Filling a gas-powered vehicle can still be cheaper than charging an electric one

[Stryder50]

These make sense and are doable.

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10 Tips to Get the Most Out of a Tank of Gas - Consumer Reports

Consumer Reports gives tips on how to get the most out of a tank of gas and improve your vehicle's fuel economy.

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[Captain Caveman]

Long term maintenance and repair costs haven't been figured for EV's. Internal combustion vehicles are horribly expensive in that regard.

The only difference is the engine and exhaust. You have more electrics on an EV. My service each year, I asked for oil, oil filter and air filter change. The car in 19 years has had £120 back box on the exhaust. Everything else that has been maintained is exactly the same on an EV.

So don't be fooled by this service cost idea. And the problem is, garages are not geared up to service an EV, so you are stuck with main dealers at main dealer prices on main dealer service packs.

Just like an ICE, a problem can occur. A cell in an EV battery goes bad, what's the cost involved to sort that?

 

[Bobob]

Savings on Purchase price alone is huge!

Many electric cars owners have been reveling in their purchases as gasoline prices reach record highs.

According to the EPA, the national average for a kilowatt-hour of electricity is 13 cents, including at homes where most electric car owners charge their vehicles with 240-volt Level 2 chargers that typically take eight hours or more to fill them up. Many of these are also available in public settings like office and shopping center parking lots, where they are known as destination chargers.

Things are much different at the Level 3 public DC fast-charging stations that allow some electric vehicles to recharge to 80% as quickly as 18 to 40 minutes, depending on the model and station speed, and are seen by some as the silver bullet that will make owning an electric car as convenient as a gas-powered one. Much of Tesla's success is attributed to its decision to roll out its proprietary network of Supercharger fast charging stations to support its owners.

On the Electrify America network that's compatible with all electric vehicles, fast-charge rates are as high as 43 cents per kilowatt-hour in some states, including California, New York, Florida and Washington. The price can be reduced to 31 cents by enrolling in a membership with a monthly fee.

At the higher rate, charging the entry-level version of the Ford Mustang Mach-E -- which has a starting price of $37,495 after federal tax credits are deducted and a range of 247 miles between charges -- would cost $2,100 annually for 15,000 miles of driving, compared to $1,500 at 31 cents and just $650 in an average home.

In contrast, a similarly sized Ford Escape Hybrid that starts at $32,780 and gets 41 mpg needs just $1,550 worth of gas each year to fill up at $4.25 per gallon, and it's $2,100 for a nonhybrid $27,755 Escape S rated at 30 mpg. In California, which has the highest priced gasoline at $5.57 per gallon, those costs would be $2,050 and $2,800.

Not everyone buys an electric car with the expectation of saving money, but it's important for anyone looking to cut costs to do the math on their particular situation before they write a check. As they say, your mileage -- and local energy prices -- will vary.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...eaper-electric

and this fails to discuss the inconvenience if charging stations are 1-2 out of one's way

It is early in the game for electric vehicles and charging them. Everything new is expensive until it isn't. The name of this game it to get off the oil standard. Being energy efficient means nothing if we still pay the high market price for oil product.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Savings on Purchase price alone is huge!

Many electric cars owners have been reveling in their purchases as gasoline prices reach record highs.

According to the EPA, the national average for a kilowatt-hour of electricity is 13 cents, including at homes where most electric car owners charge their vehicles with 240-volt Level 2 chargers that typically take eight hours or more to fill them up. Many of these are also available in public settings like office and shopping center parking lots, where they are known as destination chargers.

Things are much different at the Level 3 public DC fast-charging stations that allow some electric vehicles to recharge to 80% as quickly as 18 to 40 minutes, depending on the model and station speed, and are seen by some as the silver bullet that will make owning an electric car as convenient as a gas-powered one. Much of Tesla's success is attributed to its decision to roll out its proprietary network of Supercharger fast charging stations to support its owners.

On the Electrify America network that's compatible with all electric vehicles, fast-charge rates are as high as 43 cents per kilowatt-hour in some states, including California, New York, Florida and Washington. The price can be reduced to 31 cents by enrolling in a membership with a monthly fee.

