Former Green Beret charged with murder of Taliban bomb maker.....

[Godboy]

Don’t frickin send people overseas to war and not expect them to kill the enemy! Obama is stupid!

It wasn't because of Obama that charges are being brought against him. He was interviewed a while back on FOX news, and he admitted that she shot the bomb maker. Off of the information in that interview, the Army decided they had enough to press charges on him.

Only thing is, now Trump has said he's gonna personally review the case, which leaves the very real possibility of a pardon, even if the Army charges him.

Because at the time he was serving under Obama’s rules of engagement!

It has nothing to do with ROE, the man was a prisoner at the time he was killed. We do not kill defenseless prisoners.

We should sometimes.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

How was the man killed?

After he was released Golsteyn tracked him down and shot him. Thank goodness before he got to harm any of our Afghan assistants.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

And the idiot Trump once again exhibits his ignorance and stupidity:

“Trump’s statement alone could complicate the military’s prosecution of Golsteyn. The president, as commander in chief, is expected in the military justice system to not make statements that could influence open cases. Doing so is considered unlawful command influence and can result in cases being thrown out.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2018/12/16/trump-says-hell-review-case-matt-golsteyn-special-forces-veteran-who-faces-murder-charge/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a1cafcb13dac

 

[ABikerSailor]

Don’t frickin send people overseas to war and not expect them to kill the enemy! Obama is stupid!

It wasn't because of Obama that charges are being brought against him. He was interviewed a while back on FOX news, and he admitted that she shot the bomb maker. Off of the information in that interview, the Army decided they had enough to press charges on him.

Only thing is, now Trump has said he's gonna personally review the case, which leaves the very real possibility of a pardon, even if the Army charges him.

Because at the time he was serving under Obama’s rules of engagement!

The soldier shot and killed someone who had already been taken into custody. No, it's not Obama's ROE that says it's illegal to kill prisoners without a trial, it's the Geneva Conventions.

When the Taliban, AQ, etc starts following ROE we will

I still remember the Jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage....that is only one example

It's not the ROE that was violated, it was the Geneva Conventions which makes it illegal to mistreat prisoners.

Rules of engagement are determined by our military leaders as to when and how we engage the enemy. The Geneva Conventions is a treaty signed by most nations as to how war is to be waged. They actually came about because of the atrocities that happened in WWII like Dresden.

And, because the Taliban doesn't really have a country, they aren't bound by the conventions.

 

[ABikerSailor]

i make no point about having any moral authority . Did the USA have Moral Authority when we firebombed ' dresden' or nuked 'nagasaki and hiroshima' and that was 80 years ago IBD ??

It was because of horrific things like what you just mentioned that the countries got together and decided to create the Geneva Convention treaty.

And, over the years, as more wars are fought, and newer, crueler ways of treating combatants, they are updated quite often.

 

[WillowTree]

Don’t frickin send people overseas to war and not expect them to kill the enemy! Obama is stupid!

It wasn't because of Obama that charges are being brought against him. He was interviewed a while back on FOX news, and he admitted that she shot the bomb maker. Off of the information in that interview, the Army decided they had enough to press charges on him.

Only thing is, now Trump has said he's gonna personally review the case, which leaves the very real possibility of a pardon, even if the Army charges him.

Because at the time he was serving under Obama’s rules of engagement!

The soldier shot and killed someone who had already been taken into custody. No, it's not Obama's ROE that says it's illegal to kill prisoners without a trial, it's the Geneva Conventions.

When the Taliban, AQ, etc starts following ROE we will

I still remember the Jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage....that is only one example

It's not the ROE that was violated, it was the Geneva Conventions which makes it illegal to mistreat prisoners.

Rules of engagement are determined by our military leaders as to when and how we engage the enemy. The Geneva Conventions is a treaty signed by most nations as to how war is to be waged. They actually came about because of the atrocities that happened in WWII like Dresden.

