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"Unfortunately, McCains memory is suffering. In fact, McCain has engaged in the very same behavior that he was criticizing Franken for yesterday.
On October 10, 2002 just ahead of the looming mid-term elections the Senate rushed a debate on a war authorization giving President Bush the power to use force against Iraq. The resolution ultimately passed the Senate after midnight on an early Friday morning by a vote of 77-23.
During the course of the frenzied floor debate, then-Sen. Mark Dayton (D-MN) spoke in favor of an amendment offered by Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) that would have restricted Bushs constitutional powers to wage war against Iraq. After a minute and a half, Dayton ran out of time, prompting this exchange:The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senators time has expired.
Mr. DAYTON. I ask for unanimous consent that I have 30 seconds more to finish my remarks.
Mr. McCAIN. I object.
and who was in control of that Senate?
and what Senate LEADER allowed the Resolution AND the Patriot Act to be passed without debate?
and who knew there was 2 sets of intel used to allowed the law to be passed?
and why do the Democrats...TO THIS VERY DAY...refuse to repeal the iraq War Resolution?
you and your party have no room to throw stones inside a glass house.
So you are denying that McCain once again opened his mouth and inserted his foot? What a hypocrite.
in liberal speak?
Dems, follow Al and disrespect Douch Lieberman every single time he tries to speak from now on. Get that idiot out as soon as you can!
Lieberman is an example of the "banality of evil."
That was a perfect impression of the "but, but, but defense."For the click-phobic:
"Unfortunately, McCains memory is suffering. In fact, McCain has engaged in the very same behavior that he was criticizing Franken for yesterday.
On October 10, 2002 just ahead of the looming mid-term elections the Senate rushed a debate on a war authorization giving President Bush the power to use force against Iraq. The resolution ultimately passed the Senate after midnight on an early Friday morning by a vote of 77-23.
During the course of the frenzied floor debate, then-Sen. Mark Dayton (D-MN) spoke in favor of an amendment offered by Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) that would have restricted Bushs constitutional powers to wage war against Iraq. After a minute and a half, Dayton ran out of time, prompting this exchange:The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senators time has expired.
Mr. DAYTON. I ask for unanimous consent that I have 30 seconds more to finish my remarks.
Mr. McCAIN. I object.
and who was in control of that Senate?
and what Senate LEADER allowed the Resolution AND the Patriot Act to be passed without debate?
and who knew there was 2 sets of intel used to allowed the law to be passed?
and why do the Democrats...TO THIS VERY DAY...refuse to repeal the iraq War Resolution?
you and your party have no room to throw stones inside a glass house.
[Emphasis added] Mrs. Lieberman doesn't get a penny from 'Big Pharm'. But you read it in a blog somewhere, so you had to parrot it as thinking for yourself is not something you do.I bet that did a lot to secure Lieberman's vote.
I watched it on cspan and was shocked. This does not happen in the US senate.
This will come back to bite Franken and the democrats, wait and see.
Yes, because this, THIS, will be the nail in the coffin for him to not vote for Health Care. Because that makes Joe such a great guy for voting not by what's good for this country but politics.
Never mind how much his wife is getting from Big Pharm and how much he's flip flopped over the past four months. I do hope Joe does run as a Republican for reelection, because there's no way in hell he's going to rewin his seat.
[Emphasis added] Mrs. Lieberman doesn't get a penny from 'Big Pharm'. But you read it in a blog somewhere, so you had to parrot it as thinking for yourself is not something you do.Yes, because this, THIS, will be the nail in the coffin for him to not vote for Health Care. Because that makes Joe such a great guy for voting not by what's good for this country but politics.
Never mind how much his wife is getting from Big Pharm and how much he's flip flopped over the past four months. I do hope Joe does run as a Republican for reelection, because there's no way in hell he's going to rewin his seat.
Who cares about Mrs. Lieberman?
Joe Lieberman is a lying sack of shit who is in the pocket of the insurance companies.
According to McCain, who was on the news report I saw, He has NEVER seen an action by the chair like this in twenty years on the Senate floor. Try to put this in perspective. The defense bill being considered is pretty important too. Why cutoff a speaker explaining his amendment when you don't normally do that?
McCain is full of shit.
Go back and study the shit the Rs did to the Dems in recent history while in power
Link?
Just what the fuck do you think these quotes proove?
How do they proove that Bush's lies did not exsit?
Bush lied about yellow cake and WMDs to the American people.
If you defend bush for this than you are a partisan hack of the greatest degree
These quotes prove that you are a partisan hack who only sees the things the republicans did wrong in relation to Iraq/WMD.
Ok let me make it more simple for you since you can't wrap your head around the truth when it is right in front of you. Here are quotes from PRE-BUSH
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
How is cutting waste from medicare harmful to medicare?? Besides that do you have the specific quotes that you are talking about in their complete context?? It's should be hard considering that you have supplied so many quote concerning the dems on iraq.
