Fascism

[Dissent]

Hm. I am pretty sure this country hits every single one of those boxes.If you don't think so please tell me which ones and why you don't think why we are there...

So Gary which party do you think is closer to this description. I agree we are moving in that direction but in your opinion which party is taking the lead?

I would say the republican party under Bush 2 started it and the Democrats have jumped on the bandwagon. Obama could have closed G Bay he didn't,he signed the NDAA into law,this is just among other things. Bush started it with the patriot act. If you go back in history Clinton was in office when Waco was attacked,Bush 1 was in office when Ruby Ridge happened. So the government has a long history of attacking its own citizens and that falls under the civil liberties part of the list.

 

[Sactowndog]

Obama, Romney, democrat, republican, it makes no difference. Who the president happens to be has no bearing on the relationship we all have with the law enforcement authorities and the courts, it is where fascism meets the rabble they wish to control. These people calling Obama a fascist are apparently willing to accept fascism as long as a republican runs it because they had no problem until a democrat was elected.

There is more on that list than just the relation to law enforcement. Scapegoating minorities, mixing church and state, anti-intellectualism.

Certainly there is but if the level of fascism is to be measured it is by how citizens are treated by the law and how much the populace is forcibly coerced rather than by other rather subjective things like propaganda.

Yes but that would extend to all citizens including gays, Hispanics etc.

 

[Sactowndog]

Hm. I am pretty sure this country hits every single one of those boxes.If you don't think so please tell me which ones and why you don't think why we are there...

So Gary which party do you think is closer to this description. I agree we are moving in that direction but in your opinion which party is taking the lead?

I would say the republican party under Bush 2 started it and the Democrats have jumped on the bandwagon. Obama could have closed G Bay he didn't,he signed the NDAA into law,this is just among other things. Bush started it with the patriot act. If you go back in history Clinton was in office when Waco was attacked,Bush 1 was in office when Ruby Ridge happened. So the government has a long history of attacking its own citizens and that falls under the civil liberties part of the list.

I agree with you on that point and I am deeply disappointed with Obama on those issues. He may lose my vote to the Libertarian party because of it. But, I am talking the parties generally not any one player. The thing that libertarians don't take into account is the concentration of power and money into fewer hands and mega corporations puts their liberties at risk just as much as government power. I think if they really thought about they would see their interests are more aligned today with the democratic party then the republican party.

 

[bripat9643]

You can't be a facist and a socialist at the same time. They are on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Good god, I understand your dislike Obama but try to be a little rational and targeted in your criticism. You might retain what little credibility you have left.

Wrong. That's a left-wing myth. Fascism is just a flavor of socialism. All you left-wing turds don't want to admit that because that means all the mass murdering tyrannies of the 20th century are on the left.

So Hitler was a socialist? Absolute RW idiocy. You believe all RW Propaganda, including NAZIS'. LOL I'd read up on that, because that is just evil Beckbot nonsense.

Why don't you argue with Hilter himself about whether he was a socialist:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"

- Adolf Hitler -​

 

[occupied]

Wrong. That's a left-wing myth. Fascism is just a flavor of socialism. All you left-wing turds don't want to admit that because that means all the mass murdering tyrannies of the 20th century are on the left.

So Hitler was a socialist? Absolute RW idiocy. You believe all RW Propaganda, including NAZIS'. LOL I'd read up on that, because that is just evil Beckbot nonsense.

Why don't you argue with Hilter himself about whether he was a socialist:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"

- Adolf Hitler -​

And yet it seems nothing got nationalized except the labor unions and the wealthy industrialists formed the core of the Nazi party, do you think there is a possibility that he was LYING?

 

[bripat9643]

So Hitler was a socialist? Absolute RW idiocy. You believe all RW Propaganda, including NAZIS'. LOL I'd read up on that, because that is just evil Beckbot nonsense.

Why don't you argue with Hilter himself about whether he was a socialist:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"

- Adolf Hitler -​

And yet it seems nothing got nationalized except the labor unions and the wealthy industrialists formed the core of the Nazi party, do you think there is a possibility that he was LYING?

Where do you get this crap that wealthy industrialists "formed the core of the Nazi party?" Liberals always say this, but I've never read a single thing that supports it.

Only morons are fooled by the left-wing idiocy that only nationalization of industry qualifies as socialism. Socialism means government control of the economy. How that is accomplished is irrelevant. The communists did it by expropriating private property. The Nazis did it by making all "private" corporations take direction from the government. Under National Socialism, "owners" of productive enterprises became little more than factory managers. The Nazi government made all the important business decisions. The government determined what goods were produced, what price they were sold at, what the workers were paid, and every other decision that corporate executives normally make. A title of ownership to a car means nothing if someone else makes all the decisions about how that car is used. Without control, there is no true ownership.

