Fire in Alberta

[Old Rocks]

So now the arguement is that 500+ square mile fires that burn out cities of over 80,000 people are just a wonderful thing. Let's see how that plays out in politics.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Alberta’s aging forests increase risk of ‘catastrophic fires’: 2012 report

“Wildfire suppression has significantly reduced the area burned in Alberta’s boreal forest. However, due to reduced wildfire activity, forests of Alberta are aging, which ultimately changes ecosystems and is beginning to increase the risk of large and potentially costly catastrophic wildfires.

To deal with this threat, the committee proposed expanding fire weather advisories to include potential wildfire behaviour, developing quick-response, firefighting specialists, and doing more work on fire prevention through the province’s FireSmart committee."



This report tells the whole story and how this could have been avoided had they changed their management of the forest and allowed logging of the wood as it aged. The fact that it has dried out (as is common in El Niño weather patterns) is natural variation and expected.

The far left wing nut cases like Old Fraud are pushing their agenda from a position of ignorance and deceit.

 

[Billy_Bob]

So now the arguement is that 500+ square mile fires that burn out cities of over 80,000 people are just a wonderful thing. Let's see how that plays out in politics.

I suspect the left wing nut bags in Alberta will have their political careers shortened as they were warned this could happen and did NOTHING.. The citizens of Alberta are pissed off and they know about the reports... Your propagandist bull shit and politicizing this as man caused by GHG retention is pure grade-A horse shit..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Need to keep this one on top for a while..

Showing the desperation of the left to justify their agenda with lies and deception in grand fashion.. No lie is to big to try and dupe the low information voter..

Apply this to every chicken little scream you hear from them, do some real research, and you will find they are lying.. Every time!

 

[mamooth]

Show me your data moron.. It wasn't until the late 80's that the policy was stopped.. I live here! You dont have a dam clue and you spew your master's talking points of pure bull shit..

And Billy gets busted lying again. Film at 11.

Association for Fire Ecology - Journal
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Fire suppression was the only fire policy for all federal land management agencies until the late 1960s when the National Park Service officially recognized fire as a natural process. Lightning fires ignited in special management zones in parks were allowed to run their course under prescribed conditions. The Forest Service followed suit in 1974 and changed its policy from fire control to fire management, allowing lightning fires to burn in wilderness areas.
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The world awaits Billy's excuse. Will it be his usual "Every source that contradicts me is fraudulent!", or will he get more creative?

 

[mamooth]

This report tells the whole story and how this could have been avoided had they changed their management of the forest and allowed logging of the wood as it aged..

"We have to cut down the forests to save them!". Normal timber company stuff. Yes, if you do remove the forests, they won't burn. Billy here regards that as an amazing discovery.

Back in reality, the key is removing burnable vegetation near any structures. That's not at all popular, being people like having the pretty trees and bushes near their houses. But if a whole area is cleared like that, then the wildfires can't burn through it.

 

[skookerasbil]

So now the arguement is that 500+ square mile fires that burn out cities of over 80,000 people are just a wonderful thing. Let's see how that plays out in politics.

It will be an issue................but for very few.

A huge plurality is not sitting home saying, "Shit......we gotta do something about global warming to stop these fires!!"

They saw the floods in southern Texas last month..........most people figure its their turn to get fucked. That's just the way it is on the real world.......a very small % are obsessed about the whole global warming causing everything thing, thus, the frequent reference to "the religion".

C'mon Ray......you've been on this fire stuff for years and it hasn't added up to dick in the political arena.

 

[skookerasbil]

This report tells the whole story and how this could have been avoided had they changed their management of the forest and allowed logging of the wood as it aged..

"We have to cut down the forests to save them!". Normal timber company stuff. Yes, if you do remove the forests, they won't burn. Billy here regards that as an amazing discovery.

Back in reality, the key is removing burnable vegetation near any structures. That's not at all popular, being people like having the pretty trees and bushes near their houses. But if a whole area is cleared like that, then the wildfires can't burn through it.

Yep.....back in "reality"..........where the climate obsessed have been telling us that wildfires are some new climate phenomenon!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

General Article: America's Most Devastating Wildfires

WGBH American Experience | PBS



....fucking mental cases in this forum!!!


Progressives are born phonies...........when their arguments are pitted against a comparison standard, they get nuked!!!