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I'm going to follow your previous examples from our interactions and pull a DRSMITH on you
Yes you are right it would be hard since Harry Reid wont release the latest version of the health care bill.
McCain is full of shit.
Go back and study the shit the Rs did to the Dems in recent history while in power
Link?
Really?? Then why didn't you ask for a link that shows the proof of mccain's statement that he hasn't seen anything like that in twenty years?? Where is the proof of that claim? Or do you apply a different standard to republicans and hold demcrats to a higher standard?
That seems to be that case considering that you seem to take anything a republican says as fact and without question and then you demand links where democrats are concerned.
How about proof be provided to back up mccain's original claim since that is where the disagreement began?
the republican party kept the lies for Bush and his wars built on LIES to the American people.
You will never see the democrats do that .
Oh crap, you were serious, weren't you?My advice: drink less koolaid.
did you see my post quoting him shortly after
Actually those quotes prove NOTHING about the poster since the poster had nothing to do with those quotes. However, Your use of the quotes does show that you are desperate to try and spread the blame to the democrats as you try to cover for bush.
Oh and since you are the one with all of the quotes that you obviously didn't get from some lame right wing talking points website (sarcasm) perhaps you could tell us and provide us with quotes concerning what republicans were saying about all of this back in 1998??
Furthermore, the other poster is right, presenting comments from democrats does nothing to change the fact that bush lied about yellow cake from niger and how in his rush to war, as he kicked out the inspectors, they based the majority of our intel on the comments of one man commonly known as "curve ball."
Do you really want an answer to this? Ok you asked for it
Oh crap, you were serious, weren't you?
did you see my post quoting him shortly after
And I asked you a simple question concerning those comments and how they were based on what the WH told congress and you avoided that simple question. Imagine that. LOL
Actually those quotes prove NOTHING about the poster since the poster had nothing to do with those quotes. However, Your use of the quotes does show that you are desperate to try and spread the blame to the democrats as you try to cover for bush.
Oh and since you are the one with all of the quotes that you obviously didn't get from some lame right wing talking points website (sarcasm) perhaps you could tell us and provide us with quotes concerning what republicans were saying about all of this back in 1998??
Furthermore, the other poster is right, presenting comments from democrats does nothing to change the fact that bush lied about yellow cake from niger and how in his rush to war, as he kicked out the inspectors, they based the majority of our intel on the comments of one man commonly known as "curve ball."
Do I respond when you lie about me in the very first paragraph or not? Sure I'll respond.
Unlike you I was being honest when I said that both parties, republican and democrat, were pushing forward with the WMD/Iraq scenerio. I never attempted to cover for bush only stated that fact...you had to inject your own opinion into it creating a red herring argument against me in paragraph 1
Lets move on to paragraph 2: Calling my quotes part of a "right wing talking points website" is yet another deflection and red herring. They are the words spoken by democratic members of congress, not someones interpretation. If you studied history or were paying attention in 1998 you would know that the republicans asked clinton to start a war with iraq in 1998, not just airstrikes. need a link, figured you would Informed Comment: Neocons to Clinton: Launch War on Iraq (1998) (oh wow look its a liberal guy's site)
Have I totally outed you enough...lets see what paragraph 3 brings shall we. Aww shucks you aren't saying anything I haven't already said in this thread. Guess I can't slam you 3/3, since we basically agree on the 3rd paragraph. (well other than my quotes from dems show dems in their own words peddling the yellow cake lie too) Hey wait that means 3/3
Brush up buddy, you need to bring your A game not your C game
Actually those quotes prove NOTHING about the poster since the poster had nothing to do with those quotes. However, Your use of the quotes does show that you are desperate to try and spread the blame to the democrats as you try to cover for bush.
Oh and since you are the one with all of the quotes that you obviously didn't get from some lame right wing talking points website (sarcasm) perhaps you could tell us and provide us with quotes concerning what republicans were saying about all of this back in 1998??
Furthermore, the other poster is right, presenting comments from democrats does nothing to change the fact that bush lied about yellow cake from niger and how in his rush to war, as he kicked out the inspectors, they based the majority of our intel on the comments of one man commonly known as "curve ball."
Do I respond when you lie about me in the very first paragraph or not? Sure I'll respond.
Unlike you I was being honest when I said that both parties, republican and democrat, were pushing forward with the WMD/Iraq scenerio. I never attempted to cover for bush only stated that fact...you had to inject your own opinion into it creating a red herring argument against me in paragraph 1
Lets move on to paragraph 2: Calling my quotes part of a "right wing talking points website" is yet another deflection and red herring. They are the words spoken by democratic members of congress, not someones interpretation. If you studied history or were paying attention in 1998 you would know that the republicans asked clinton to start a war with iraq in 1998, not just airstrikes. need a link, figured you would Informed Comment: Neocons to Clinton: Launch War on Iraq (1998) (oh wow look its a liberal guy's site)
Have I totally outed you enough...lets see what paragraph 3 brings shall we. Aww shucks you aren't saying anything I haven't already said in this thread. Guess I can't slam you 3/3, since we basically agree on the 3rd paragraph. (well other than my quotes from dems show dems in their own words peddling the yellow cake lie too) Hey wait that means 3/3
Brush up buddy, you need to bring your A game not your C game
EDIT:
Do you really want an answer to this? Ok you asked for itdid you see my post quoting him shortly after
And I asked you a simple question concerning those comments and how they were based on what the WH told congress and you avoided that simple question. Imagine that. LOL
The house and senate both have their own seperate access to the intelligence.