Lefturds always try to narrow the definition of socialism to the point where almost no government on earth qualifies. Smarter people aren't deluded by such tricks of propaganda.

 

[occupied]

Why don't you argue with Hilter himself about whether he was a socialist:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"

- Adolf Hitler -​

And yet it seems nothing got nationalized except the labor unions and the wealthy industrialists formed the core of the Nazi party, do you think there is a possibility that he was LYING?

Only morons are fooled by the left-wing idiocy that only nationalization of industry qualifies as socialism. Socialism means government control of the economy. How that is accomplished is irrelevant. The communists did it by expropriating private property. The Nazis did it by making all "private" corporations take direction from the government. owners of productive enterprises became little more than factory managers. The Nazi government made all the important business decisions. The government determined what goods were produced, what price they were sold at, what the workers were paid, and every other decision that corporate executives normally make. A title of ownership to a car means nothing if someone else makes all the decisions about how that car is used.

Lefturds always try to narrow the definition of socialism to the point where almost no government on earth qualifies. Smarter people aren't deluded by such tricks of propaganda.

By your definition America's wartime industrial production was socialism as well. You accuse me of a narrow definition of socialism, I could just as well accuse you of an over-broad definition. In the end, the wealth accumulated rapidly into the hands of just a few favored individuals, labor was stripped of it's power, democracy was officially scorned and the populace was held in check by force rather than any attempt to take care of their needs.

 

[bripat9643]

And yet it seems nothing got nationalized except the labor unions and the wealthy industrialists formed the core of the Nazi party, do you think there is a possibility that he was LYING?

Only morons are fooled by the left-wing idiocy that only nationalization of industry qualifies as socialism. Socialism means government control of the economy. How that is accomplished is irrelevant. The communists did it by expropriating private property. The Nazis did it by making all "private" corporations take direction from the government. owners of productive enterprises became little more than factory managers. The Nazi government made all the important business decisions. The government determined what goods were produced, what price they were sold at, what the workers were paid, and every other decision that corporate executives normally make. A title of ownership to a car means nothing if someone else makes all the decisions about how that car is used.

Lefturds always try to narrow the definition of socialism to the point where almost no government on earth qualifies. Smarter people aren't deluded by such tricks of propaganda.

By your definition America's wartime industrial production was socialism as well.

Yep, it sure was. In fact, it was the fascist variety of socialism. The economic system FDR imposed on the U.S. during WW II and the New Deal was exactly the same system Hitler imposed on Germany.

You accuse me of a narrow definition of socialism, I could just as well accuse you of an over-broad definition.

You just did, but your position is bullshit.

In the end, the wealth accumulated rapidly into the hands of just a few favored individuals, labor was stripped of it's power, democracy was officially scorned and the populace was held in check by force rather than any attempt to take care of their needs.

Even if that were true (which it isn't), it wouldn't prove Germany wasn't socialist. Socialism can't exist without using force against the populace. Government is force, and socialism is where government makes all the economic decisions.

 

[Liability]

I tried to read that once but I didn't understand at the time...maybe time to try it again.

The list of things you don't understand would shut down the interwebs, ya dip shit.

 

[Borillar]

Why don't you argue with Hilter himself about whether he was a socialist:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"

- Adolf Hitler -​

And yet it seems nothing got nationalized except the labor unions and the wealthy industrialists formed the core of the Nazi party, do you think there is a possibility that he was LYING?

Where do you get this crap that wealthy industrialists "formed the core of the Nazi party?" Liberals always say this, but I've never read a single thing that supports it.

Only morons are fooled by the left-wing idiocy that only nationalization of industry qualifies as socialism. Socialism means government control of the economy. How that is accomplished is irrelevant. The communists did it by expropriating private property. The Nazis did it by making all "private" corporations take direction from the government. Under National Socialism, "owners" of productive enterprises became little more than factory managers. The Nazi government made all the important business decisions. The government determined what goods were produced, what price they were sold at, what the workers were paid, and every other decision that corporate executives normally make. A title of ownership to a car means nothing if someone else makes all the decisions about how that car is used. Without control, there is no true ownership.

Lefturds always try to narrow the definition of socialism to the point where almost no government on earth qualifies. Smarter people aren't deluded by such tricks of propaganda.

Rightards always try to define socialism as anything they disagree with. You are right about one thing. Smarter people aren't fooled by propaganda the likes of which Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity are constantly spewing. Hitler and the Nazis were as far right as you can possibly go.