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First off FGM is not used to increase pleasure in a little girl. Why exactly is any person concerned with increasing pleasure in a a little girl 3-5 years old or a baby? IF FGM is so awesome, and is done to increase pleasure, then it should be voluntary, and not be done until one reaches the age of 18.
But you lie...
Everything I have read about FGM states that it is for PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE of what you say. FGM REMOVES the Clitoris. Again, why would you do this to a little girl? A baby? They don't even know what sex is yet.
What is female genital mutilation (FGM)?
Female genital mutilation is defined as the removal of part or all of the female genitalia for nonmedical reasons. It is also called female circumcision and cutting. The procedure is most often done to girls between birth and age 15.
What are the consequences of FGM?
Often carried out under primitive and unsanitary conditions without anesthetic, FGM can cause severe pain, bleeding, and swelling that may prevent passing urine or feces. In the long term, it leads to chronic pelvic infections, urinary tract infections, and birth complications for mothers and children. The horror of the event — including being physically restrained against their will — affects many women for years. There are no health benefits from the procedure, which is not medically necessary or condoned by the World Health Organization, most governments, and reputable medical associations.
Where is FGM practiced?
FGM is practiced in 30 countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia, but Egypt, Ethiopia, Nigeria, and Sudan account for about 42 percent of all cases. Migrants have carried the traditional practice with them to other countries in Europe and the Americas.
Again, I am going to post this. FGM is practiced exclusively in Muslim Countries, by Muslims.
Where is FGM practiced?
FGM is practiced in 30 countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia, but Egypt, Ethiopia, Nigeria, and Sudan account for about 42 percent of all cases. Migrants have carried the traditional practice with them to other countries in Europe and the Americas.
First off FGM is not used to increase pleasure in a little girl. Why exactly is any person concerned with increasing pleasure in a a little girl 3-5 years old or a baby? IF FGM is so awesome, and is done to increase pleasure, then it should be voluntary, and not be done until one reaches the age of 18.
But you lie...
Everything I have read about FGM states that it is for PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE of what you say. FGM REMOVES the Clitoris. Again, why would you do this to a little girl? A baby? They don't even know what sex is yet.
What is female genital mutilation (FGM)?
Female genital mutilation is defined as the removal of part or all of the female genitalia for nonmedical reasons. It is also called female circumcision and cutting. The procedure is most often done to girls between birth and age 15.
What are the consequences of FGM?
Often carried out under primitive and unsanitary conditions without anesthetic, FGM can cause severe pain, bleeding, and swelling that may prevent passing urine or feces. In the long term, it leads to chronic pelvic infections, urinary tract infections, and birth complications for mothers and children. The horror of the event — including being physically restrained against their will — affects many women for years. There are no health benefits from the procedure, which is not medically necessary or condoned by the World Health Organization, most governments, and reputable medical associations.
Where is FGM practiced?
FGM is practiced in 30 countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia, but Egypt, Ethiopia, Nigeria, and Sudan account for about 42 percent of all cases. Migrants have carried the traditional practice with them to other countries in Europe and the Americas.
Muslims do NOT do FGM.
Muslim may sometime do a slit in the prepuce, but that is NOT FGM.
And of course it is not done for the little girl's sexual advantage, but that of the adult she will turn into.
There is no Muslim tradition or religious source saying to remove ANYTHING from females, and only the glans from males.
Again, I am going to post this. FGM is practiced exclusively in Muslim Countries, by Muslims.
Where is FGM practiced?
FGM is practiced in 30 countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia, but Egypt, Ethiopia, Nigeria, and Sudan account for about 42 percent of all cases. Migrants have carried the traditional practice with them to other countries in Europe and the Americas.
You can post lies as often as you like, but they are still lies.
Muslims do NOT believe in FGM.
The most they believe in is male circumcision and a slight slit in the prepuce, or hood over the clitoris.
On many women the prepuce is so think and long that it prevents any clitoral stimulation.
FGM is not common in the Mideast, and is against Islam.
It is more common in Africa, where it predates Islam.
In that Hadith passage that Muslims cite, and which i posted in this thread, Mohammed clearly said it is allowed, and then clearly showed someone the best way to do it. That's both suggestion and approval. So it appears it is you who is the liar.Mohammad never even remotely suggest or approved of the removal of the clitoris.
Which is yet another shameless lie, as I presented:You gave no information at all.
You copied someone else's lie,
You clearly did, as any poster can see for himself. You first said the practice did not occur outside of Africa. When shown that was false, you changed lanes (without acknowledgment) to saying it was not "acceptable" outside of Africa.And you lie when you claim I changed anything.
