Fake Wisconsin electors admit Biden won and face punishment

[NotfooledbyW]

Former Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro, whose attorney said last week that he was cooperating with investigators, was listed as a witness in the indictment.
Six Fake Pro-Trump Electors Indicted In Nevada

Trump lawyer Cheesebro links trumo to the fake electors insurrection attempt.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Smokin' OP said: you sign a document, attesting you are an elector, and you are NOT, that's a crime. smknvp.23.13.07
#80

Independentthinker said: In other words, you're saying that they did nothing illegal? My, my, how's Trump ever going to be convicted in Georgia if Wisconsin won't even convict them of a crime for the same thing? ndpndnthnkr.23.12.06 #3

For now it’s not a crime but the Wisconsin fake electors are not off the hook just yet from criminal charges. They settled in a civil lawsuit saying they were tricked by Trump’s campaign into committing the fraud. Not

There is no known criminal investigation ongoing in Wisconsin. Democratic Attorney General Josh Kaul has signaled that he is relying on federal investigators to look into what happened in Wisconsin, while also not ruling out a state probe. • ¥ • Democrats brought the lawsuit last year seeking $2.4 million in damages from 10 Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring Trump as the 2020 election winner in Wisconsin. They also sued two of Trump’s attorneys, including one who has already pleaded guilty to other charges stemming from the 2020 election in Georgia. • ¥¥ • The case was scheduled to go to a trial by jury in September 2024, two months before the presidential election. • ¥¥¥ • Under the deal, the fake electors don’t pay any damages or attorneys fees and there is no admission of wrongdoing or liability. • ¥¥¥¥ • The Wisconsin GOP electors have long said that they were partaking in the plan in case a court later ruled that Trump had won the state. One of the fake electors, former Wisconsin state Republican Chairman Andrew Hitt, repeated that position in a statement Wednesday. • ¥5¥ • “The Wisconsin electors were tricked and misled into participating in what became the alternate elector scheme and would have never taken any actions had we known that there were ulterior reasons beyond preserving an ongoing legal strategy,” he said. Hitt said he has been working with the Justice Department since May of 2022 and he will not be supporting Trump in 2024. • ¥6¥ • The fake elector plan hatched in seven battleground states was central to the federal indictment filed against Trump earlier in August that alleged he tried to overturn results of the 2020 election. Federal prosecutors said the scheme originated in Wisconsin. • ¥7¥ • Fake Donald Trump electors settle civil lawsuit in Wisconsin, agree that President Biden won pblshd.23.12.06 abcnews​

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to ndpndnthnkr.23.12.06 #3

 

[bripat9643]

BackAgain

Another win for the good guys.

he he he

You aren't the good guys, douchebag.

 

[bripat9643]

Which leaves you out.

Outch! that hurt!

 

[bripat9643]

Then it was not a weak case?

What’s grest here is that Republicans who suffer the strongman authoritarian wishful thinking delusion of the MAGA cult that Biden committed election fraud to win is that Republicans are the ones connected to the only attempted outcome determinative election fraud regarding the 2020 presidential election.

Outcome Determinative Election Fraud

Independentthinker said: What crimes were they convicted of?

bripat9643 said: Biden did that.

Blaster said: Biden did steal it.

bigrebnc1775 said: Why don't you provide the law that shows fake electors are illegal ••• bigrebnc1775 said: So there is no law No statute number?

whitehall said: What are "fake electors"?

BackAgain said: No ••• BackAgain said:
Zzz ••• BackAgain said: You rub your nose in a lot of your own shit. •••
BackAgain said: ass related ••• BackAgain said: Youre a cretin.

Why this Wisconsin case matters to benefit prosecutors against DJT snd his conspiratorial defendents in the J6 cases was explained last August by yours truly as follows:


Oddball said: He's lying.

