Zone1 For the Love of God...

[BreezeWood]

99% of Catholic dogma doesn't come from The Bible it comes from the church itself making things up whenever it is convenient to do so

Perhaps you could give a specific example of this?

the desert sacraments ...

Church, through which Divine life is given. Baptism, Confirmation, Eucharist, Reconciliation, Anointing of the Sick, Matrimony, and Holy Orders.

having nothing to do with the events of the 1st century, liberation theology, self determination - and everything to do with the selfserving crucifiers.

 

[onefour1]

Obedient intelligence with or without self-perception and/or self-awareness? Is this intelligence able to say "no" to the will of god or do you think it is also an expression of the will of god on its own?

I wonder if the fig tree was disobedient to laws it was given.

Matthew 21:19-21
19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

Or maybe it was obedient and was done to show forth the miracle to Jesus' disciples.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

 

[surada]

the desert sacraments ...



having nothing to do with the events of the 1st century, liberation theology, self determination - and everything to do with the selfserving crucifiers.

The Sermon on the Mount is all about liberation theology. The Jews were oppressed by Roman occupation and Roman laws.

 

[BS Filter]

You don't know what Jesus taught.

 

[surada]

You don't know what Jesus taught.

Jesus didn't teach white supremacy or conspiracy theories.

 

[Meriweather]

...people are leaving because all too often the Church has become a safer place for conspiracy theories, white supremacy, homophobia, and patriarchy that it is for the radical and subversive teachings of Jesus.

Hogwash. There is no "white supremacy", "homophobia" and "patriarchy". Sticks and stones in the minds of the feeble and unaware--a bunch of Nervous Nellies. Those behind the "Woke" are laughing with scorn at all those actually swallow the above, arrogant and conceited at how easy it is to manipulate and control the great unwashed. How stupid they think we are, and it is time to call them out on this crap and gibberish.

People may be leaving Church for the very reason educating people about the Bible, their religions, their faiths, is not being taught in schools. People of faith are muzzled and this part of who they are is concealed in schools. Religious services, while rich in symbolism and worship, do not so much teach as simply present Biblical accounts. They expect people to know and understand the basics...and most no longer do. They forego Church because they are not getting what they need by going.

 

[surada]

Hogwash. There is no "white supremacy", "homophobia" and "patriarchy". Sticks and stones in the minds of the feeble and unaware--a bunch of Nervous Nellies. Those behind the "Woke" are laughing with scorn at all those actually swallow the above, arrogant and conceited at how easy it is to manipulate and control the great unwashed. How stupid they think we are, and it is time to call them out on this crap and gibberish.

People may be leaving Church for the very reason educating people about the Bible, their religions, their faiths, is not being taught in schools. People of faith are muzzled and this part of who they are is concealed in schools. Religious services, while rich in symbolism and worship, do not so much teach as simply present Biblical accounts. They expect people to know and understand the basics...and most no longer do. They forego Church because they are not getting what they need by going.

People should take their children to Sunday school and Bible study... But maybe their clerics are uneducated. I wouldn't take time from public schools.

 

[Meriweather]

The Sermon on the Mount is all about liberation theology. The Jews were oppressed by Roman occupation and Roman laws.

The Sermon on the Mount has nothing to do with "Liberation Theology", i.e. liberation from social, political, and economic oppression, any more than it has to do with liberation from climate change, traffic jams, and TV advertisements.

Jesus pointed out that each individual and his/her relationship with God and their immediate community of the family, neighbors, and colleagues that were part of their daily lives should be our focus. Oppression, like the poor, would always be with us, but we are much more than a people being jostled by authorities and circumstances. Jesus awakens us to our own power, our uniqueness, and how--like yeast--how we live our personal lives can make a difference to our own lives and in the lives of the people closest to us.

 

[Meriweather]

People should take their children to Sunday school and Bible study... But maybe their clerics are uneducated. I wouldn't take time from public schools.

Would you recommend that people send their children to math class (or English, history, science, etc.) for an hour a week? Most would say no, because it takes more than an hour a week to learn much about anything.

 

[surada]

The Sermon on the Mount has nothing to do with "Liberation Theology", i.e. liberation from social, political, and economic oppression, any more than it has to do with liberation from climate change, traffic jams, and TV advertisements.

Jesus pointed out that each individual and his/her relationship with God and their immediate community of the family, neighbors, and colleagues that were part of their daily lives should be our focus. Oppression, like the poor, would always be with us, but we are much more than a people being jostled by authorities and circumstances. Jesus awakens us to our own power, our uniqueness, and how--like yeast--how we live our personal lives can make a difference to our own lives and in the lives of the people closest to us.

The Episcopalian Church in Palestine teaches that the Sermon on the Mount is passive resistance to Roman oppression and Roman laws. That's why it was studied by MLK and Gandhi. The message is shame your oppressor.

 

[surada]

Would you recommend that people send their children to math class (or English, history, science, etc.) for an hour a week? Most would say no, because it takes more than an hour a week to learn much about anything.

Which religion would you teach in public schools ? How many hours a day?