100% incorrect. They do it for islam, and they say so. That is why the clerical class in Somalia is trying so hard to convince them that Islam does not demand this practice . I posted conclusive evidence of this. So you are embarrassing yourself, at this point.Somalis do what they want to do for themselves, not for Islam
allah lies and commands all those who follow him to lie if it advances the cause of Islam.
If the True God of Abraham does not lie, and commands people, “Thou shalt not lie,” and also states that “liars cannot enter in to the kingdom of heaven,” then allah is not God.
You lie like allah lies.
Go ahead and check out how many Islamic Nations engage in this. I dare you to debate the numbers in the provided link.
Types of Female Genital Mutilation/Cutting
Female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C) refers to a variety of operations involving partial or total removal of female external genitalia. The female external genital organ consists of the vulva, which is comprised of the labia majora, labia minora, and the clitoris covered by its hood in front of the urinary and vaginal openings.
In 2007, the World Health Organization classified FGM/C into four broad categories:
Type 1 or Clitoridectomy: Partial or total removal of the clitoris and/or the clitoral hood.
Type 2 or Excision: Partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora, with or without excision of the labia majora.
Type 3 or Infibulation: Narrowing of the vaginal orifice with creation of a covering seal by cutting and placing together the labia minora and/or the labia majora, with or without excision of the clitoris.
Type 4 or Unclassified: All other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for nonmedical purposes, for example, pricking, piercing, incising, scraping, and cauterization.
https://assets.prb.org/pdf17/FGMC Poster 2017.pdf
Note: Current questionnaires used in the Demographic and Health Surveys and the Multiple Cluster Indicator Surveys do not differentiate between Types I and II, but only between whether a girl or woman has been cut, whether tissue has been removed, and whether tissue has been sewn closed.
Source: World Health Organization, Eliminating Female Genital Mutilation: An Interagency Statement (Geneva:
Again, I am going to post this. FGM is practiced exclusively in Muslim Countries, by Muslims.
Where is FGM practiced?
FGM is practiced in 30 countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia, but Egypt, Ethiopia, Nigeria, and Sudan account for about 42 percent of all cases. Migrants have carried the traditional practice with them to other countries in Europe and the Americas.
You can post lies as often as you like, but they are still lies.
Muslims do NOT believe in FGM.
The most they believe in is male circumcision and a slight slit in the prepuce, or hood over the clitoris.
On many women the prepuce is so think and long that it prevents any clitoral stimulation.
FGM is not common in the Mideast, and is against Islam.
It is more common in Africa, where it predates Islam.
Shameless lie.and specifically Mohammad was against it.
In that Hadith passage that Muslims cite, and which i posted in this thread, Mohammed clearly said it is allowed, and then clearly showed someone the best way to do it. That's both suggestion and approval. So it appears it is you who is the liar.Mohammad never even remotely suggest or approved of the removal of the clitoris.
Which is yet another shameless lie, as I presented:You gave no information at all.
You copied someone else's lie,
1) a verse form the Hadith
2) an article showing that the clerical class of Somalia is engaging in an effort to convince Somalian the practice is not Islamic
3) another article clearly detailing the performance of the practice in the middle East and in Asia, in direct opposition to your false claim to the contrary.
You clearly did, as any poster can see for himself. You first said the practice did not occur outside of Africa. When shown that was false, you changed lanes (without acknowledgment) to saying it was not "acceptable" outside of Africa.And you lie when you claim I changed anything.
You're not going to to squirm out of your quackery and bullshit. These are a facts that anyone can see in black and white right here in this thread.
100% incorrect. They do it for islam, and they say so. That is why the clerical class in Somalia is trying so hard to convince them that Islam does not demand this practice . I posted conclusive evidence of this. So you are embarrassing yourself, at this point.Somalis do what they want to do for themselves, not for Islam
And I don't want to hear your pathetic apologism about"a minority of Africans". In Somalia, 98% of the females have been mutilated. If that is going to be addressed honestly, then their religion has to be part of the discussion. And if you can't work up the stones to do that, thenyou should get out of the way of the discussion.
Shameless lie.and specifically Mohammad was against it.
And prayer predates Islam. That doesn't mean praying Muslims aren't doing it for islam and drawing their reasons for doing it from Islam. So that is a red herring .
Muslims are beyond fucked up....Where is The Lying Left's OUTRAGE at Genital Mutilations being performed on women in these Muslim Enclaves in America?
You won't hear it. The Left hates women, babies and children as much as Radical Islam does.
To think that we have to start writing laws in AMERICA forbidding Genital Mutilation of little girls is disgusting, vile and putrid.
The Left brought this Evil in to this Country, and The Left should bear the responsibility for such disgusting behavior.
Minnesota lawmaker's push for tougher female genital mutilation law faces opposition
MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. – Republican state legislator Mary Franson has spent two years pushing for a new state law that would allow tougher prosecution of parents who facilitate or allow the genital mutilation of their daughters.