NotfooledbyW said: All states certified their elections by December 14, 2020. Trump had until that date to prove in a courtroom that he won a state that was called for Biden. •••• A rational human being will recognize that democracy cannot function if a loser is the one who gets to declare fraud and everything just stops to appease the loser. •••• So five or six weeks may not be much time for a fucking sore assed loser like Trump to prove the fraud he suspects cost him the election; but the Constitution says certify by December 14 (2020 election) and then count the certified results on January 6. •••• Of course there has been weeping and gnashing of teeth in Trump’s Biblical Fantasy Land over no court granting Loser Orange Messiah (LOM) a court ruling to stop seven states from certifying their challenged but verified results. •••• On December 14 the election was over and there became no avenue of redress for Trump to avoid conceding he had lost. •••• Your line of argument Rawley was dead before you brought it up; •••• Electoral College electors are scheduled to meet in states across the country on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December (Dec. 14 this year) to cast their votes. And if a state has finalized its results six days before then, according to the ECA, then those results qualify for "safe harbor" status — meaning Congress must treat them as the "conclusive" results, even if, for example, a state's legislature sends in a competing set of results. nf.23.08.07 #80

Oddball said: Even if the election had been thrown to the HoR, there's no guarantee that Trump wold have won there...We do know that Cheney wouldn't have been an elector for him, leaving just two delegations that may have not done so.

DGS49 said: The actual objective on January 6th was just to put on the brakes for a short time while these allegations and claims could be examined more closely.

NotfooledbyW said: Putting on the brakes was option D as in dumb idea. One of trumps defense lawyers on the Laura Ingraham show already confessed to the world that Trump expressly chose option D with co-conspirators after other options failed because Mike Pence was “too honest”. nf.23.08.07 #80

If you read my post #141 (second from the top) it will explain why trumps conspiracy to a delay the January 6 joint session of Congress proceeding is a violation of the law.

"safe harbor" status — meaning Congress must treat them as the "conclusive” results

Because all sixty of Trumps lawsuits, claiming election fraud were thrown out, and every state, certified the election by the so-called “safe Harbor” deadline Trump had to pursue other legal remedies if he truly believes in the election was stolen from him by outcome determinative fraud.

The law clearly states that Congress must declare every “safe harbor“ slate of electors to be conclusive. Trump, as he stated in his speech on the morning of January 6 very plainly, and he cited his co-conspirators by name, told the mob that his had assembled in DC, that day, that if Pence does the right thing “we win”.

Trump violated federal law, and it was clear the moment that he said if Pence does the right thing “we win” and you are the happiest people. Meaning orange Cult45 people who do not believe in continuation of our lawful democratic republic were to become the happiest people with an unlawful delay

vddbll.23.08.06 #5
nf.23.08.06 #141
vddbll.23.08.06 #5
dgsnn.23.08.07 #20
nf.23.08.07 #80

nf.23.12,07 #63

Non sequitur. Your premise has no connection with your conclusion

 

[OKTexas]

Ummm, that is such an intelligent, insightful, and original racist remark that I am surprised the good poster OKTexas still continues to use it.

Use it despite how it makes his avatar look.

Well, it is America. We are a big tent. And we can accommodate many styles of fringie KKK-QAnon nutsocrazos.

IMHO

Poor little commie, I guess you're too ignorant to not know that commiecrats come in all flavors. So there was no racial content in my post. But hey, it's the commie playbook, when you got no other response, PLAY THE RACE CARD, right???????

.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

There were no "fake electors".

I know

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Poor poster 'bigreb' believes he really has the trump card with his repeated....'gimme a law, gimme a statute'.
OK, he can be who he is.
(But a clue for him: USMB ain't a law library. Why would he think it is? Duh?)

But for the wider universe, let's say.....like the fraudulent electors themselves well, they are pretty sure that the authorities have found some goshdarn law somehow someway that is gonna pinch a bit.

Now at least three states have indicted and arrested about 30 or so fraudulent electors, and it looks like Arizona* is gonna add about 10 more next week.
And what these frauds will be actually charged with, well, that depends on the particulars of each jurisdiction.

In just Michigan the State AG has arrested 16, and charge each of them with:

"Each defendant has been charged with:

• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Forgery, a 14-year felony,
• Two counts of Forgery, a 14-year felony,
• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
• One count of Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony, and,
• Two counts of Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony."

