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And once again, fart wad, read this for the Actual Story!Wrong! The Republican U.S. Supreme Court made the final decision. So you're
Once again you dumb ass, 7 of 9 AGREED that the recount as conducted was illegal. Further Bush won every completed recount done legally. And he won every recount done after the fact even by biased sources.
Yes, Bush v. Gore Did Steal the Election -- NYMag
I guess you missed this post as you cried about Republicans and ignored democrats.
Hiding behind the Majority-Minority district policy of the voting rights act doesn't change the fact that Republicans drew stupidly bias maps. Bias to the point of absurdity with Democrats winning 50.6% of the vote and getting 31% of the seats.
I notice you did not care that prior to 2010 when the dems controlled NC and drew all the maps and made shit like 12 and 1 there was no outrage from you. Not a peep. No complaints no hand wringing no outrage. Funny how that works.
A Florida judge has asked the state legislature to redraw the state’s congressional map by Aug. 15, holding out the possibility that Florida could postpone some or all of its House elections until after the scheduled general election on Nov. 4.
After weeks of nudging from Democratic groups and uncertainty for candidates running in House races, Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis — who previously ruled the state’s congressional map violated the Florida Constitution — on Friday provided some clarity on how a new map could still affect the 2014 election...
...“There is just no way, legally or logistically, to put in place a new map, amend the various deadlines and have elections on November 4th, as prescribed by Federal law. … However it might be possible to push the general election date back to allow for a special election in 2014 for any affected districts.”
ah yes, you must find him a rock star?
Do you actually ever read for content, Stephanie?
No one is a rock star for me.
This is news.
Learn to discern, like adults do. The information is all there in the OP.
And you might note the disclaimer at the end.
naaa, I don't take anything from you as "adult"
but answer my questions? why are you in favor of allowing lowly judges to overturn the will of the people? where is that in their POWERS?
It's against the gop so it's AOK with you
North Carolina 12th district
North Carolina's 12th congressional district - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
North Carolina 1st district
North Carolina's 1st congressional district - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And as to why we have both of them as is.....
North Carolina Redistricting Cases: the 1990s
I guess you missed this post as you cried about Republicans and ignored democrats.
Hiding behind the Majority-Minority district policy of the voting rights act doesn't change the fact that Republicans drew stupidly bias maps. Bias to the point of absurdity with Democrats winning 50.6% of the vote and getting 31% of the seats.
I guess you missed this post as you cried about Republicans and ignored democrats.
Hiding behind the Majority-Minority district policy of the voting rights act doesn't change the fact that Republicans drew stupidly bias maps. Bias to the point of absurdity with Democrats winning 50.6% of the vote and getting 31% of the seats.
just to elaborate upon your point, democrats received 1 million more votes than the GOP in the House. the fact that they are the majority is an obscenity.
So, was Mr. Gerry Mandering at work here?
This is a big story. A REAL big story, and one with some far-reaching implications:
TALLAHASSEE: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map - Florida - MiamiHerald.com
TALLAHASSEE -- A judge threw out Floridas congressional redistricting map Thursday, ruling that the Legislature allowed for a secret, organized campaign by partisan operatives to subvert the redistricting process in violation of the state Constitution.
Leon County Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis ruled that two of the states 27 districts are invalid and must be redrawn, along with any other districts affected by them, to bring the map into compliance with the states new Fair District amendments.
The 41-page ruling, issued late Thursday, invalidates the entire congressional map and raises questions now about whether the map will be redrawn before the November elections or revised later. The case, brought by a coalition led by the League of Women Voters, is expected to be appealed and ultimately decided by the Florida Supreme Court.
Any change in the political lines for Congress would have a ripple effect on other races, though not until the 2016 election cycle.
Lewis rejected challenges to districts in South Florida and Tampa Bay, but said that District 5, held by Democrat U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown of Jacksonville, and District 10, held by Republican U.S. Rep. Dan Webster of Winter Park will need to be redrawn, as will any other districts affected thereby.
The judge agreed with the coalitions prime argument: that Republican legislators and staffers collaborated with political consultants to create a shadow redistricting process that protected incumbents and the GOP.
Judge invalidates two Florida congressional districts | Tampa Bay Times
Lewis drew no conclusions that House Speaker Will Weatherford, former House Speaker Dean Cannon and Senate President Don Gaetz were aware of the scheme, but he raised doubts that they were not in some way complicit. The judge detailed the involvement of Cannon's aide, Kirk Pepper, and repeated evidence that came out at trial about Pepper forwarding draft maps to GOP operative Marc Reichelderfer.
Lewis also noted that legislative leaders and the political operatives destroyed almost all of their emails and other documents related to redistricting and concluded that the circumstantial evidence surrounding all of those developments, and the evidence that the consultants attempted to influence the same districts he has found problematic, proved the GOP operatives were trying to influence the process.
