Going to be a big door swinging in Washington DC

[Frankeneinstein]

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

​

They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Gotta have room to put the Brownshirts in.

Are you drunk?

Lol...I know this wasn't for me, but yeah, I may be...it'll take another Becks or 2 to know for sure!...carry on

 

[depotoo]

Agreed, but I posted the facts. And they did pay for or return $114,000 worth of items. Not an insignificant amount, in my eyes.

Depends on your meaning

White House Vandalized In Transition, G.A.O. Finds

The General Accounting Office, an investigative arm of Congress, said today that ''damage, theft, vandalism and pranks did occur in the White House complex'' in the presidential transition from Bill Clinton to George W. Bush. The agency put the cost at $13,000 to $14,000, including $4,850 to replace computer keyboards, many with damaged or missing W keys.

Some of the damage, it said, was clearly intentional. Glue was smeared on desk drawers. Messages disparaging President Bush were left on signs and in telephone voice mail. A few of the messages used profane or obscene language.

''A Secret Service report documented the theft of a presidential seal that was 12 inches in diameter from the Eisenhower Executive Office Building,'' next to the White House, on Jan. 19, 2001, the accounting office said...

The accounting office confirmed that $9,324 had been spent to repair or replace various items and to clean offices. That included $4,850 for 62 keyboards, $2,040 for 26 cellphones and $1,150 for professional cleaning. In addition, the White House and the General Services Administration estimated that it cost $3,750 to $4,675 to replace missing doorknobs, medallions and office signs and the large presidential seal, the accounting office said.

And-

Clintons Return White House Furniture
After they were criticized for taking $190,000 worth of china, flatware, rugs, televisions, sofas and other gifts with them when they left, the Clintons announced last week that they would pay for $86,000 worth of gifts, or nearly half the amount.

Their latest decision to send back $28,000 in gifts brings to $114,000 the value of items the Clintons have either decided to pay for or return.

McDaniel discussed the matter Wednesday with Betty Monkman, the White House curator, and Gary Walters, the chief usher, or executive manager of the White House.

They were reviewing the gifts the Clintons chose to keep after $28,000 worth of items were found on a list of donations the Park Service received for the 1993 White House redecoration project. The Washington Post this week quoted three people who said that they assumed the furnishings they donated for the project would stay in the White House.

“As a result of questions about the status of certain property donated to the White House during the Clinton administration, the National Park Service will accept the return of the property in question and act as a custodian of such property,” according to a statement released by the Park Service, which administers the White House as a unit of the national park system.

A person familiar with the Clintons’ move out of the White House, who spoke on condition of anonymity, would say only: “They’ve been returned.”

Yes, but in the first article - it also stated:
The accounting office said similar pranks were reported in prior transitions, including the one from Mr. Bush's father to Mr. Clinton in 1993. ''We were unable to conclude,'' it said, ''whether the 2001 transition was worse than previous ones.''

Compare that with what Cont's article claimed - As they left the White House, the Clintons Defaced Walls, Stole Furniture and Much Much Worse

And, similarly with the claim they stole all this stuff - while there is a "grain of truth" - there are also a lot of falsifications: Viral image claims Clintons stole $200k in furniture, china and artwork from White House

 

[defcon4]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

That is a classy move Coyote. Don't see that often on the interwebs.

______________

Nor do you often see someone make such a fool of himself. I think you expect that from some ordinary poster, but this is the chief Moderator with obvious Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Hurts the board...makes Sane people feel like they aren't going to be treated fairly when they post.

Now, I am not known for ass kissing but she is fair when on "duty." Really is.

"I am not known for ass kissing"

My ass is an exception as I have an exceptional ass

Well, I was not talking about you. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

 

[Tresha91203]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

Not just the NYT, but the MSM and Google. Run a search and see what your MSM is pushing. THAT is why we "rightards" don't believe them. I hope you keep this in mind instead of automatically believing their propaganda in the future. It is pervasive. Journalism is dead. Welcome to the reality of DNC Pravda.

I don't agree with your analysis of MSM (and that includes Fox)- I find trustworthyness varies according to the agency and the topics they write about. Broadbrushing them is like broad brushing all liberals as libtards or all conservatives as conservatards. (and, frankly, I get sick of being termed "libtard"). The media is only as good as the readers willingness to apply critical thinking - which I didn't in this OP. Mea Culpa. The NYT article wasn't WRONG in the sense that every statement was factual- it wasn't "fake news" - nothing was made up. But it was presented in such a way as to imply this was something new and unprecedented, and that former administrations had acted differently so it was deliberately being deceptive.