But Franson and supporters of those who want to punish more than just the practitioners of the horribly painful and widely condemned practice are finding opposition, both active and passive, to what its supporters believe should be a legislative no-brainer.
“The bill makes FGM (female genital mutilation) a felony, and it empowers social services to come in and take those children out of the home and remove the parental right from those parents,” Franson told Fox News in an interview. “This is completely on par with child endangerment such as criminal sexual conduct or assault with a dangerous weapon – anything that causes substantial bodily harm.”
Franson’s efforts have been far from smooth sailing. When her bill first hit the floor in 2017, it faced tough questioning from several lawmakers – among them then-state legislator and current U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar, who suggested Franson was using the bill as a bid for press attention.
"What I don't want us to do is to create laws because we want to get in the media,” Omar stated in a committee at the time. "What I would like to have been done is to have (the parents) charged with laws that already exist.”
Despite Omar's concerns, she and another 123 House members voted for the bill to pass on. Four other representatives did not. The bill fell flat in the Minnesota Senate.
Franson said Omar should have done more. “Ilhan hasn’t mentioned it at all. She never spoke about it on the House floor. She was in the back room watching it on the TV until it became time to vote, and she had to come out and vote.”
Omar’s support would have been particularly important because she represented the large Somali community where girls are at higher risk of being forced into FGM. And Franson argues it was in fact pressure from that community that kept her bill from moving forward.
Franson pointed to one case in 2017 in which two girls belonging to a small Indian Muslim sect known as the Dawoodi Bohra, according to court documents, who were taken to Michigan to have FGM performed, which Franson said motivated her to examine the issue more carefully.
“If this wasn’t happening,” Franson asked, “then why is our own health department dedicating resources to this?”
The Minnesota Department of Health offers an FGM “cutting prevention and outreach program” that offers funding for the MDH Refugee and International Health Program and the International Institute of Minnesota (IIMN) to form and co-lead a working group dedicated to prevention and community engagement on the matter.
The custom is not only carried out by trained medical practitioners in some communities; but also community elders in non-safe settings - with sharp scissors as a tool of choice.
The Shafi`i school of law mandates female genital mutilation. This is the dominant Muslim school of law in southeast Asia:
Islam in Southeast Asia - Wikipedia
Muslims are beyond fucked up....Where is The Lying Left's OUTRAGE at Genital Mutilations being performed on women in these Muslim Enclaves in America?
You won't hear it. The Left hates women, babies and children as much as Radical Islam does.
To think that we have to start writing laws in AMERICA forbidding Genital Mutilation of little girls is disgusting, vile and putrid.
The Left brought this Evil in to this Country, and The Left should bear the responsibility for such disgusting behavior.
Minnesota lawmaker's push for tougher female genital mutilation law faces opposition
MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. – Republican state legislator Mary Franson has spent two years pushing for a new state law that would allow tougher prosecution of parents who facilitate or allow the genital mutilation of their daughters.
But Franson and supporters of those who want to punish more than just the practitioners of the horribly painful and widely condemned practice are finding opposition, both active and passive, to what its supporters believe should be a legislative no-brainer.
“The bill makes FGM (female genital mutilation) a felony, and it empowers social services to come in and take those children out of the home and remove the parental right from those parents,” Franson told Fox News in an interview. “This is completely on par with child endangerment such as criminal sexual conduct or assault with a dangerous weapon – anything that causes substantial bodily harm.”
Franson’s efforts have been far from smooth sailing. When her bill first hit the floor in 2017, it faced tough questioning from several lawmakers – among them then-state legislator and current U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar, who suggested Franson was using the bill as a bid for press attention.
"What I don't want us to do is to create laws because we want to get in the media,” Omar stated in a committee at the time. "What I would like to have been done is to have (the parents) charged with laws that already exist.”
Despite Omar's concerns, she and another 123 House members voted for the bill to pass on. Four other representatives did not. The bill fell flat in the Minnesota Senate.
Franson said Omar should have done more. “Ilhan hasn’t mentioned it at all. She never spoke about it on the House floor. She was in the back room watching it on the TV until it became time to vote, and she had to come out and vote.”
Omar’s support would have been particularly important because she represented the large Somali community where girls are at higher risk of being forced into FGM. And Franson argues it was in fact pressure from that community that kept her bill from moving forward.
Franson pointed to one case in 2017 in which two girls belonging to a small Indian Muslim sect known as the Dawoodi Bohra, according to court documents, who were taken to Michigan to have FGM performed, which Franson said motivated her to examine the issue more carefully.
“If this wasn’t happening,” Franson asked, “then why is our own health department dedicating resources to this?”
