Filling a gas-powered vehicle can still be cheaper than charging an electric one

If you own a Tesla that's out of warranty and it needs repaired.
Be prepared to take out a 2nd mortgage on your home.
Tesla refuses to sell parts or repair manuals to anyone. Period.
So you have to take your car to the Tesla dealership for repairs.
The parts are super expensive and the hourly repair rate is sky high.
 
Savings on Purchase price alone is huge!

Many electric cars owners have been reveling in their purchases as gasoline prices reach record highs.


According to the EPA, the national average for a kilowatt-hour of electricity is 13 cents, including at homes where most electric car owners charge their vehicles with 240-volt Level 2 chargers that typically take eight hours or more to fill them up. Many of these are also available in public settings like office and shopping center parking lots, where they are known as destination chargers.

Things are much different at the Level 3 public DC fast-charging stations that allow some electric vehicles to recharge to 80% as quickly as 18 to 40 minutes, depending on the model and station speed, and are seen by some as the silver bullet that will make owning an electric car as convenient as a gas-powered one. Much of Tesla's success is attributed to its decision to roll out its proprietary network of Supercharger fast charging stations to support its owners.

On the Electrify America network that's compatible with all electric vehicles, fast-charge rates are as high as 43 cents per kilowatt-hour in some states, including California, New York, Florida and Washington. The price can be reduced to 31 cents by enrolling in a membership with a monthly fee.

At the higher rate, charging the entry-level version of the Ford Mustang Mach-E -- which has a starting price of $37,495 after federal tax credits are deducted and a range of 247 miles between charges -- would cost $2,100 annually for 15,000 miles of driving, compared to $1,500 at 31 cents and just $650 in an average home.

In contrast, a similarly sized Ford Escape Hybrid that starts at $32,780 and gets 41 mpg needs just $1,550 worth of gas each year to fill up at $4.25 per gallon, and it's $2,100 for a nonhybrid $27,755 Escape S rated at 30 mpg. In California, which has the highest priced gasoline at $5.57 per gallon, those costs would be $2,050 and $2,800.

Not everyone buys an electric car with the expectation of saving money, but it's important for anyone looking to cut costs to do the math on their particular situation before they write a check. As they say, your mileage -- and local energy prices -- will vary.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...eaper-electric

and this fails to discuss the inconvenience if charging stations are 1-2 out of one's way
If I bought the same vehicle in electric, it's some £34,000 more. That means I will have to drive 200,000+ miles before I save money compared to my diesel van. Between my car and van, it's taken me 20 years to drive 200,000 miles, the car doing 170,000 miles of that.

Are EV's cost effective? No fucking chance. Would an EV battery pack last 20 years? Remains to be seen.
 
YouTube has tons of video's with Tesla owners complaints and regrets for ever buying an EV car. ... :cool-45:
I was chatting to a mate today. He was doing some work for a customer who parked his Tesla tight between a skip and his house. I thought he must have climbed out of the window but my mate said he parked it using his phone app.

The following morning, the guy couldn't unpark his car because it wouldn't connect to his app. So my mate said, "I will take my diesel van to the suppliers, get the materials and come back to see if you're still here". And he was, and he was well late for work, pmsfl.

This is the future guys, lol.
 
If I bought the same vehicle in electric, it's some £34,000 more. That means I will have to drive 200,000+ miles before I save money compared to my diesel van. Between my car and van, it's taken me 20 years to drive 200,000 miles, the car doing 170,000 miles of that.

Are EV's cost effective? No fucking chance. Would an EV battery pack last 20 years? Remains to be seen.
Long term maintenance and repair costs haven't been figured for EV's. Internal combustion vehicles are horribly expensive in that regard.
 
My son lives in Atlanta and has one of the $60K Teslas.

He is driving down (Central Florida) this weekend for his mother's birhday.

He is taking the family gas car because the cost of charging is about the same as buying gas and besides he has to spend two hours charging.
 
And support electric vehicles.
I support the concept but want lower initial cost, longer range, safer batteries. I just bought a 2003 gas guzzler, so I guess I actually support gas guzzlers. :biggrin: I also want comfort, safety, dependability, and simplicity. That's why I just bought my third Mercury Grand Marquis. The first two combined for 877,000 miles over a period of 24 years. Great cars.
 
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I support the concept but want lower initial cost, longer range, safer batteries. I just bought a 2003 gas guzzler, so I guess I actually support gas guzzlers. :biggrin: I also want comfort, safety, dependability, and simplicity. That's why I just bought my third Mercury Grand Marquis. The first two combined for 877,000 miles over a period of 24 years. Great cars.
No problem with that. Now get gas prices back to reasonable so people can afford to live until other energy sources and vehicles are ready sometime within the next 50 years possibly.
 
Last year I was traveling and pulled over to fill up my car with gas.
There was also a charging station area in the parking lot where I saw three Tesla's owners sitting in their EV's reading a book while waiting for their cars to charge up.
Doing that would drive me crazy on a long trip. With my gas car I'll pull up to the pump, fill my car, and I'm back on the highway in about 5 minutes.
 
Last year I was traveling and pulled over to fill up my car with gas.
There was also a charging station area in the parking lot where I saw three Tesla's owners sitting in their EV's reading a book while waiting for their cars to charge up.
Doing that would drive me crazy on a long trip. With my gas car I'll pull up to the pump, fill my car, and I'm back on the highway in about 5 minutes.
My son's experience with his Tesla in Atlanta.

It is fine for daily commuting. He put in a $1500 charging station in his garage and it provides charging for his weekly commuting.

However, if they do any running around on the weekend or go on a trip they take the gas SUV.

When he came down here to Central Florida (500 miles) in January he spent more than two hours each way charging.
 
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No problem with that. Now get gas prices back to reasonable so people can afford to live until other energy sources and vehicles are ready sometime within the next 50 years possibly.
I look for a mix of vehicles far into the future.
 
This is a start, but I'd suggest some web searching for a few other articles to get a better gauge.

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