And the 2 pages of MSM that did the same? Propaganda is not fake news? Right wing propaganda is fake news and left wing propaganda isn't? The story was a lie. It is NOT unprecedented. It is the norm. They made up a story and the MSM pushed it. Many of those same outlets published when Obama did the same but with no negative connotations. The whole story is that Trump is hurting children and families in this unprecedented spiteful move. That is FAKE NEWS and it has been ongoing for a long time. Of course we don't trust them. You shouldn't either, much less show such disdain for people who rightly call the MSM heavily left leaning.

 

[Coyote]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

That is a classy move Coyote. Don't see that often on the interwebs.

______________

Nor do you often see someone make such a fool of himself. I think you expect that from some ordinary poster, but this is the chief Moderator with obvious Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Hurts the board...makes Sane people feel like they aren't going to be treated fairly when they post.

Not in this case. I know her from another board. She put up a point and defended it as best she could until it was obvious it wasn't correct and then said so. I have no problem with that. There are plenty of other's that wouldn't do the same in any circumstance. Let it go man. She deserves some kudos for coming around. As a bonus our point won right? No need to be an asshole about it when she conceded. Show a little class back and just accept the concession.

She's calling the source that was correct a fake news source but will not call the source pushing DNC propaganda fake news. It's because we are rightards to her as she stated.

If you dislike the term "rightard" then don't use the term "libtard". You do understand that don't you?

I called the Breitbart article claiming Obama's ambassadors were horribly behaved "fake news". Ok, I'll make a correction here - it's not "fake news" (though I did use quotes when I used to term since I was being sarcastic) - but it's like the NYT article - it's heavily slanted and biased. It's IMPLYING that Obama's ambassadors were horribly behaved and worse than that of other administrations. Just like the NYT article IMPLIED that Trumps firing of ambassadors was worse than that of other administrations.

The other one I referred to as "fake news" was post 138, and I provided a source showing that it was, at the very least a gross exageration.

So which one are you talking about?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

​

They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Gotta have room to put the Brownshirts in.

Are you drunk?

Lol...I know this wasn't for me, but yeah, I may be...it'll take another Becks or 2 to know for sure!...carry on

Becks?

You should have a Martini Cocktail, must be Tanqueray No. Ten, orange peel or green olives, shaken but not stirred.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

That is a classy move Coyote. Don't see that often on the interwebs.

______________

Nor do you often see someone make such a fool of himself. I think you expect that from some ordinary poster, but this is the chief Moderator with obvious Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Hurts the board...makes Sane people feel like they aren't going to be treated fairly when they post.

Now, I am not known for ass kissing but she is fair when on "duty." Really is.

"I am not known for ass kissing"

My ass is an exception as I have an exceptional ass

Well, I was not talking about you. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

I'm afraid there might be film on the Internets

 

[defcon4]

That is a classy move Coyote. Don't see that often on the interwebs.

______________

Nor do you often see someone make such a fool of himself. I think you expect that from some ordinary poster, but this is the chief Moderator with obvious Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Hurts the board...makes Sane people feel like they aren't going to be treated fairly when they post.

Now, I am not known for ass kissing but she is fair when on "duty." Really is.

"I am not known for ass kissing"

My ass is an exception as I have an exceptional ass

Well, I was not talking about you. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

I'm afraid there might be film on the Internets

I am quite confident it is not the case but you never know with these Russian hackers.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

​

They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Gotta have room to put the Brownshirts in.

Are you drunk?

Lol...I know this wasn't for me, but yeah, I may be...it'll take another Becks or 2 to know for sure!...carry on

Becks?

You should have a Martini Cocktail, must be Tanqueray No. Ten, orange peel or green olives, shaken but not stirred.

Not a hard liquor drinker, but when I do drink it, it is always Tanqueray ...tonic and lime of course

 

[Againsheila]

Obama did the same-
44 - Obama Gives Political Ambassadors Their Pink Slips

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

​

They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Did Obama refuse to provide any grace periods for families with children in school for example?

