Fracking

[ClosedCaption]

If relive have it their way the pros and cons are:

Pro: we could save money
Con: the earth will become more polluted
Pro: well have more money on hand
Con: we may have to spend that money on fixing the problems rather than preventing it. And quality of air, water and earth can or will suffer for it

So a safe bet would be to prevent because the cost to fix COULD be much greater.

 

[Mr. H.]

If relive have it their way the pros and cons are:

Pro: we could save money
Con: the earth will become more polluted
Pro: well have more money on hand
Con: we may have to spend that money on fixing the problems rather than preventing it. And quality of air, water and earth can or will suffer for it

So a safe bet would be to prevent because the cost to fix COULD be much greater.

Who's out there "fixing" agriculture? Air, land, and water pollution are rampant in that industry. I can't stand the hypocricy of continually giving a pass to agriculture while micro-regulating the little shit.

40% of corn acres dedicated to ethanol production - a program that has attained only one of its goals... to boost the price of grains. So much ethanol produced that we export 20% of it - NOT one of its intended goals when the program was shoved down our throats 30 years ago.

Fracturing is a pin-prick on the environment compared to agriculture.

 

[ClosedCaption]

If relive have it their way the pros and cons are:

Pro: we could save money
Con: the earth will become more polluted
Pro: well have more money on hand
Con: we may have to spend that money on fixing the problems rather than preventing it. And quality of air, water and earth can or will suffer for it

So a safe bet would be to prevent because the cost to fix COULD be much greater.

Who's out there "fixing" agriculture? Air, land, and water pollution are rampant in that industry. I can't stand the hypocricy of continually giving a pass to agriculture while micro-regulating the little shit.

40% of corn acres dedicated to ethanol production - a program that has attained only one of its goals... to boost the price of grains. So much ethanol produced that we export 20% of it - NOT one of its intended goals when the program was shoved down our throats 30 years ago.

Fracturing is a pin-prick on the environment compared to agriculture.

Agriculture is a pin-prick compared to our lust for war...But both are still a problem. Just so happen we are talking about Fracking in this thread and not agricluture.

 

[racewright]

If you are so against oil based products --what the fuck are you doing playing on a plastic key board that is powered by oil--living in a house heated by some oil product ===why are you not living in the woods like a mountain man''''' go home with YoKo (loko) and live in Manhattans upscale penthouse thats oil ridden--fly ya jet and ride in ya limo what a bunch of one sided smucks.

The only thing harming the USA in reguard to Fracking is that there are thousands of average americans that could prosper from the harvesting of natural gas that will help here famlies both now and in the future.....But no you fools will have the rest of the world get richer while the USA gets poorer (remember the celeberties who negatively talk about natural gas already have theres).

But if oil does the harm you smucks think then how come it is ok to use it as it does come out of the ground somewhere on earth--oh thats right not in my back yard

 

[depotoo]

Yeah I'm for fracking too just to piss off liberals! Who needs water besides those dam libs! ....wait

yeah, doesn't matter that all the claims of fracking itself has caused the wells to be contaminated have been disproved...

Yeah and it also doesn't matter that I linked to Popular Mechanics that says that fracking has cause water pollution and a company had to pay a settlement for doing just that. It also doesn't matter that your claims that it has been disproved are backed up with nothing.
I guess facts don't matter.

it did not state that fracking itself caused the pollution. It stated that their lack of following regulations caused it. A huge difference of which you wish to not see.
Do you not realize that if the act of fracking itself had caused it they would have shut down all fracking in Pennsylvania, not just issued a fine? Get real here. Even your article states that fracking can be done safely.
Here you go -
In the Bradford County problems that contributed to the million-dollar fines, the department said that improper well casing and cementing allowed natural gas to seep into groundwater and contaminate 16 families' drinking water wells.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=49&articleid=20110518_49_E1_HARRIS80433

 

[Darkwind]

If relive have it their way the pros and cons are:

Pro: we could save money
Con: the earth will become more polluted
Pro: well have more money on hand
Con: we may have to spend that money on fixing the problems rather than preventing it. And quality of air, water and earth can or will suffer for it

So a safe bet would be to prevent because the cost to fix COULD be much greater.

Who's out there "fixing" agriculture? Air, land, and water pollution are rampant in that industry. I can't stand the hypocricy of continually giving a pass to agriculture while micro-regulating the little shit.

40% of corn acres dedicated to ethanol production - a program that has attained only one of its goals... to boost the price of grains. So much ethanol produced that we export 20% of it - NOT one of its intended goals when the program was shoved down our throats 30 years ago.

