Global Warming Scientific Consensus--Isn't

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    So, turns out there is no consensus on global warming. There is a rigid orthodoxy among scientific orgs that discourages honest discussion, and gives the appearance of some kind of agreement. But that is illusory.
    In any case, "consensus" is not what science is about. If every scientist agreed the earth was flat and one person could demonstrate that it was not, scientific consensus would be wrong. Which is where we are now.
    Sixteen Concerned Scientists: No Need to Panic About Global Warming - WSJ.com

    More at the source.
     
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    Dr. Giaever did not question the idea of AGW itself. He merely stated that, as a matter of scientific principle, there are no "incontrovertible" ideas in science. As a matter of principle, he is correct, and the APS may be legitimately criticized for a very poor choice of words.

    Find something he said that actually calls AGW into question, rather than insisting that it (and all other ideas) be OPEN to question, and you'll have something that suggests there may not be a consensus. This ain't it.
     
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    You clearly didnt ahve someone read you the rest of the article.
     
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    I agree with them. It's a myth.
     
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    More than 2,000 scientists think Global Warming is real etc etc etc etc etc

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    It wouldnt matter if 2000 scientists thought the earth was flat. It doesnt make it true.
     
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    Where's

    the

    SNOW??!!!!


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    In the last ice age there was not:

    *a damaged ozone layer

    *300 billion people

    *billions of cars/trucks

    *billions of homes

    *millions of large downtown commercial/office structures

    *tons of coal fired plants

    *tons of nuke plants

    *millions of manufacturing plants

    *tons upon tons of toxic lawn/landscape chemicals spread upon millions upon millions upon millions of yards trying to create the un-natural yard

    *a huge polluting USA government

    *a quite large polluting oil industry that dos not give a damn

    *a large unknown amount of depleted uranium weapons dust being spread
    around the world

    *millions of americans who don't give a damn and believe what misinformed
    politicians tell them
     
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    I'm afraid he did.

    That is questioning the idea of AWG.

    Furthermore, he said the following:

    In other words, he questioned the idea of AGW. Furthermore, he goes on to express skepticism that AGW is anything to be concerned about.

    Been there. Done that.
     
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