At the higher rate, charging the entry-level version of the Ford Mustang Mach-E -- which has a starting price of $37,495 after federal tax credits are deducted and a range of 247 miles between charges -- would cost $2,100 annually for 15,000 miles of driving, compared to $1,500 at 31 cents and just $650 in an average home.

In contrast, a similarly sized Ford Escape Hybrid that starts at $32,780 and gets 41 mpg needs just $1,550 worth of gas each year to fill up at $4.25 per gallon, and it's $2,100 for a nonhybrid $27,755 Escape S rated at 30 mpg. In California, which has the highest priced gasoline at $5.57 per gallon, those costs would be $2,050 and $2,800.

Not everyone buys an electric car with the expectation of saving money, but it's important for anyone looking to cut costs to do the math on their particular situation before they write a check. As they say, your mileage -- and local energy prices -- will vary.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...eaper-electric

and this fails to discuss the inconvenience if charging stations are 1-2 out of one's way

Despite diesel being record high, the cost difference in buying an EV means I still wouldn't do the annual mileage to save money, I would be out of pocket with an EV. I'm approaching 55, I'm hoping never to own an EV, battery versions are not viable.

 

[Ordinary Guy]

It is early in the game for electric vehicles and charging them. Everything new is expensive until it isn't. The name of this game it to get off the oil standard. Being energy efficient means nothing if we still pay the high market price for oil product.

EVs are not energy independence, currently power grids will not be sustainable. You really should looking into all the products you use with derivatives from petroleum. Energy from oil is the least of your worries.

 

[Bobob]

EVs are not energy independence, currently power grids will not be sustainable. You really should looking into all the products you use with derivatives from petroleum. Energy from oil is the least of your worries.

No, energy from oil is a huge worry, as indicated by the outrageous prices based on politics.
No reason why we should not start the process, and what is currently the problems will be overcome in time.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

LMAO, you think people are going to provide charge stations for free, LMAO you are a gullible SOB

So true.

Failure to think and/or live in reality.
Yep, that's their trademark.

 

[Dadoalex]

Savings on Purchase price alone is huge!

Many electric cars owners have been reveling in their purchases as gasoline prices reach record highs.

According to the EPA, the national average for a kilowatt-hour of electricity is 13 cents, including at homes where most electric car owners charge their vehicles with 240-volt Level 2 chargers that typically take eight hours or more to fill them up. Many of these are also available in public settings like office and shopping center parking lots, where they are known as destination chargers.

Things are much different at the Level 3 public DC fast-charging stations that allow some electric vehicles to recharge to 80% as quickly as 18 to 40 minutes, depending on the model and station speed, and are seen by some as the silver bullet that will make owning an electric car as convenient as a gas-powered one. Much of Tesla's success is attributed to its decision to roll out its proprietary network of Supercharger fast charging stations to support its owners.

On the Electrify America network that's compatible with all electric vehicles, fast-charge rates are as high as 43 cents per kilowatt-hour in some states, including California, New York, Florida and Washington. The price can be reduced to 31 cents by enrolling in a membership with a monthly fee.

At the higher rate, charging the entry-level version of the Ford Mustang Mach-E -- which has a starting price of $37,495 after federal tax credits are deducted and a range of 247 miles between charges -- would cost $2,100 annually for 15,000 miles of driving, compared to $1,500 at 31 cents and just $650 in an average home.

In contrast, a similarly sized Ford Escape Hybrid that starts at $32,780 and gets 41 mpg needs just $1,550 worth of gas each year to fill up at $4.25 per gallon, and it's $2,100 for a nonhybrid $27,755 Escape S rated at 30 mpg. In California, which has the highest priced gasoline at $5.57 per gallon, those costs would be $2,050 and $2,800.

Not everyone buys an electric car with the expectation of saving money, but it's important for anyone looking to cut costs to do the math on their particular situation before they write a check. As they say, your mileage -- and local energy prices -- will vary.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...eaper-electric

and this fails to discuss the inconvenience if charging stations are 1-2 out of one's way

AND?

Weren't folks predicting $7, $8, $12 per gallon gas?