Home Page
U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
This fact alone makes your argument a red herring as the senate and house have access to the same intelligence the president made his decision based on.
Link?
Really?? Then why didn't you ask for a link that shows the proof of mccain's statement that he hasn't seen anything like that in twenty years?? Where is the proof of that claim? Or do you apply a different standard to republicans and hold demcrats to a higher standard?
That seems to be that case considering that you seem to take anything a republican says as fact and without question and then you demand links where democrats are concerned.
How about proof be provided to back up mccain's original claim since that is where the disagreement began?
Link to McCain being full of shit, you dumb fuck.
Think you have the monopoly on sarcasm?
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator's time has expired.
Mr. DAYTON. I ask for unanimous consent that I have 30 seconds more to finish my remarks.
Mr. McCAIN. I object.
Actually those quotes prove NOTHING about the poster since the poster had nothing to do with those quotes. However, Your use of the quotes does show that you are desperate to try and spread the blame to the democrats as you try to cover for bush.
Oh and since you are the one with all of the quotes that you obviously didn't get from some lame right wing talking points website (sarcasm) perhaps you could tell us and provide us with quotes concerning what republicans were saying about all of this back in 1998??
Furthermore, the other poster is right, presenting comments from democrats does nothing to change the fact that bush lied about yellow cake from niger and how in his rush to war, as he kicked out the inspectors, they based the majority of our intel on the comments of one man commonly known as "curve ball."
Do I respond when you lie about me in the very first paragraph or not? Sure I'll respond.
Unlike you I was being honest when I said that both parties, republican and democrat, were pushing forward with the WMD/Iraq scenerio. I never attempted to cover for bush only stated that fact...you had to inject your own opinion into it creating a red herring argument against me in paragraph 1
Lets move on to paragraph 2: Calling my quotes part of a "right wing talking points website" is yet another deflection and red herring. They are the words spoken by democratic members of congress, not someones interpretation. If you studied history or were paying attention in 1998 you would know that the republicans asked clinton to start a war with iraq in 1998, not just airstrikes. need a link, figured you would Informed Comment: Neocons to Clinton: Launch War on Iraq (1998) (oh wow look its a liberal guy's site)
Have I totally outed you enough...lets see what paragraph 3 brings shall we. Aww shucks you aren't saying anything I haven't already said in this thread. Guess I can't slam you 3/3, since we basically agree on the 3rd paragraph. (well other than my quotes from dems show dems in their own words peddling the yellow cake lie too) Hey wait that means 3/3
Brush up buddy, you need to bring your A game not your C game
Giving you a rep for punking the dumb fuck.
Do I respond when you lie about me in the very first paragraph or not? Sure I'll respond.
Unlike you I was being honest when I said that both parties, republican and democrat, were pushing forward with the WMD/Iraq scenerio. I never attempted to cover for bush only stated that fact...you had to inject your own opinion into it creating a red herring argument against me in paragraph 1
Lets move on to paragraph 2: Calling my quotes part of a "right wing talking points website" is yet another deflection and red herring. They are the words spoken by democratic members of congress, not someones interpretation. If you studied history or were paying attention in 1998 you would know that the republicans asked clinton to start a war with iraq in 1998, not just airstrikes. need a link, figured you would Informed Comment: Neocons to Clinton: Launch War on Iraq (1998) (oh wow look its a liberal guy's site)
Have I totally outed you enough...lets see what paragraph 3 brings shall we. Aww shucks you aren't saying anything I haven't already said in this thread. Guess I can't slam you 3/3, since we basically agree on the 3rd paragraph. (well other than my quotes from dems show dems in their own words peddling the yellow cake lie too) Hey wait that means 3/3
Brush up buddy, you need to bring your A game not your C game
Giving you a rep for punking the dumb fuck.
I just think it's hilarious that I have a group of stalkers who follow me around the board and only troll into a thread to attack me personally as they offer NOTHING to the debate. LOL
Giving you a rep for punking the dumb fuck.
I just think it's hilarious that I have a group of stalkers who follow me around the board and only troll into a thread to attack me personally as they offer NOTHING to the debate. LOL
First you dumb fuck, your the one who trolled on my post.
Second, nobody would stalk a dumb fuck like yourself.....paranoia?
Third, I don't debate ankle biters. LOL