So how did John McCain fare?

 

[WillowTree]

How about the Bataan Death March? How did Americans fare?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Don’t frickin send people overseas to war and not expect them to kill the enemy! Obama is stupid!

It wasn't because of Obama that charges are being brought against him. He was interviewed a while back on FOX news, and he admitted that she shot the bomb maker. Off of the information in that interview, the Army decided they had enough to press charges on him.

Only thing is, now Trump has said he's gonna personally review the case, which leaves the very real possibility of a pardon, even if the Army charges him.

Because at the time he was serving under Obama’s rules of engagement!

The soldier shot and killed someone who had already been taken into custody. No, it's not Obama's ROE that says it's illegal to kill prisoners without a trial, it's the Geneva Conventions.

When the Taliban, AQ, etc starts following ROE we will

I still remember the Jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage....that is only one example

It's not the ROE that was violated, it was the Geneva Conventions which makes it illegal to mistreat prisoners.

Rules of engagement are determined by our military leaders as to when and how we engage the enemy. The Geneva Conventions is a treaty signed by most nations as to how war is to be waged. They actually came about because of the atrocities that happened in WWII like Dresden.

And, because the Taliban doesn't really have a country, they aren't bound by the conventions.

Is it difficult for you to internalize the understanding that the bomb maker was not a prisoner nor was he in custody? In accordance with shitstain obama's rules he had been released.

 

[ABikerSailor]

How about the Bataan Death March? How did Americans fare?

You're right. Americans and Filipinos were gravely mistreated, and many of them died. BUT..................because of the Geneva Conventions, those who were responsible for it were charged with war crimes and executed.

Bataan Death March - Wikipedia

War crimes trial

Portion of Bataan disinterment map highlighting the site of the 1942 Pantingan Massacre
In September 1945, General Masaharu Homma was arrested by Allied troops and indicted for war crimes.[36] Homma was charged with 43 different counts of crimes against humanity.[37] Homma was found guilty of permitting members of his command to commit "brutal atrocities and other high crimes".[38] The general, who had been absorbed in his efforts to capture Corregidor after the fall of Bataan, claimed in his defense that he remained ignorant of the high death toll of the death march until two months after the event.[39] Homma's verdict was predicated on respondeat superior but with the added liability standard, since the latter could not be rebutted.[40] On February 26, 1946, he was sentenced to death by firing squad, and was executed on April 3, 1946, outside Manila.[36]

Masanobu Tsuji, who directly ordered the killing of POWs, fled to China from Thailand when the war ended to escape the British authorities.[41]

Also in Japan, Generals Hideki Tōjō (later Prime Minister), Kenji Doihara, Seishirō Itagaki, Heitarō Kimura, Iwane Matsui, and Akira Mutō, along with Baron Kōki Hirota, were found guilty and responsible for the maltreatment of American and Filipino POWs. They were executed by hanging at Sugamo Prison in Ikebukuro on December 23, 1948. Several others were sentenced to imprisonment between 7 and 22 years.[citation needed]

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Don’t frickin send people overseas to war and not expect them to kill the enemy! Obama is stupid!

It wasn't because of Obama that charges are being brought against him. He was interviewed a while back on FOX news, and he admitted that she shot the bomb maker. Off of the information in that interview, the Army decided they had enough to press charges on him.

Only thing is, now Trump has said he's gonna personally review the case, which leaves the very real possibility of a pardon, even if the Army charges him.

Because at the time he was serving under Obama’s rules of engagement!

The soldier shot and killed someone who had already been taken into custody. No, it's not Obama's ROE that says it's illegal to kill prisoners without a trial, it's the Geneva Conventions.

When the Taliban, AQ, etc starts following ROE we will

I still remember the Jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage....that is only one example

It's not the ROE that was violated, it was the Geneva Conventions which makes it illegal to mistreat prisoners.