BIGGEST FIRES IN NORTH AMERICA HAPPENED LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG AGO


F'ING DUH

 

[skookerasbil]

One may wonder why the people of the AGW religion even bother when they publically get their clocks cleaned every day in here?

I'll tell you why............

These people are grunts...........they were social oddballs of the highest order in their formative years. Got their balls kicked in and their lunchboxes smashed so being made to look stoopid on a public message board is nothing to these people........they can and will say anything no matter how foolish it looks. Its what they do.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Show me your data moron.. It wasn't until the late 80's that the policy was stopped.. I live here! You dont have a dam clue and you spew your master's talking points of pure bull shit..

And Billy gets busted lying again. Film at 11.

Association for Fire Ecology - Journal
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Fire suppression was the only fire policy for all federal land management agencies until the late 1960s when the National Park Service officially recognized fire as a natural process. Lightning fires ignited in special management zones in parks were allowed to run their course under prescribed conditions. The Forest Service followed suit in 1974 and changed its policy from fire control to fire management, allowing lightning fires to burn in wilderness areas.
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The world awaits Billy's excuse. Will it be his usual "Every source that contradicts me is fraudulent!", or will he get more creative?

Too funny:

Call someone a liar and show no evidence of it.. Put up a bunch of bluster and BS.. Snageltooth just cant win.. I even gave the liar a link to the folks who manage the forest...

Nothing more than left wing desperation after being caught in the lie...

 

[skookerasbil]

Yet another amongst the scores of threads in here where skeptics cleaned the clocks of the AGW k00ks, effortlessly exposing the frauds!!! Go back to the previous page........

 

[CrusaderFrank]

By RACHEL LA CORTE and ROB GILLIES
Associated Press

LAC LA BICHE, Alberta (AP) - Canadian officials hoped to complete the mass evacuation of work camps north of Alberta's main oil sands city of Fort McMurray on Saturday, fearing a growing wildfire could double in size and reach a major oil sands mine and even the neighboring province of Saskatchewan.

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• Wildfire evacuees glimpse burned out city on way south
  
  By RACHEL LA CORTE and ROB GILLIES
  Associated Presss
  EDMONTON, Alberta (AP) - Displaced residents at oil field camps north of Fort McMurray, Alberta got a sobering drive-by view of their burned out city Friday in a convoy that moved evacuees south amid a massive wildfire that officials fear could double in size by the end of Saturday.
  
  As police and military oversaw the procession of hundreds of vehicles, a mass airlift of evacuees also resumed. A day after 8,000 people were flown out, authorities said 5,500 more were expected to be evacuated by the end of Friday and another 4,000 on Saturday.
  
  More than 80,000 people have left Fort McMurray in the heart of Canada' oil sands, where the fire has torched 1,600 homes and other buildings. The mass evacuation forced as much as a quarter of Canada's oil output offline according to estimates and is expected to impact a country already hurt by a dramatic fall in the price of oil.
  
  About 1,200 vehicles had passed through Fort McMurray by late Friday afternoon despite a one-hour interruption due to heavy smoke, authorities said.
  
  Jim Dunstan was in the convoy with his wife, Tracy, and two young sons. "It was shocking to see the damaged cars all burned on the side of the road. It made you feel lucky to get out of there," he said.
  
  In Edmonton, between 4,500 and 5,000 evacuees arrived at the airport on at least 45 flights Friday, airport spokesman Chris Chodan said. In total, more than 300 flights have arrived with evacuees since Tuesday, he said.
  
  A group that arrived late Friday afternoon was greeted by volunteers who handed out bottled water and helped direct people where to go next.
  
  Among them was 32-year-old Chad Robertson, a fuel truck driver who was evacuated from Husky Energy's Sunrise project, northeast of Fort McMurray. He said that when the fire started, even though the flames were relatively far away, "everyone started panicking."
  
  Robertson said he had plans to go to a friend's house in Edmonton before heading home to Nova Scotia.
  
  Scott Burrell, 42, from Kelowna, British Columbia, was waiting with others in an airport terminal that had been repurposed for evacuees who were resting and waiting for flights. He said he was working for a scaffolding company at a plant called Fort Hills when the fire broke out Tuesday.
  
