crap, I paid off all my other debts, make extra payments on the student loans and my kids each have several thousand dollars already in their college funds. There are a lot of people who don't buy into consumerism, and who try to teach their kids to do the same.
 
that was the post war boom. moms didn't have to work. she just finished up 4 years working in war plants.

Moms work harder than anyone else. ;)

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that was the post war boom. moms didn't have to work. she just finished up 4 years working in war plants.

Moms work harder than anyone else. ;)

I was never a mom, but I was a single parent. I worked plenty hard.
I would say your statement was too generic.
Single parents work harder than anyone else.

Single dads get a ton of respect from me. Y'all don't just have to do everything single moms do, but you have the stereotypes to contend with too. Here's to single dads. :beer:
 
that was the post war boom. moms didn't have to work. she just finished up 4 years working in war plants.

Moms work harder than anyone else. ;)

I was never a mom, but I was a single parent. I worked plenty hard.
I would say your statement was too generic.
Single parents work harder than anyone else.

Having never been a single parent I can't answer that. Having been a full-time parent to three, one special needs . . . it was, more often than not, overwhelmingly daunting. But you're right about being too generic, I stand corrected. Parents work harder than anyone else.
 
Did you guys ever know a guy in school who got a BRAND NEW CAR for his B-Day in his junior year? By the time he cam back for senior year he was driving the biggest piece of shit on campus. LOL!

I see quite a bit of that with my oldest kids buddies and their atv's. Many of them had their atv's(good ones) from a very young age, while my kid drove me fuckin' nuts to get him one. I resisted, explaining I didn't have the money to outright buy him one, and wasn't going in debt for a toy.
Well, when he was 14 he came home with this old antique thing that had a seized engine, and was in pretty rough shape, that he bought from a friend of his dad for $50. He scrounged the parts up and worked on it through the winter and had himself a bike in the spring for $500. Certainly nothing special, but he was riding and had a little money left in his account for maintenance.
He rode it until that fall when he sold it, more than doubling his money, and put the money with what he earned that summer and got himself a nice 4yr old bike that fits in with his buddies now.
Their bikes are all beat to fuck and he polishes and maintains his after every ride. Now he sees and understands why I'm so "anal" with the way I look after my stuff.

Anyway, just an illustration of you really do appreciate what you've worked for, and it is rewarding to eventually see your kid pull it off.
 
Did you guys ever know a guy in school who got a BRAND NEW CAR for his B-Day in his junior year? By the time he cam back for senior year he was driving the biggest piece of shit on campus. LOL!

I see quite a bit of that with my oldest kids buddies and their atv's. Many of them had their atv's(good ones) from a very young age, while my kid drove me fuckin' nuts to get him one. I resisted, explaining I didn't have the money to outright buy him one, and wasn't going in debt for a toy.
Well, when he was 14 he came home with this old antique thing that had a seized engine, and was in pretty rough shape, that he bought from a friend of his dad for $50. He scrounged the parts up and worked on it through the winter and had himself a bike in the spring for $500. Certainly nothing special, but he was riding and had a little money left in his account for maintenance.
He rode it until that fall when he sold it, more than doubling his money, and put the money with what he earned that summer and got himself a nice 4yr old bike that fits in with his buddies now.
Their bikes are all beat to fuck and he polishes and maintains his after every ride. Now he sees and understands why I'm so "anal" with the way I look after my stuff.

Anyway, just an illustration of you really do appreciate what you've worked for, and it is rewarding to eventually see your kid pull it off.

:thup:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ba1614 again.
 
When I had my daughter in 1995, I wanted to be a stay at home mom. We were DIRT POOR, because my (ex) husband was starting his own business. Our social life consisted of taking the baby to my moms on Friday nights, and playing poker with her and my sister for change.

We had a tiny 2 bedroom apartment, but it was the best thing ever being able to stay with my daughter the first 14 months of her life, and not have to put her in daycare.

Then, when all the lying and cheating started and I left him, I had to get a job. Thank goodness teachers have summers off and holidays. It gives me the opportunity to spend as much time with my daughter while supporting us too.

We didn't even get the internet here until 2006, I couldn't afford it for one thing. As each year goes by I get a one percent raise (don't be jealous!) and have never received a dime of child support.

So do I wish I could have been a stay at home mom all her young years like my mom was? Yes, but things worked out well for the two of us I'd say, we don't have a lot of "stuff" but we are happy.
 

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