The Minnesota Department of Health offers an FGM “cutting prevention and outreach program” that offers funding for the MDH Refugee and International Health Program and the International Institute of Minnesota (IIMN) to form and co-lead a working group dedicated to prevention and community engagement on the matter.
The custom is not only carried out by trained medical practitioners in some communities; but also community elders in non-safe settings - with sharp scissors as a tool of choice.
Well, that's an opinion with which millions of Muslims obviously do not agree. So for about the tenth time go complain to them.There is no verse in the Quran suggesting FGM at all, and the Hadith says it should be as little as possible
Like I said, Muslims are beyond fucked up...I’m not up to date with the genital mutilation thing. Is it any different than circumcision or are we talking about the same thing?Where is The Lying Left's OUTRAGE at Genital Mutilations being performed on women in these Muslim Enclaves in America?
You won't hear it. The Left hates women, babies and children as much as Radical Islam does.
To think that we have to start writing laws in AMERICA forbidding Genital Mutilation of little girls is disgusting, vile and putrid.
The Left brought this Evil in to this Country, and The Left should bear the responsibility for such disgusting behavior.
Minnesota lawmaker's push for tougher female genital mutilation law faces opposition
MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. – Republican state legislator Mary Franson has spent two years pushing for a new state law that would allow tougher prosecution of parents who facilitate or allow the genital mutilation of their daughters.
But Franson and supporters of those who want to punish more than just the practitioners of the horribly painful and widely condemned practice are finding opposition, both active and passive, to what its supporters believe should be a legislative no-brainer.
“The bill makes FGM (female genital mutilation) a felony, and it empowers social services to come in and take those children out of the home and remove the parental right from those parents,” Franson told Fox News in an interview. “This is completely on par with child endangerment such as criminal sexual conduct or assault with a dangerous weapon – anything that causes substantial bodily harm.”
Franson’s efforts have been far from smooth sailing. When her bill first hit the floor in 2017, it faced tough questioning from several lawmakers – among them then-state legislator and current U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar, who suggested Franson was using the bill as a bid for press attention.
"What I don't want us to do is to create laws because we want to get in the media,” Omar stated in a committee at the time. "What I would like to have been done is to have (the parents) charged with laws that already exist.”
Despite Omar's concerns, she and another 123 House members voted for the bill to pass on. Four other representatives did not. The bill fell flat in the Minnesota Senate.
Franson said Omar should have done more. “Ilhan hasn’t mentioned it at all. She never spoke about it on the House floor. She was in the back room watching it on the TV until it became time to vote, and she had to come out and vote.”
Omar’s support would have been particularly important because she represented the large Somali community where girls are at higher risk of being forced into FGM. And Franson argues it was in fact pressure from that community that kept her bill from moving forward.
Franson pointed to one case in 2017 in which two girls belonging to a small Indian Muslim sect known as the Dawoodi Bohra, according to court documents, who were taken to Michigan to have FGM performed, which Franson said motivated her to examine the issue more carefully.
“If this wasn’t happening,” Franson asked, “then why is our own health department dedicating resources to this?”
The Minnesota Department of Health offers an FGM “cutting prevention and outreach program” that offers funding for the MDH Refugee and International Health Program and the International Institute of Minnesota (IIMN) to form and co-lead a working group dedicated to prevention and community engagement on the matter.
The custom is not only carried out by trained medical practitioners in some communities; but also community elders in non-safe settings - with sharp scissors as a tool of choice.
Yes. It is the removal of the clitoris, with a sharp object, while the subject is awake. Unspeakable cruelty.
But here's the reason why this law is being opposed:
What I don't want us to do is to create laws because we want to get in the media,” Omar stated in a committee at the time. "What I would like to have been done is to have (the parents) charged with laws that already exist.”
The idea of taking the children from the parents, automatically terminating their parental rights will PREVENT people from reporting these crimes, in the same way that the immediate arrest and removal of a parent accused of child sexual abuse from the home keeps many children from reporting that abuse.
If victims have their entire lives and families destroyed by reporting, they will hold onto that secret until the day they die. I have a family member who was thrown out of her home, and sent to live with family hundreds of miles away, that she thought were DEAD, because when her step-father beat and raped her when she was 12, and she ran naked and bleeding to the neighbours for help and they called the police. Her mother called her a lying whore who was trying to steal her husband. This child is now retired, and her mother has never forgiven her for the "trouble" she caused that night.
I tried to talk a young boy into going to the police about the violent beatings he and his sister were being subjected to. He had told his grandmother but she herself had been beaten by her son's father and never reported it, either the father or the son. I told the boy I'd go to the police with him, but both he and his sister said that the family would never forgive them.
I'm sure that will be very comforting to the millions and millions of mutilated women in Africa. I will send them your regards.which most Muslims do not.