Rules of engagement are determined by our military leaders as to when and how we engage the enemy. The Geneva Conventions is a treaty signed by most nations as to how war is to be waged. They actually came about because of the atrocities that happened in WWII like Dresden.

And, because the Taliban doesn't really have a country, they aren't bound by the conventions.

The Taliban doesn't belong to the Geneva Convention...Only morons dont know that.

 

[ABikerSailor]

It wasn't because of Obama that charges are being brought against him. He was interviewed a while back on FOX news, and he admitted that she shot the bomb maker. Off of the information in that interview, the Army decided they had enough to press charges on him.

Only thing is, now Trump has said he's gonna personally review the case, which leaves the very real possibility of a pardon, even if the Army charges him.

Because at the time he was serving under Obama’s rules of engagement!

The soldier shot and killed someone who had already been taken into custody. No, it's not Obama's ROE that says it's illegal to kill prisoners without a trial, it's the Geneva Conventions.

When the Taliban, AQ, etc starts following ROE we will

I still remember the Jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage....that is only one example

It's not the ROE that was violated, it was the Geneva Conventions which makes it illegal to mistreat prisoners.

Rules of engagement are determined by our military leaders as to when and how we engage the enemy. The Geneva Conventions is a treaty signed by most nations as to how war is to be waged. They actually came about because of the atrocities that happened in WWII like Dresden.

And, because the Taliban doesn't really have a country, they aren't bound by the conventions.

The Taliban doesn't belong to the Geneva Convention...Only morons dont know that.

That is what I keep trying to explain to these people who never served. Only nations who signed into them (and the US is one), are bound by them. Because the Taliban is a loose coalition of a wanna be military, and a lot of their fighters come from countries OTHER than Iraq, they aren't bound by them.

And...................saying that because the Taliban doesn't comply with them, so we shouldn't either is another thing that is beyond stupid.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Because at the time he was serving under Obama’s rules of engagement!

The soldier shot and killed someone who had already been taken into custody. No, it's not Obama's ROE that says it's illegal to kill prisoners without a trial, it's the Geneva Conventions.

When the Taliban, AQ, etc starts following ROE we will

I still remember the Jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage....that is only one example

It's not the ROE that was violated, it was the Geneva Conventions which makes it illegal to mistreat prisoners.

Rules of engagement are determined by our military leaders as to when and how we engage the enemy. The Geneva Conventions is a treaty signed by most nations as to how war is to be waged. They actually came about because of the atrocities that happened in WWII like Dresden.

And, because the Taliban doesn't really have a country, they aren't bound by the conventions.

The Taliban doesn't belong to the Geneva Convention...Only morons dont know that.

That is what I keep trying to explain to these people who never served. Only nations who signed into them (and the US is one), are bound by them. Because the Taliban is a loose coalition of a wanna be military, and a lot of their fighters come from countries OTHER than Iraq, they aren't bound by them.

And...................saying that because the Taliban doesn't comply with them, so we shouldn't either is another thing that is beyond stupid.

And since the Taliban isn't part of it we shouldn't be bound by it in fighting them.

By the way the Geneva Conference is taught in HS, one doesn't have to have served to know what it is

 

[ABikerSailor]

The soldier shot and killed someone who had already been taken into custody. No, it's not Obama's ROE that says it's illegal to kill prisoners without a trial, it's the Geneva Conventions.

When the Taliban, AQ, etc starts following ROE we will

I still remember the Jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage....that is only one example

It's not the ROE that was violated, it was the Geneva Conventions which makes it illegal to mistreat prisoners.

Rules of engagement are determined by our military leaders as to when and how we engage the enemy. The Geneva Conventions is a treaty signed by most nations as to how war is to be waged. They actually came about because of the atrocities that happened in WWII like Dresden.

And, because the Taliban doesn't really have a country, they aren't bound by the conventions.

The Taliban doesn't belong to the Geneva Convention...Only morons dont know that.