Fracturing is a pin-prick on the environment compared to agriculture.

Agriculture is a pin-prick compared to our lust for war...But both are still a problem. Just so happen we are talking about Fracking in this thread and not agricluture.

Keep moving those goalposts when you get shot down.

You posted a single article about a single well. There are hundreds if not thousands of wells going in. The water is safe. When you post a 0.0000001% issue, don't be surprised that no one is impressed with your fear mongering.

No process is perfectly safe. To stop every process on the off chance that someones water may get polluted is the very definition of insane. Nothing would ever be created, accomplished, or utilized.

 

[peach174]

Yep!
There are over 500,000 fracking wells.
He puts up one that did not follow the regulations.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Who's out there "fixing" agriculture? Air, land, and water pollution are rampant in that industry. I can't stand the hypocricy of continually giving a pass to agriculture while micro-regulating the little shit.

40% of corn acres dedicated to ethanol production - a program that has attained only one of its goals... to boost the price of grains. So much ethanol produced that we export 20% of it - NOT one of its intended goals when the program was shoved down our throats 30 years ago.

Fracturing is a pin-prick on the environment compared to agriculture.

Agriculture is a pin-prick compared to our lust for war...But both are still a problem. Just so happen we are talking about Fracking in this thread and not agricluture.

Keep moving those goalposts when you get shot down.

You posted a single article about a single well. There are hundreds if not thousands of wells going in. The water is safe. When you post a 0.0000001% issue, don't be surprised that no one is impressed with your fear mongering.

No process is perfectly safe. To stop every process on the off chance that someones water may get polluted is the very definition of insane. Nothing would ever be created, accomplished, or utilized.

Moving the goal posts? I talk about Fracking you started in about Agriculture...

 

[ClosedCaption]

yeah, doesn't matter that all the claims of fracking itself has caused the wells to be contaminated have been disproved...

Yeah and it also doesn't matter that I linked to Popular Mechanics that says that fracking has cause water pollution and a company had to pay a settlement for doing just that. It also doesn't matter that your claims that it has been disproved are backed up with nothing.
I guess facts don't matter.

it did not state that fracking itself caused the pollution. It stated that their lack of following regulations caused it. A huge difference of which you wish to not see.
Do you not realize that if the act of fracking itself had caused it they would have shut down all fracking in Pennsylvania, not just issued a fine? Get real here. Even your article states that fracking can be done safely.
Here you go -
In the Bradford County problems that contributed to the million-dollar fines, the department said that improper well casing and cementing allowed natural gas to seep into groundwater and contaminate 16 families' drinking water wells.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at Chesapeake fined $1 million | Tulsa World

Following Regulations?

In the Bradford County problems that contributed to the million-dollar fines, the department said that improper well casing and cementing allowed natural gas to seep into groundwater and contaminate 16 families' drinking water wells. The department began investigating the complaints last year. In November, it won approval of stronger well-casing and cementing rules that a top DEP official has said would have prevented the gas migration.

Improper well casting not because they didnt follow regs, they just did shoddy work. Oh yeah, here in your own article it says 16 families were affected in this case...moving on

In your own article it says the well were completed improperly not that they didnt follow regulations. Also, they are fighting to get more regulators to inspect (from your article)

In December, the agency announced a settlement with Houston-based Cabot Oil & Gas Corp. to pay $4.1 million to residents in the northern Pennsylvania town of Dimock where private water wells were also contaminated with methane gas. Cabot agreed to pay the state $500,000.

More than one guy, correct? More than one well, correct?

In 2010, it was also one of Pennsylvania's most-penalized Marcellus Shale drillers, with 134 violations and 25 enforcements, state records show.

So it's more than 1 well...But lets be foreal, you dont care how many violations it is...You support it no matter what

 

[Samson]

Yep!
There are over 500,000 fracking wells.
He puts up one that did not follow the regulations.

When was the last time someone hijacked an oil well and killed 3000 Americans?

Perhaps we should Ban Air Travel?

 

[peach174]

What have we got to replace it with that does not cost us up the ying yang to use?

The Technology will be found and in the meantime we use the cheapest that we can get and yes there is going to be some accidents and some pollution but not massive amounts.
Getting people jobs is much more important right now.

Natural Gas is the cleanest we have right now to use.