  "We were working overtime and I just saw what looked like a massive cloud in the sky, but I knew it was fire," he said. "The very next day was my day to go home. Ends up we weren't going home that day."
  
  Burrell and others were evacuated by plane Friday, after spending three days with families who arrived at the work camp because they were evacuated from their towns. He said he and other workers rationed their food to help the families who were coming in, and some offered up their living spaces for them.
  
  Burrell planned to catch a flight back to British Columbia.
  
  The Alberta provincial government, which declared a state of emergency, said Friday the size of the blaze had grown to more than 101,000 hectares (249,571 acres). No deaths or injuries were reported.
  
  The government said 1,100 firefighters, 110 helicopters, 295 pieces of heavy equipment and more than 27 air tankers were fighting the blaze. But Chad Morrison, Alberta's manager of wildfire prevention, said the fire covers 101,000 hectares (249,571 acres) and "there is a high potential that the fire could double in size by the end of tomorrow."
  
  Morrison said no amount of resources would put this fire out. They need rain.
  
  "We have not seen rain in this area for the last two months of significance," Morrison said. "This fire will continue to burn for a very long time until we see some significant rain."
  
  Environment Canada forecast a 40 percent chance of showers in the area on Sunday.
  
  Morrison said he expected the fire to expand into a more remote forested area northeast and away from Fort McMurray but said extremely dry conditions and a hot temperature of 27 Celsius (81 Fahrenheit) was expected Saturday along with strong winds. He said cooler conditions were expected Sunday and Monday.
  
  About 25,000 evacuees moved north in the hours after Tuesday's mandatory evacuation, where oil sands work camps that usually house employees were used to house evacuees. But the bulk of the more than 80,000 evacuees fled south to Edmonton and elsewhere, and officials are moving everyone south where it is safer and they can get better support services. The convoy was stopped for an hour.
  
  The Alberta government is providing cash to 80,000 evacuees from the Fort McMurray fire to help them with their immediate needs. Premier Rachel Notley said her cabinet has approved a payment of $1,250 Canadian (US$967) per adult and $500 Canadian (US$387) per dependent at a cost to the province of $100 million Canadian (US$77 million). She told a briefing in Edmonton that she wants people who were forced from their homes to know that the government "has their back."
  
  Police were escorting 50 vehicles at a time, south through the city itself on Highway 63 at a distance of about 20 kilometers (12.4 miles) south and then releasing the convoy. At that point another convoy of 50 cars begins.
  
  All intersections along the convoy route have been blocked off and evacuees are not being allowed back to check on their homes in Fort McMurray. The city is surrounded by wilderness, and there are essentially only two ways out via road.
  
  Fanned by high winds, scorching heat and low humidity, the fire grew from 75 square kilometers (29 square miles) Tuesday to 100 square kilometers (39 square miles) on Wednesday, but by Thursday it was almost nine times that - at 850 square kilometers (330 square miles). That's an area roughly the size of Calgary, Alberta's largest city.
  
  The fire was so large that smoke from the fair is blanketing parts of the neighboring province of Saskatchewan where Environment Canada has issued special air quality statements for several areas.
  
  Morrison, the wildfire prevention manager, said the cause of the fire hasn't been determined, but that it started in a remote forested area and could have been ignited by lightning.
  
  The region has the third-largest reserves of oil in the world behind Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.
  
  Greg Pardy, an analyst with RBC Capital Markets, said that as much as 1 million barrels a day of oil may be offline, based on oil company announcements. That's just over a third of Canada's total oil sands output, Pardy noted.
  
  Gillies reported from Toronto.
  
  Associated Press writer Charmaine Noronha in Toronto contributed.
  
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  An entire city in Canada has been forced to evacuate as a massive wildfire rages. Check out the images from the blaze.
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The Alberta government said the massive blaze in the province will cover more than 200,000 hectares (494,211 acres) by Sunday and will continue to grow because of high temperatures, dry conditions and high winds. Chad Morrison of Alberta Wildfire expects to be fighting the fire in the forested areas for months.

Officials hope to complete Alberta wildfire evacuation

And there are at least 39 other fires going in the province of Alberta. Predictions are for another hot dry summer in Washington, Oregon, and California this summer. Another of the predictions of the scientists that have been trying to warn us of the effects of global warming is coming true.

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