That is what I keep trying to explain to these people who never served. Only nations who signed into them (and the US is one), are bound by them. Because the Taliban is a loose coalition of a wanna be military, and a lot of their fighters come from countries OTHER than Iraq, they aren't bound by them.

And...................saying that because the Taliban doesn't comply with them, so we shouldn't either is another thing that is beyond stupid.

And since the Taliban isn't part of it we shouldn't be bound by it in fighting them.

By the way the Geneva Conference is taught in HS, one doesn't have to have served to know what it is

You know, there were times in Navy Rights and Responsibilities class that someone would bring that point up. And, the response from the trainer was that we follow the rules, even if others don't, because we are a nation of laws, and our fighting force is better than savages that commit war crimes. We don't lower ourselves to their level. One of the reasons is that if we did, it would have a detrimental effect on discipline and morale.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

When the Taliban, AQ, etc starts following ROE we will

I still remember the Jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage....that is only one example

It's not the ROE that was violated, it was the Geneva Conventions which makes it illegal to mistreat prisoners.

Rules of engagement are determined by our military leaders as to when and how we engage the enemy. The Geneva Conventions is a treaty signed by most nations as to how war is to be waged. They actually came about because of the atrocities that happened in WWII like Dresden.

And, because the Taliban doesn't really have a country, they aren't bound by the conventions.

The Taliban doesn't belong to the Geneva Convention...Only morons dont know that.

That is what I keep trying to explain to these people who never served. Only nations who signed into them (and the US is one), are bound by them. Because the Taliban is a loose coalition of a wanna be military, and a lot of their fighters come from countries OTHER than Iraq, they aren't bound by them.

And...................saying that because the Taliban doesn't comply with them, so we shouldn't either is another thing that is beyond stupid.

And since the Taliban isn't part of it we shouldn't be bound by it in fighting them.

By the way the Geneva Conference is taught in HS, one doesn't have to have served to know what it is

You know, there were times in Navy Rights and Responsibilities class that someone would bring that point up. And, the response from the trainer was that we follow the rules, even if others don't, because we are a nation of laws, and our fighting force is better than savages that commit war crimes. We don't lower ourselves to their level. One of the reasons is that if we did, it would have a detrimental effect on discipline and morale.

Fuck that...kill'em anyway we can

 

[ABikerSailor]

It's not the ROE that was violated, it was the Geneva Conventions which makes it illegal to mistreat prisoners.

Rules of engagement are determined by our military leaders as to when and how we engage the enemy. The Geneva Conventions is a treaty signed by most nations as to how war is to be waged. They actually came about because of the atrocities that happened in WWII like Dresden.

And, because the Taliban doesn't really have a country, they aren't bound by the conventions.

The Taliban doesn't belong to the Geneva Convention...Only morons dont know that.

That is what I keep trying to explain to these people who never served. Only nations who signed into them (and the US is one), are bound by them. Because the Taliban is a loose coalition of a wanna be military, and a lot of their fighters come from countries OTHER than Iraq, they aren't bound by them.

And...................saying that because the Taliban doesn't comply with them, so we shouldn't either is another thing that is beyond stupid.

And since the Taliban isn't part of it we shouldn't be bound by it in fighting them.

By the way the Geneva Conference is taught in HS, one doesn't have to have served to know what it is

You know, there were times in Navy Rights and Responsibilities class that someone would bring that point up. And, the response from the trainer was that we follow the rules, even if others don't, because we are a nation of laws, and our fighting force is better than savages that commit war crimes. We don't lower ourselves to their level. One of the reasons is that if we did, it would have a detrimental effect on discipline and morale.

Fuck that...kill'em anyway we can

Your response illustrates perfectly why I don't think you understand the Geneva Conventions and why the U.S. Military follows them.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The Taliban doesn't belong to the Geneva Convention...Only morons dont know that.

