Fonda Calls Nam Photo 'An Unforgivable Mistake'

[Rigby5]

You're right, but so am I.

'Forgive my trespasses as I forgive those that trespass against me'
She still hasn't trespassed against me.
It's not up to me to forgive her

But who could Fonda have trespassed against?
Not anyone in the US, because we had no standing.
We should not have even been there at all, in any way.
It was not our country or should we have had any say in it at all.

I truly believe that if free and fair elections had been allowed and not prevented by a US takeover, then Ho Chi Minh would have won over 85% of the vote.

 

[Flash]

Jane is good with the Lord, kg, so I am sure she is not concerned with your worries for her.

Read upon on her conversion to conservative Christianity; Ted divorced her for it.

Still, I have a hard time forgiving her, which is on me.

If was really sorry she would have done a lot more repentance than that little forgiven statement now.

We all did things we were ashamed of in our youth. Especially the Hippy scum. However, her apology was not sincere. It was more like "don't hate me".

Piss on her. She gave significant aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war. She is a traitor to her country and to all the men that fought that war. Too little too late.

 

[Rigby5]

I can agree with that. Nor is it our right to condemn her, but half the time I still do until I catch myself up.

She generated untold bitterness among her fellow Americans.

Not from the people I have had contact with.
All those I contact are grateful to Fonda.
She brought all those forced over to Vietnam, back home.
She harmed no one and instead stopped all the needless harm the Pentagon was doing, in the wrong.
We could never have won, so it was always just a matter or time, and Fonda helped speed it up a bit.

 

[surada]

If was really sorry she would have done a lot more repentance than that little forgiven statement now.

We all did things we were ashamed of in our youth. Especially the Hippy scum. However, her apology was not sincere. It was more like "don't hate me".

Piss on her. She gave significant aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war. She is a traitor to her country and to all the men that fought that war. Too little too late.

How old were you during the VN war? It was US politicians killing and maiming American sons.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes, that it the main point.
Some people in the US profit from wars, so keep trying to sell us on new illegal wars, so they can sell more high priced weapons.
There was no legal reason for the Spanish American War, the Philippine Rebellion, WWI, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Nicaragua, Iraq, Panama, Afghanistan, Syria, etc.
War is the constant reoccurring zombie that we try to kill off but keeps coming back.

 

[Rigby5]

Fonda was a pampered actress who was surrounded by like minded zealots. The media loved her and she thought she was the queen but she forgot that ordinary Americans are often smarter and better informed than the mainstream media. She may have been shocked when her career declined after Hanoi.

Except anyone who ever read anything on Vietnam had to know Fonda was right.
Even Eisenhower admitted that if free and fair elections had been allowed, that Ho Chi Minh would have easily won.

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It was generally conceded that had an election been held, Ho Chi Minh would have been elected Premier.
...}
Source: Dwight D. Eisenhower, Mandate for Change, 1953-1956 ( Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Co, Inc, 1963), pp. 337-38

President Dwight D. Eisenhower on the likelihood that Ho Chi Minh would win a national election in Vietnam in 1955

While I would agree that Fonda threw away her career by showing us that the war in Vietnam was wrong, she had the moral obligation to do what she did, because it was the right thing to do.
The US war in Vietnam was based on a very foolish Domino Theory that put the US into a role of evil colonial imperialist.

 

[Rigby5]

If was really sorry she would have done a lot more repentance than that little forgiven statement now.

We all did things we were ashamed of in our youth. Especially the Hippy scum. However, her apology was not sincere. It was more like "don't hate me".

Piss on her. She gave significant aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war. She is a traitor to her country and to all the men that fought that war. Too little too late.

I disagree.
It was ONLY the Pentagon who wanted that war.
It was the Pentagon who were the traitors.
Once we realized how popular Ho Chi Minh was, the rest of the whole US was against the war.
The war was evil because we were fighting against the democratic will of the people of Vietnam.
We had no enemy in Vietnam, but just in the US, in the Pentagon.

 

[Flash]

How old were you during the VN war? It was US politicians killing and maiming American sons.