 

[Meriweather]

The Episcopalian Church in Palestine teaches that the Sermon on the Mount is passive resistance to Roman oppression and Roman laws. That's why it was studied by MLK and Gandhi. The message is shame your oppressor.

Then they missed the point. Seriously, does any government care about the blessings any individual brings to the personal lives of their families, neighbors, and businesses?

More likely, "Liberation Theology" was a cause that their founders decided would work even better if they could "show" Jesus its founder. They could tell people what Jesus "really meant" by the Beatitudes, and voila! Jesus approves of their Liberation Theology movement. Jesus' focus was ever on God--not on the current political situation.

Abraham Lincoln said it best when asked if God was on the side of the Union. He said it was best if the Union was on the side of God.

 

[Meriweather]

Which religion would you teach in public schools ? How many hours a day?

All of them, for the usual time any class runs.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Hogwash. There is no "white supremacy", "homophobia" and "patriarchy". Sticks and stones in the minds of the feeble and unaware--a bunch of Nervous Nellies. Those behind the "Woke" are laughing with scorn at all those actually swallow the above, arrogant and conceited at how easy it is to manipulate and control the great unwashed. How stupid they think we are, and it is time to call them out on this crap and gibberish.

People may be leaving Church for the very reason educating people about the Bible, their religions, their faiths, is not being taught in schools. People of faith are muzzled and this part of who they are is concealed in schools. Religious services, while rich in symbolism and worship, do not so much teach as simply present Biblical accounts. They expect people to know and understand the basics...and most no longer do. They forego Church because they are not getting what they need by going.

Deny all you want, Meriweather, but Jesus and all the angels know that modern Christianity, particularly evangelicalism and Pentecostalism and fundamentalism and Roman Catholicism have failed to serve God and his peoples. Yes, 'white supremacy', 'homophobia' and 'patriarchy' suppress the peoples of God, particularly in America.

 

[surada]

Then they missed the point. Seriously, does any government care about the blessings any individual brings to the personal lives of their families, neighbors, and businesses?

More likely, "Liberation Theology" was a cause that their founders decided would work even better if they could "show" Jesus its founder. They could tell people what Jesus "really meant" by the Beatitudes, and voila! Jesus approves of their Liberation Theology movement. Jesus' focus was ever on God--not on the current political situation.

Abraham Lincoln said it best when asked if God was on the side of the Union. He said it was best if the Union was on the side of God.

When Jesus says, turn the other cheek or carry the soldier's pack two miles that's a specific reference to Roman law.

 

[BreezeWood]

Hogwash. There is no "white supremacy", "homophobia" and "patriarchy". Sticks and stones in the minds of the feeble and unaware--a bunch of Nervous Nellies. Those behind the "Woke" are laughing with scorn at all those actually swallow the above, arrogant and conceited at how easy it is to manipulate and control the great unwashed. How stupid they think we are, and it is time to call them out on this crap and gibberish.

People may be leaving Church for the very reason educating people about the Bible, their religions, their faiths, is not being taught in schools. People of faith are muzzled and this part of who they are is concealed in schools. Religious services, while rich in symbolism and worship, do not so much teach as simply present Biblical accounts. They expect people to know and understand the basics...and most no longer do. They forego Church because they are not getting what they need by going.

the 4th century c-bible is written by the crucifiers ...

in particular their self serving sacraments jesus and those in the 1st century who gave their lives for liberation theology would have nothing to do with - the persecution and victimization of the innocent by christians from that time to the present day.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus awakens us to our own power, our uniqueness, and how--like yeast--how we live our personal lives can make a difference to our own lives and in the lives of the people closest to us.

the desert trinity ...

And God said, Let us make man life in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

what was not written by the crucifiers, moses the liar. from the heavens - why jesus was crucified.

And God said, Let us make life in our image, after our likeness: the fish of the sea, the fowl of the air, and the cattle, and earth, and creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

teach the truth meriweather if you are going to teach to children.

- and creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth - humanity.

 

[Meriweather]

When Jesus says, turn the other cheek or carry the soldier's pack two miles that's a specific reference to Roman law.

"Turn the other cheek" was in response to Hebrew custom. Carry the pack the extra mile was in reference to, Do more than what is expected of you. Yes, Romans could expect/order anyone to carry their pack for a mile, but no more.

 

[Meriweather]

Deny all you want, Meriweather, but Jesus and all the angels know that modern Christianity, particularly evangelicalism and Pentecostalism and fundamentalism and Roman Catholicism have failed to serve God and his peoples.

Give two or three specific examples, please.

Yes, 'white supremacy', 'homophobia' and 'patriarchy' suppress the peoples of God, particularly in America.

This is a means of weakening or even destroying a country. Tell women the men are suppressing them. Tell Blacks Whites are suppressing them; tell Hispanics blacks are suppressing them; tell the Whites Asians are suppressing them. And on and on. Then peer into people's bedrooms and assure homosexuals that heterosexuals do not like them, and assure transgenders, homosexuals don't support them.

The majority of Americans who hate no one need to call out no one hates anyone. This is more true than the other, although someone can always come up with the proverbial exception.