That is what I keep trying to explain to these people who never served. Only nations who signed into them (and the US is one), are bound by them. Because the Taliban is a loose coalition of a wanna be military, and a lot of their fighters come from countries OTHER than Iraq, they aren't bound by them.

And...................saying that because the Taliban doesn't comply with them, so we shouldn't either is another thing that is beyond stupid.

And since the Taliban isn't part of it we shouldn't be bound by it in fighting them.

By the way the Geneva Conference is taught in HS, one doesn't have to have served to know what it is

You know, there were times in Navy Rights and Responsibilities class that someone would bring that point up. And, the response from the trainer was that we follow the rules, even if others don't, because we are a nation of laws, and our fighting force is better than savages that commit war crimes. We don't lower ourselves to their level. One of the reasons is that if we did, it would have a detrimental effect on discipline and morale.

Fuck that...kill'em anyway we can

Your response illustrates perfectly why I don't think you understand the Geneva Conventions and why the U.S. Military follows them.

Your response illustrates you don't have the first clue how I feel about goat herding savages killing American troops and will do so by any means they can.

I know what the Geneva Conference is ya daffy dope..I just don't agree in sending our finest into a war with one hand tied behind their back.

 

[pismoe]

i make no point about having any moral authority . Did the USA have Moral Authority when we firebombed ' dresden' or nuked 'nagasaki and hiroshima' and that was 80 years ago IBD ??

It was because of horrific things like what you just mentioned that the countries got together and decided to create the Geneva Convention treaty.

And, over the years, as more wars are fought, and newer, crueler ways of treating combatants, they are updated quite often.

------------------------------ Wussy 'euro peon' and their convention should be ignored same as TRUMP ignores 'international Law ' and ' frenchy global warming conventions' . The 'conventions' only limit the USA as it fights war like a 'pussy' BSailor .

 

[pismoe]

USA military is just infected or is being infected with wussy peace soldiers . For proof of that see 'BSailors' words . And this idea of 'serbice' , he nor anyone else on the board knows who 'serbed' as he assumes that he knows who 'serbed' .

 

[eagle1462010]

The guy killed Marines...........he was the enemy............and was killed.........Have no problem with it...........

You go to War your purpose is to Kill the enemy or break them.................If you are not prepared to do that then don't go to War...............Rules............they don't play by them............and we are stupid to do so...........

Time to get the hell out of that cursed region of the earth and let them kill each other...........I really don't care what happens in the middle east anymore at this point.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Because at the time he was serving under Obama’s rules of engagement!

The soldier shot and killed someone who had already been taken into custody. No, it's not Obama's ROE that says it's illegal to kill prisoners without a trial, it's the Geneva Conventions.

When the Taliban, AQ, etc starts following ROE we will

I still remember the Jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage....that is only one example

It's not the ROE that was violated, it was the Geneva Conventions which makes it illegal to mistreat prisoners.

Rules of engagement are determined by our military leaders as to when and how we engage the enemy. The Geneva Conventions is a treaty signed by most nations as to how war is to be waged. They actually came about because of the atrocities that happened in WWII like Dresden.

And, because the Taliban doesn't really have a country, they aren't bound by the conventions.

The Taliban doesn't belong to the Geneva Convention...Only morons dont know that.

That is what I keep trying to explain to these people who never served. Only nations who signed into them (and the US is one), are bound by them. Because the Taliban is a loose coalition of a wanna be military, and a lot of their fighters come from countries OTHER than Iraq, they aren't bound by them.

And...................saying that because the Taliban doesn't comply with them, so we shouldn't either is another thing that is beyond stupid.

So while they cut off the heads of our male soldiers and rape the female ones, we are supposed to give them 3 meals a day, a soccer field and time to read the Koran? We have been doing that nice guy thing since Establishment Bush 43 and the Muslims still hate US. No thanks, I believe in the eye for an eye, we treat them like the rabid dogs that they are. Drop them from 30,000 feet without a parachute or burn them in napalm...