You can't just admit you were wrong and apologize can you? Nope, ya gotta try and find something to complain about when it comes to Trump but you have no problems with Obama and his actions. Did he allow the Russian ambassadors and their workers and their children any compassion at all? Nope, he just closed those embassies and sent them home, then put an embargo on the country, trying to start a war and make sure Trump starts out with the worst possible situation Obama can create.

 

[Ame®icano]

Lefties should grow up and stop whining.

No, no, let them whine all the more!

Most Americans despise their bullshit, so we should encourage them to just ramp it up, not diminish it, lol.

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[Lucy Hamilton]

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

​

They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Gotta have room to put the Brownshirts in.

Are you drunk?

Lol...I know this wasn't for me, but yeah, I may be...it'll take another Becks or 2 to know for sure!...carry on

Becks?

You should have a Martini Cocktail, must be Tanqueray No. Ten, orange peel or green olives, shaken but not stirred.

Not a hard liquor drinker, but when I do drink it, it is always Tanqueray ...tonic and lime of course

"Not a hard liquor drinker, but when I do drink it, it is always Tanqueray ...tonic and lime of course"

Lime is okay, I adore Tanqueray No. Ten, I adore Gin Martini's.

 

[Coyote]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

Not just the NYT, but the MSM and Google. Run a search and see what your MSM is pushing. THAT is why we "rightards" don't believe them. I hope you keep this in mind instead of automatically believing their propaganda in the future. It is pervasive. Journalism is dead. Welcome to the reality of DNC Pravda.

I don't agree with your analysis of MSM (and that includes Fox)- I find trustworthyness varies according to the agency and the topics they write about. Broadbrushing them is like broad brushing all liberals as libtards or all conservatives as conservatards. (and, frankly, I get sick of being termed "libtard"). The media is only as good as the readers willingness to apply critical thinking - which I didn't in this OP. Mea Culpa. The NYT article wasn't WRONG in the sense that every statement was factual- it wasn't "fake news" - nothing was made up. But it was presented in such a way as to imply this was something new and unprecedented, and that former administrations had acted differently so it was deliberately being deceptive.

And the 2 pages of MSM that did the same?

What 2 pages of "MSM"? MSM is a wide variety of different media sources with differing levels of accuracy and differing bias' - so what are you talking about with this nefarious "MSM"?

Propaganda is not fake news?

News can be fake, biased, slanted, inaccurate and those can all mean different things.
Fake news is fake - mostly made up. One example would be the claim that "Trump Made a Victory Tour in Red Square" or "Pizzagate".

Biased and slanted news is just that - it's "accurate" in so far as the facts check out, but it's formated in such a way as to imply something else or it leaves out information and context that provides the whole picture. It's not fake news.

News can also just be wrong - for example the election predictions (and predictions are just that, predictions) - it's not not necessarily deliberate slanting or bias.

Right wing propaganda is fake news and left wing propaganda isn't?

Anything can be fake news.

The story was a lie. It is NOT unprecedented. It is the norm. They made up a story and the MSM pushed it.

The facts presented in the story weren't lies - the conclusions and the implications were dishonest and heavily slanted.

Trump DID say - NO EXCEPTIONS
Precedent of previous administrations was that the incoming administration could be petitioned for exceptions and they might or might not be granted.
The article left out a lot of context - for example, that what Trump did was largely normal and in line with other administrations who had granted exceptions (but not that many). The NYT slanted the story to imply that Trump was being far crueler than preceding administrations.

Many of those same outlets published when Obama did the same but with no negative connotations. The whole story is that Trump is hurting children and families in this unprecedented spiteful move. That is FAKE NEWS and it has been ongoing for a long time. Of course we don't trust them. You shouldn't either, much less show such disdain for people who rightly call the MSM heavily left leaning.

I don't trust your rightwing-leaning MSM outlets either with all the negative, fake and dishonest reporting they've done on Obama. But it's not necessarily "fake news".

 

[Frankeneinstein]

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

​

They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Gotta have room to put the Brownshirts in.

Are you drunk?

Lol...I know this wasn't for me, but yeah, I may be...it'll take another Becks or 2 to know for sure!...carry on

Becks?

You should have a Martini Cocktail, must be Tanqueray No. Ten, orange peel or green olives, shaken but not stirred.

Partaker of the finer things [spirits] in life?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Gotta have room to put the Brownshirts in.

Are you drunk?

Lol...I know this wasn't for me, but yeah, I may be...it'll take another Becks or 2 to know for sure!...carry on

Becks?