I am a Vietnam Veteran and I sure as hell know about it. I was over there from November of 1967 to March of 1970. A lot more than you do. I suspect the only thing you know about the war is what you saw in a movie or read on some stupid antiwar rally placard.

Regardless of how the soldiers got there the filthy ass bitch was giving aid and comfort to the enemy and that is despicable.

You not understanding why it was despicable speaks volumes of your ignorance and immorality.

Typical for a stupid uneducated Moon Bat.

 

[surada]

I am a Vietnam Veteran and I sure as hell know about it. I was over there from November of 1967 to March of 1970. A lot more than you do. I suspect the only thing you know about the war is what you saw in a movie or read on some stupid antiwar rally placard.

Regardless of how the soldiers got there the filthy ass bitch was giving aid and comfort to the enemy and that is despicable.

You not understanding why it was despicable speaks volumes of your ignorance and immorality.

Typical for a stupid uneducated Moon Bat.

How many of your friends died? What did you accomplish when you left the Socialist Republic of Vietnam?

 

[Rigby5]

I am a Vietnam Veteran and I sure as hell know about it. I was over there from November of 1967 to March of 1970. A lot more than you do. I suspect the only thing you know about the war is what you saw in a movie or read on some stupid antiwar rally placard.

Regardless of how the soldiers got there the filthy ass bitch was giving aid and comfort to the enemy and that is despicable.

You not understanding why it was despicable speaks volumes of your ignorance and immorality.

Typical for a stupid uneducated Moon Bat.

I hate to argue, but "being over there" in no way implies any actual knowledge about the history, people, culture, or feelings about Ho Chi Minh.
How our soldiers got there is of the most important regard of all.
They should NOT have been there.
So then the "enemy" was those who put our soldiers there illegally, not the VC who we were illegally fighting.
Diem, ( and later Theiu, Ky, etc.), was not the legal leader of South Vietnam.
Bau Dai was.
So then we were illegally fighting to maintain an evil dictatorship.
The will of the people would have been for Ho Chi Minh.

Just ask yourself how Ho Chi Minh could have beaten the French if he was not wildly popular?

 

[Flash]

How many of your friends died? What did you accomplish when you left the Socialist Republic of Vietnam?

You are confused Moon Bat. You don't know anything about the war except what you saw in the movies, do you?

Men died because that incompetent shithead Democrat LBJ mismanaged the war.

The fucker escalated it and then he stupidly decided to fight the Communists on their terms and that is what caused the massive US casualties.

Nixon fixed that by withdrawing American combat troops and then taking the war to the Communists.

I was sent over to Vietnam by LBJs massivie escalation of troops. I came home with Nixon's withdrawal of troops. If you want to bitch about about the war killing Americans then bitch about the Democrat's typical incompetency. Not much different than what we are seeing in Afghanistan now.

However, none of that makes any difference when it comes to Jane Fonda. When Americans troops were fighting the Communists the bitch was giving aid and comfort to them in a photo op sitting on a weapon designed to kill Americans.

Just cram your filthy ass American hating anit war bullshit up your Libtard ass. You know nothing of the war. You just look like a fool pretending you do.

 

[surada]

You are confused Moon Bat. You don't know anything about the war except what you saw in the movies, do you?

Men died because that incompetent shithead Democrat LBJ mismanaged the war.

The fucker escalated it and then he stupidly decided to fight the Communists on their terms and that is what caused the massive US casualties.

Nixon fixed that by withdrawing American combat troops and then taking the war to the Communists.

I was sent over to Vietnam by LBJs massivie escalation of troops. I came home with Nixon's withdrawal of troops. If you want to bitch about about the war killing Americans then bitch about the Democrat's typical incompetency. Not much different than what we are seeing in Afghanistan now.

However, none of that makes any difference when it comes to Jane Fonda. When Americans troops were fighting the Communists the bitch was giving aid and comfort to them in a photo op sitting on a weapon designed to kill Americans.