 

[racewright]

Yeah and it also doesn't matter that I linked to Popular Mechanics that says that fracking has cause water pollution and a company had to pay a settlement for doing just that. It also doesn't matter that your claims that it has been disproved are backed up with nothing.
I guess facts don't matter.

it did not state that fracking itself caused the pollution. It stated that their lack of following regulations caused it. A huge difference of which you wish to not see.
Do you not realize that if the act of fracking itself had caused it they would have shut down all fracking in Pennsylvania, not just issued a fine? Get real here. Even your article states that fracking can be done safely.
Here you go -
In the Bradford County problems that contributed to the million-dollar fines, the department said that improper well casing and cementing allowed natural gas to seep into groundwater and contaminate 16 families' drinking water wells.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at Chesapeake fined $1 million | Tulsa World

Following Regulations?



Improper well casting not because they didnt follow regs, they just did shoddy work. Oh yeah, here in your own article it says 16 families were affected in this case...moving on

In your own article it says the well were completed improperly not that they didnt follow regulations. Also, they are fighting to get more regulators to inspect (from your article)

In December, the agency announced a settlement with Houston-based Cabot Oil & Gas Corp. to pay $4.1 million to residents in the northern Pennsylvania town of Dimock where private water wells were also contaminated with methane gas. Cabot agreed to pay the state $500,000.

More than one guy, correct? More than one well, correct?

In 2010, it was also one of Pennsylvania's most-penalized Marcellus Shale drillers, with 134 violations and 25 enforcements, state records show.

So it's more than 1 well...But lets be foreal, you dont care how many violations it is...You support it no matter what

We better not catch you driving or flying or heating your home with any oil products---Just swim to were you wish to go and make sure you do not use a rubber based wet suit---Moron.

 

[longknife]

Ernest Moniz and Fracking Drive Environmentalists Off of the Rails

By Robert H. Nelson | Posted: Thu. March 28, 2013, 12:54pm PT
Also published in Forbes on Tue.

Many environmentalists are unhappy about President Barack Obama’s nomination of Ernest Moniz, a professor of physics and engineering at MIT, to be Secretary of Energy.

As Director of the MIT Energy Initiative, Moniz assembled an all-star cast of MIT physical and social scientists to produce a June 2011 report that pointed to natural gas as an abundant, low-cost energy source that could sustain much of the world’s energy needs over the next several decades while we transition to wind, solar, tidal, geothermal and other carbon-free energy sources. It would also offer large environmental benefits because gas emits few conventional pollutants, and only about half as much carbon dioxide as the main transitional alternative: continued coal burning.

Implicit in the MIT vision was an understanding that shale gas development, using the technology known as “fracking,” should and will occur on a global scale. While a few groups such as the Environmental Defense Fund have been supportive, this is unacceptable to many others in the environmental movement. So they are striking out to discredit Professor Moniz, his views, and the additional large body of academic research and practical experience proving the efficacy and safety of fracking.

[emphasis added by me]

Read more @ Ernest Moniz and Fracking Drive Environmentalists Off of the Rails: Newsroom: The Independent Institute

 

[ClosedCaption]

Funny things happen when you post facts...ppl run

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Funny things happen when you post facts...ppl run

But enough about you.....

 

[Samson]

What have we got to replace it with that does not cost us up the ying yang to use?

The Technology will be found and in the meantime we use the cheapest that we can get and yes there is going to be some accidents and some pollution but not massive amounts.
Getting people jobs is much more important right now.

Natural Gas is the cleanest we have right now to use.

Actually, the question would be simpler: What do we have to replace fossil fuels, regardless of cost?

Nothing.

But this is what "Peak Oil" seems to be based upon: Fossil fuels will suddenly disappear and human populations will be thrown into some sort of apocolyptical chaos. While this allows for idiotic imaginations to run wild, you need to completely divorce yourself from any rational judgement. This not a high hurdle for many in the anti-natural resources development community.

 

[depotoo]

Yeah and it also doesn't matter that I linked to Popular Mechanics that says that fracking has cause water pollution and a company had to pay a settlement for doing just that. It also doesn't matter that your claims that it has been disproved are backed up with nothing.
I guess facts don't matter.

it did not state that fracking itself caused the pollution. It stated that their lack of following regulations caused it. A huge difference of which you wish to not see.
Do you not realize that if the act of fracking itself had caused it they would have shut down all fracking in Pennsylvania, not just issued a fine? Get real here. Even your article states that fracking can be done safely.
Here you go -
In the Bradford County problems that contributed to the million-dollar fines, the department said that improper well casing and cementing allowed natural gas to seep into groundwater and contaminate 16 families' drinking water wells.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at Chesapeake fined $1 million | Tulsa World

Following Regulations?