"There is no legal duty on the part of the Legislature to preserve these records, but you have to wonder why they didn't,'' he wrote. "Litigation over their plans was 'a moral certainty' as their lawyers put it earlier in the case, and intent would be a key issue in any challenge."
Lewis tore apart the defense of the most controversial district in Florida's map District 5, a snake-shaped boundary that runs from Jacksonville to Orlando and was first drawn by a court 20 years ago when Brown was first elected.
Lewis said the changes made to the other district, 10, "benefited the incumbent Representative Webster" and violated the Fair Districts rules.
Lewis also raised questions about the decision by House and Senate leaders to ignore the potential political performance of most districts they drew and why they didn't concern themselves with the authors of publicly submitted maps.
Florida's electoral map in flux after court ruling | Reuters
"The court found that the Republican consultants made a mockery of fair districting and that there was a secretive, organized campaign, a shadow process of map-drawing," Macnab added.
The was the latest development in a protracted legal fight that began after the state House and Senate redrew Florida's congressional districts in 2012. Republicans control both houses of the state legislature.
"What is clear to me from the evidence ... is that this group of Republican political consultants or operatives did in fact conspire to manipulate and influence the redistricting process," Lewis wrote in the 41-page ruling.
University of Central Florida political science professor Aubrey Jewett said the ruling would bolster Democratic strength in the so-called I-4 corridor running across central Florida.
One prominent Democrat affected by the ruling, U.S. Representative Corrine Brown of Jacksonville, said the ruling dealt a blow to black voting rights. The judge ordered the redrawing of her congressional district and an adjoining Orlando-area district represented by Republican U.S. Representative Daniel Webster.
The plaintiffs who challenged the redistricting claimed that Republican legislators packed as many black voters as possible into Brown's district, which she was likely to win anyway, so that districts bordering on it would be more heavily white and likely to vote Republican.
Those districts include Webster's district in the Orlando area. Six of the seven congressional districts adjoining Brown's district are represented by Republicans.
A Florida judge just voided the state?s congressional districts. Here?s what you need to know. - The Washington Post
Lewis singles out the 5th District, saying it is "visually not compact, bizarrely shaped, and does not follow traditional political boundaries as it winds from Jacksonville to Orlando." Its finger-like appendage jutting into Seminole County "was done with the intent of benefitting the Republican Party." The 5th District was originally drawn in the 90s with the intent of creating a majority-minority district, and by extension a safe Democratic seat. Democrat Corinne Brown has held that seat since 1992.
But as I've described in detail before, when you concentrate minority voting power in one district, you necessarily dilute it everywhere else. You end up with district-level segregation: minority districts for minority voters. Judge Lewis notes this in the Florida case -- the appendage from District 5 going into Seminole County had the net effect of increasing the minority population in District 5, and decreasing it in neighboring District 7, making that district more friendly to Republicans...
...Democrat Corinne Brown, who's held the 5th District for more than 20 years, last night issued a blistering statement opposing the judge's ruling. As the Tampa Bay Times' Alex Leary describes in great detail, Brown partnered with Republicans to create that district in the 1990s. She's siding with them again in Florida's redistricting case, and it's easy to see the mutual benefit there: Brown gets a safe majority-minority district, while Republicans benefit from diluted minority representation in all the districts surrounding Brown's.
In effect, she's choosing political self-interest over the interest of her party...
...The Florida ruling adds up to a scathing indictment of the redistricting process in that state, and by extension the similar processes that happen in most other states. As long as redistricting remains in the hands of the partisans, real reform is unlikely.
The WAPO article links to the judge's ruling, but I could not get the link to work:
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An important detail: this ruling has no effect on the 2014 mid-terms, but it will have an effect on the 2016 elections.
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And a personal note, on this thread over electioneering, a very large OP that covers the first five postings:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/clean-debate-zone/333884-electioneering.html#post8424470
I gave recommendations for how to do fair and impartial redistricting in all 50 states.
When you read what is happening in Florida (and could well happen in other states), I think that the argument I made has more and more merit with time.
Also, I want to make a specific note that in terms of Gerrymandering, the Democratic Party is often every bit as guilty as the Republican Party. This is a phenomenon that absolutely must stop.
Hiding behind the Majority-Minority district policy of the voting rights act doesn't change the fact that Republicans drew stupidly bias maps. Bias to the point of absurdity with Democrats winning 50.6% of the vote and getting 31% of the seats.
just to elaborate upon your point, democrats received 1 million more votes than the GOP in the House. the fact that they are the majority is an obscenity.
The constitution is an obscenity in the mind of the leftist.
did the ruling include public proceedings and disclosures for the newly drawn map including plaintiff input ?
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