Do any of your calculations?

In 1920 a gallon of gas was 21 cents
BUT
The average hourly wage was about 17 cents per hour

Fast forward and all things being equal you'd be paying $30 per gallon today.
Why the delta?
Expansion of the fuel markets
Supply increased which kept prices low.

Why 1920?
About 15 years into the development of the US auto industry.
Today we're about 15 years into the development of the US EV industry.

AND

In 1920 people were complaining that the automobile would never replace the horse.

 

[Dadoalex]

EV's are a scam being foisted on the public by lefty loons.

1920...
"Autos are a scam being foisted on the public by horse hating communists."

You people never change.

 

[Dadoalex]

LMAO, you think people are going to provide charge stations for free, LMAO you are a gullible SOB

Free? No.
But locking out other EVs so you can charge exorbitant rates?
The market will kill the Tesla model.
Pricing will fall.

 

[Dadoalex]

I need 1000 plus to even consider it

Why?
do you drive 900 miles every time you get in your car?

Like a guy who buys an F350 4x4 with the top end tow package "because" he "needs" it to tow his jon-boat.

 

[Dadoalex]

I am not really surprised by the costs.
Biggest thing that most do not think about is we have almost maxed out our aging power grid. We use natural gas to produce the largest of our electrical needs. The government actually pays heavy subsidies to make so called green energy to make it even close to affordable to the consumer.
Will be interesting to hear how well things go once California starts shutting down power when the wind starts blowing

Fossils receive nearly $6 TRILLION in subsidies annually.
If green energy got that level of support we'd all be driving EVs today.

 

[Dadoalex]

not for everyone, they are a downfall for some

True.
Exxon, BP to name two.

 

[Dadoalex]

In the beginning of the last century, EV's were gaining popularity, especially with women, because they didn't have to physically turn a hand crank to start the engine.
But when the Ford company began selling cars with electric starters and your could start your engine by turning a key.
It doomed EV sales and they all went out of business.

And ford, among all the major manufacturers is planning to produce nothig but EVs by 2035.

The auto industry can. but apparently you can't

 

[Dadoalex]

YouTube has tons of video's with Tesla owners complaints and regrets for ever buying an EV car. ...

AND
I'm sure...
YOUTUBE is your go-to source for all your information.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Mr Natural]

In 50 years they'll be laughing at us and our gasoline powered cars.

That's assuming we make it another 50 years.

 

[Wyatt earp]

AND?

Weren't folks predicting $7, $8, $12 per gallon gas?

Do any of your calculations?

In 1920 a gallon of gas was 21 cents
BUT
The average hourly wage was about 17 cents per hour

Fast forward and all things being equal you'd be paying $30 per gallon today.
Why the delta?
Expansion of the fuel markets
Supply increased which kept prices low.

Why 1920?
About 15 years into the development of the US auto industry.
Today we're about 15 years into the development of the US EV industry.

AND

In 1920 people were complaining that the automobile would never replace the horse.

Holy shit


Hey captain dumb fuck electric cars are 140 years plus old

 

[Woodznutz]

YouTube has tons of video's with Tesla owners complaints and regrets for ever buying an EV car. ...

That's true of most car models.

 

[Woodznutz]

not for everyone, they are a downfall for some

That's true. IC engines will still be around. EV's will be the preferred urban commute vehicle, once the price comes down.

 

[Woodznutz]

In the beginning of the last century, EV's were gaining popularity, especially with women, because they didn't have to physically turn a hand crank to start the engine.
But when the Ford company began selling cars with electric starters and your could start your engine by turning a key.
It doomed EV sales and they all went out of business.

It also doomed the steam cars, which at the time outperformed all other types. Steamers took too long to come up to operating pressure, however that problem was solved with the development of the "flash boiler" which provide operating pressure in less than a minute. By that time gas engines had captivated the public, mainly because of their popularity as racing machines. Even their noise was appealing, something steamers and electrics lacked.

I'm still a fan of steamers, and in fact I was the first to design the "regenerative braking system", back in the 1960's. My design used a generator connected to the braking system to generate electricity which was turned into heat via a coil within the boiler which then helped boil the water.