You should have a Martini Cocktail, must be Tanqueray No. Ten, orange peel or green olives, shaken but not stirred.

Not a hard liquor drinker, but when I do drink it, it is always Tanqueray ...tonic and lime of course

"Not a hard liquor drinker, but when I do drink it, it is always Tanqueray ...tonic and lime of course"

Lime is okay, I adore Tanqueray No. Ten, I adore Gin Martini's.

Preaching to the choir lucy

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Obama did the same-
44 - Obama Gives Political Ambassadors Their Pink Slips

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

​

They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Did Obama refuse to provide any grace periods for families with children in school for example?

You can't just admit you were wrong and apologize can you? Nope, ya gotta try and find something to complain about when it comes to Trump but you have no problems with Obama and his actions. Did he allow the Russian ambassadors and their workers and their children any compassion at all? Nope, he just closed those embassies and sent them home, then put an embargo on the country, trying to start a war and make sure Trump starts out with the worst possible situation Obama can create.

Obama is devoid of class, he has remained a Community Organising Agitator thanks to his Saul Alinsky Training Manual.

This is the sort of person Obama is, he laughed and joked about Antonin Scalia's death.

 

[Coyote]

Obama did the same-
44 - Obama Gives Political Ambassadors Their Pink Slips

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

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They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Did Obama refuse to provide any grace periods for families with children in school for example?

You can't just admit you were wrong and apologize can you? Nope, ya gotta try and find something to complain about when it comes to Trump but you have no problems with Obama and his actions. Did he allow the Russian ambassadors and their workers and their children any compassion at all? Nope, he just closed those embassies and sent them home, then put an embargo on the country, trying to start a war and make sure Trump starts out with the worst possible situation Obama can create.

Oh bugger off. I did.

 

[SmokeALib]

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

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They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Gotta have room to put the Brownshirts in.

Are you drunk?

Lol...I know this wasn't for me, but yeah, I may be...it'll take another Becks or 2 to know for sure!...carry on

Becks?

You should have a Martini Cocktail, must be Tanqueray No. Ten, orange peel or green olives, shaken but not stirred.

I'll take a 6-pack of those!

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

​

They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Gotta have room to put the Brownshirts in.

Are you drunk?

Lol...I know this wasn't for me, but yeah, I may be...it'll take another Becks or 2 to know for sure!...carry on

Becks?

You should have a Martini Cocktail, must be Tanqueray No. Ten, orange peel or green olives, shaken but not stirred.

Partaker of the finer things [spirits] in life?

Yes of course

 

[Tresha91203]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

That is a classy move Coyote. Don't see that often on the interwebs.

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Nor do you often see someone make such a fool of himself. I think you expect that from some ordinary poster, but this is the chief Moderator with obvious Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Hurts the board...makes Sane people feel like they aren't going to be treated fairly when they post.

Not in this case. I know her from another board. She put up a point and defended it as best she could until it was obvious it wasn't correct and then said so. I have no problem with that. There are plenty of other's that wouldn't do the same in any circumstance. Let it go man. She deserves some kudos for coming around. As a bonus our point won right? No need to be an asshole about it when she conceded. Show a little class back and just accept the concession.

She's calling the source that was correct a fake news source but will not call the source pushing DNC propaganda fake news. It's because we are rightards to her as she stated.

If you dislike the term "rightard" then don't use the term "libtard". You do understand that don't you?

I called the Breitbart article claiming Obama's ambassadors were horribly behaved "fake news". Ok, I'll make a correction here - it's not "fake news" (though I did use quotes when I used to term since I was being sarcastic) - but it's like the NYT article - it's heavily slanted and biased. It's IMPLYING that Obama's ambassadors were horribly behaved and worse than that of other administrations. Just like the NYT article IMPLIED that Trumps firing of ambassadors was worse than that of other administrations.

The other one I referred to as "fake news" was post 138, and I provided a source showing that it was, at the very least a gross exageration.

So which one are you talking about?

Please post where I've used "libtard."

Both of the ones you called fake news are heavily slanted or gross exaggerations in your opinion so you call them fake news. The NYT and every other MSM outlet that ran with this were heavily slanted and gross exaggerations, even an out and out lie with "unprecedented," but not fake news in your expressed opinion.

That is my point. Even when it is proven to you, you minimize the left's fake news and double down that RW sources are fake news.