Just cram your filthy ass American hating anit war bullshit up your Libtard ass. You know nothing of the war. You just look like a fool pretending you do.

How many American sons died in VN and how many where maimed?

 

[Flash]

I hate to argue, but "being over there" in no way implies any actual knowledge about the history, people, culture, or feelings about Ho Chi Minh.
How our soldiers got there is of the most important regard of all.
They should NOT have been there.
So then the "enemy" was those who put our soldiers there illegally, not the VC who we were illegally fighting.
Diem, ( and later Theiu, Ky, etc.), was not the legal leader of South Vietnam.
Bau Dai was.
So then we were illegally fighting to maintain an evil dictatorship.
The will of the people would have been for Ho Chi Minh.

Just ask yourself how Ho Chi Minh could have beaten the French if he was not wildly popular?

If you don't think they should have been over there then blame that asshole Kennedy for sending the first ground troops and then blame LBJ for massively escalating the war and then royally fucking it up. Praise President Nixon for bringing the troops home and getting the Commie bastards to sign the Paris Peace Accords that essentially ended America's combat involvement.

Then you can damn the Democrat dickheads for abandoning the South Vietnamese which gave the Communists the green light to invade. Why you are doing the blame then remember the blood of the Killing Fields is on the hands of the Democrats.

It was the Democrats that were drafting 50K American men the month I graduated from high school and sending hundreds of thousands to Vietnam so go bitch to them.

Jane Fonda was a piece of Liberal shit that acted like an asshole. Regardless of the politics she gave aid and comfort to the Communists at a time they were killing Americans and that ain't cool. Piss on her.

 

[Flash]

How many American sons died in VN and how many where maimed?

Go ask LBJ. He was the dickhead that mismanaged the war that caused so many unnecessary US deaths.

He fucked the American people with the welfare state and getting Americans killed in Vietnam.

Almost as bad a President as The Worthless Negro or Joe Potatohead.

 

[Rigby5]

If you don't think they should have been over there then blame that asshole Kennedy for sending the first ground troops and then blame LBJ for massively escalating the war and then royally fucking it up. Praise President Nixon for bringing the troops home and getting the Commie bastards to sign the Paris Peace Accords that essentially ended America's combat involvement.

Then you can damn the Democrat dickheads for abandoning the South Vietnamese which gave the Communists the green light to invade. Why you are doing the blame then remember the blood of the Killing Fields is on the hands of the Democrats.

It was the Democrats that were drafting 50K American men the month I graduated from high school and sending hundreds of thousands to Vietnam so go bitch to them.

Jane Fonda was a piece of Liberal shit that acted like an asshole. Regardless of the politics she gave aid and comfort to the Communists at a time they were killing Americans and that ain't cool. Piss on her.

Sure.
I am willing to blame Kennedy and Johnson, and give Nixon the credit for getting out.

But I will not accept the US backed dictators like Diem, Theiu, Ky, etc.
Ho Chi Minh was by far the most popular and would have been the leader of choice, if free and fair elections had ever been allowed.

In my opinion, by showing us that the whole country of Vietnam did not want us there, just as they did not want the French there, she saved US lives.
That makes her a hero.
There really is no way around it.
She was no doing it for money, fame, or anything else.
And she was not lying or wrong.
She was right that the Pentagon was wrong, and we should not have been there.

 

[Rigby5]

Go ask LBJ. He was the dickhead that mismanaged the war that caused so many unnecessary US deaths.

He fucked the American people with the welfare state and getting Americans killed in Vietnam.

Almost as bad a President as The Worthless Negro or Joe Potatohead.

Lets say I agree Johnson was awful.
That does not change the fact the war in Vietnam was awful.
The dictators of South Vietnam were awful.
We accomplished nothing being there, should never have gone there, and getting out the sooner the better was right.
So didn't Fonda help get us out sooner rather than later?

 

[Flash]

Sure.
I am willing to blame Kennedy and Johnson, and give Nixon the credit for getting out.