Personally, I don't think those 30+ frauds are thinking that BigReb has created a Get-Outta-Jail card for the multitude of charges they face for their attempts to cheat America of a fair and honest election.



*It's gonna be a fraught day in Arizona this coming Monday, Dec. 10th.... as the now notorious Kenneth Cheseboro, (indicted and plead guilty in Georgia) is flying to Arizona to give testimony on the national scheme for organizing the frauds as electors.
That cannot be good if you are an election EC fraudster there.
IMHO
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Failed
It wasn't illegal in 1876
It wasn't illegal in 1960
And no remedy has been created to prevent it

 

[frigidweirdo]

They didn't steal huge majorities in the Senate and Congress...

So the Democrats are so smart that they can steal a Presidential Election without getting caught but they are smart enought to steal Senate and Congress too..

Also the must have rigged all the polls too, even the Trump internal ones as well..

The only surprise about this whole thing was Jan 6th, the Trump guys were even dumber than I first thought...

Imagine if the fake electors actually managed to somehow stop the election of Biden... What the fuck do you think would happen?

The people saw the result on election night... It was bad enough they had to take the guy who wasn't the people's choice in 2016...
You think they would stand by and let him perform a coup?

I don't think you get it, Trump doesn't have a secret police force...

The Senate election is a difficult one because on 1/3rd vote. Literally every seat stayed the same except Georgia and Colorado went to Democrats and Louisiana went to Republicans.

In 2014 when the same seats were up for grabs, the Republicans won by 3.5 million votes, took Colorado, had Georgia.

In 2020 they won by 1.8 million votes, worse than 2014, and lost Georgia and Colorado.

Literally the map for the Senate election and the map for the same states in the Presidential election were the same.

Democrats won the House elections by 5 million people. Less people voted in the House election than the Presidential, not surprising as the Presidential election was very divisive made the news a lot. However the Democrats won 17 million more votes than in 2018, the Republicans won 22 million more votes than in 2018.

People went out to vote because of the Presidential election and we're not seeing many differences between the votes.

For example in Alabama in the House the Dems got 608,000 votes, for the Presidency they got 849,000 votes. Are you suggesting that the Dems cheated in Alabama? What'd be the point? Trump got about the same amount of votes in Alabama, 25,000 more votes.

In Alaska Biden got less 6,000 votes than the Dems in the House. Trump also got 3,000 less.

In Arizona Biden got 45,000 more votes than the Dems in the House, Trump got about 25,000 more votes.

There doesn't seem to be anything that suggests any cheating going on.

 

[Chillicothe]

CALL:

It wasn't illegal in 1876
It wasn't illegal in 1960

It wasn't illegal in 1876
It wasn't illegal in 1960.

RESPONSE:

• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Forgery, a 14-year felony,

• Two counts of Forgery, a 14-year felony,
• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
• One count of Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony, and,
• Two counts of Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony.

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Well, I'll be gobsmacked!!
I did not know that forgery was not a crime in 1960, or for that matter, in 1876.

Nor did I know that conspiracy to commit forgery was not a crime either.

It's one of the reasons I come to USMB. To learn stuff from insightful, informed folks who come to issues with an engaged and educated mind.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

CALL:



RESPONSE:

• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Forgery, a 14-year felony,
• Two counts of Forgery, a 14-year felony,
• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
• One count of Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony, and,
• Two counts of Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony.

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Well, I'll be gobsmacked!!
I did not know that forgery was not a crime in 1960, or for that matter, in 1876.

Nor did I know that conspiracy to commit forgery was not a crime either.

It's one of the reasons I come to USMB. To learn stuff from insightful, informed folks who come to issues with an engaged and educated mind.

Same thing again
It wasn't illegal in 1876
It wasn't illegal in 1960
And no remedy has been created to prevent it.

 

[Chillicothe]

CALL: "......folks who come to issues with an engaged and educated mind."

RESPONSE: "Same thing again. It wasn't illegal in 1876
It wasn't illegal in 1960"

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