Improper well casting not because they didnt follow regs, they just did shoddy work. Oh yeah, here in your own article it says 16 families were affected in this case...moving on

In your own article it says the well were completed improperly not that they didnt follow regulations. Also, they are fighting to get more regulators to inspect (from your article)

In December, the agency announced a settlement with Houston-based Cabot Oil & Gas Corp. to pay $4.1 million to residents in the northern Pennsylvania town of Dimock where private water wells were also contaminated with methane gas. Cabot agreed to pay the state $500,000.

More than one guy, correct? More than one well, correct?

In 2010, it was also one of Pennsylvania's most-penalized Marcellus Shale drillers, with 134 violations and 25 enforcements, state records show.

So it's more than 1 well...But lets be foreal, you dont care how many violations it is...You support it no matter what

Seriously? 16 families vs. your claim of millions?
Seriously? By not completely properly they were not following regulations.
The object of fracking properly itself had nothing to do with the failure.

 

[ClosedCaption]

it did not state that fracking itself caused the pollution. It stated that their lack of following regulations caused it. A huge difference of which you wish to not see.
Do you not realize that if the act of fracking itself had caused it they would have shut down all fracking in Pennsylvania, not just issued a fine? Get real here. Even your article states that fracking can be done safely.
Here you go -
In the Bradford County problems that contributed to the million-dollar fines, the department said that improper well casing and cementing allowed natural gas to seep into groundwater and contaminate 16 families' drinking water wells.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at Chesapeake fined $1 million | Tulsa World

Following Regulations?



Improper well casting not because they didnt follow regs, they just did shoddy work. Oh yeah, here in your own article it says 16 families were affected in this case...moving on

In your own article it says the well were completed improperly not that they didnt follow regulations. Also, they are fighting to get more regulators to inspect (from your article)



More than one guy, correct? More than one well, correct?

In 2010, it was also one of Pennsylvania's most-penalized Marcellus Shale drillers, with 134 violations and 25 enforcements, state records show.

So it's more than 1 well...But lets be foreal, you dont care how many violations it is...You support it no matter what

Seriously? 16 families vs. your claim of millions?
Seriously? By not completely properly they were not following regulations.
The object of fracking properly itself had nothing to do with the failure.

Whoa whoa there, that was the OP that claimed Millions.
The number doesnt matter...First it was "one family" and everyone said big whoop
It was one spill - Big deal
More than one spill - Still small, get over it
More than one family - Who cares
Your family - Wait a damn minute! Something needs to be done!
Spilled on your land - HEY!! THIS IS A PROBLEM GOTTDAMMIT!

The number doesnt matter, even if it was millions as long as you arent one of the millions its not a big deal...Water travels tho.

Second point, no need to argue lets call them regulations...we can call it apple pie but thats not the point that we disagree on.

 

[depotoo]

Following Regulations?



Improper well casting not because they didnt follow regs, they just did shoddy work. Oh yeah, here in your own article it says 16 families were affected in this case...moving on

In your own article it says the well were completed improperly not that they didnt follow regulations. Also, they are fighting to get more regulators to inspect (from your article)



More than one guy, correct? More than one well, correct?



So it's more than 1 well...But lets be foreal, you dont care how many violations it is...You support it no matter what

Seriously? 16 families vs. your claim of millions?
Seriously? By not completely properly they were not following regulations.
The object of fracking properly itself had nothing to do with the failure.

Whoa whoa there, that was the OP that claimed Millions.
The number doesnt matter...First it was "one family" and everyone said big whoop
It was one spill - Big deal
More than one spill - Still small, get over it
More than one family - Who cares
Your family - Wait a damn minute! Something needs to be done!
Spilled on your land - HEY!! THIS IS A PROBLEM GOTTDAMMIT!

The number doesnt matter, even if it was millions as long as you arent one of the millions its not a big deal...Water travels tho.

Second point, no need to argue lets call them regulations...we can call it apple pie but thats not the point that we disagree on.

So ,according to your logic, if a specific beef packing company has a lot (not alot) of tainted beef due to their not following regulations properly that is sold and that company must pull their beef the others should as well as you never know when they may have tainted beef because they might not follow all regulations either. Makes no sense at all.

 

[chikenwing]

Cabot did NOT contaminate any wells in Dimick Pa,they did pay for testing and for bottled water and what some would call extortion ,but at the end of the day,all investigations resulted in NO contamination from drilling,the gas and other stuff was already there. I work with people that live there what really was going was some people just wanted more money,and this is how they went about it.

Propaganda and out right lies are rampant from the no drill crowd.