But I will not accept the US backed dictators like Diem, Theiu, Ky, etc.
Ho Chi Minh was by far the most popular and would have been the leader of choice, if free and fair elections had ever been allowed.

In my opinion, by showing us that the whole country of Vietnam did not want us there, just as they did not want the French there, she saved US lives.
That makes her a hero.
There really is no way around it.
She was no doing it for money, fame, or anything else.
And she was not lying or wrong.
She was right that the Pentagon was wrong, and we should not have been there.

You are confused about this.

Hanoi Jane went to Vietnam at a time when Americans were getting killed and the filthy bitch gave aid and comfort to the enemy and that was despicable.

She pretended she was shooting down Americans when she was sitting on the gun aimed at Americans.

If she had a bitch about the war then it was with the assholes like LBJ that were sending Americans to their deaths. Her protest should have been at the White House instead of in North Vietnam.

She was no hero but a traitor to her country.

You obviously don't understand that. Of course you are an uneducated Moon Bat and you are confused about a great many things so this is no different.

Being a non interventionist Conservative I was opposed to the invasion of Iraq. Idiots like Bush, Crooked Hillary, John "Asshole" Kerry and Joe Dufus supported the invasion but not me.

Although I didn't support the invasion I would have never considered giving aid and comfort to anybody that was fighting Americans. Jane Fonda was a shithead for doing what she did. Shame! Shame on you for not understanding what she did wrong. You have some mental problems there Sport.

 

[harmonica]

Sure it is just speculation on my part, but if you read about how wildly popular Ho Chi Minh was for defeating the French and liberating the whole country, you can't help but choose to believe that Ho Chi Minh would have won any fair election if allowed.
And that is what the US is supposed to be about, free and fair elections.
Instead, in Vietnam it was the US, supporting the military takeover by Diem, that prevented free and fair elections.
Fonda allowed us to see the other side.
The people we were killing in Vietnam were not evil invaders, but were the honorable patriots instead.
We were totally on the wrong side.
Fonda was right, and we should be grateful to her for helping to stop the killing, and bringing our boys home, including the POWs.

we should never have went into Vietnam...but Fonda was a dumbass ......
she went in 1972!!!!!!!!!!! there were many protests/etc loooong before that --
Kent State was 1970!!!!!
Fonda didn't help with anything

 

[harmonica]

Fonda made no mistake.
She saved tens of thousands of lives, and allowed the war to end years earlier than it might have.

ridiculous
and --Nixon tried to sabotage the peace talks

 

[Rigby5]

You are confused about this.

Hanoi Jane went to Vietnam at a time when Americans were getting killed and the filthy bitch gave aid and comfort to the enemy and that was despicable.

She pretended she was shooting down Americans when she was sitting on the gun aimed at Americans.

If she had a bitch about the war then it was with the assholes like LBJ that were sending Americans to their deaths. Her protest should have been at the White House instead of in North Vietnam.

She was no hero but a traitor to her country.

You obviously don't understand that. Of course you are an uneducated Moon Bat and you are confused about a great many things so this is no different.

Being a non interventionist Conservative I was opposed to the invasion of Iraq. Idiots like Bush, Crooked Hillary, John "Asshole" Kerry and Joe Dufus supported the invasion but not me.

Although I didn't support the invasion I would have never considered giving aid and comfort to anybody that was fighting Americans. Jane Fonda was a shithead for doing what she did. Shame! Shame on you for not understanding what she did wrong. You have some mental problems there Sport.

When what US troops are doing is wrong, you HAVE to give aid and comfort to those that are right, even if that means the death of more US troops who are wrong.
But Jane did not give aid or comfort to the enemy.
She just show us more about the Vietnamese, so that we could learn how wrong we were.
That saved US lives.

Would you support a gangster in the US who is murdering children just because it is a US citizen?
Of course not.
And the US citizens who were massacring Vietnamese villages and bombing Vietnamese homes with B-52s or napalm, were wrong.
As wrong as any gangster.
They should have known better.

People have rights, not just US citizens.
And in Vietnam, the Vietnamese should have more rights than US soldiers, who did not belong there.