Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

[orogenicman]

I'd like to ask your gawds about that little dalliance they orchestrated that caused most of humanity to be wiped from the planet.
You're anthropomorphizing nature the same way you anthropomorphize you polytheistic gawds.

There is no argument to be made for the universe to have a reason for existence. That would imply intent. So yes, it is reasonable and rational to reject the idea that life and the universe are products of some underlying reason.

There is no reason to assume we won't find out more and more about the universe as time goes on. This is a very rational and empirical approach given the history of the growth of human knowledge. And, as we know, no discovery in the history of humanity has had a supernatural / magical causation.

Laws of physics don't "break down" per se, although it is a commonly used term even in the scientific community. They just describe different things. An effort has long been underway to come up with a Grand Unified Theory, or GUT. One theory that would explain everything. Although this has more to do with the four prime forces: Gravity, Electromagnetism, Strong Nuclear force, and Weak Nuclear force. So far 2 have been successfully combined, electromagnetism, and the weak nuclear force has been combined into the "Electro-Weak" force. If the supernatural does exist there is no way to ultimately define it within natural law. But, the fact that Newtonian mechanics break down on the quantum level does not mean that quantum phenomena do not exist. Within the total realm of physics we had to understand a new branch to explain phenomena which fall under the principles of relativity.

Religious zealots hijack this idea with sidestepping and denial. Empirically there is no reason to assume an asserted irrational / supernatural being will somehow be discovered by any rational means, and until such time as the idea of supermagical revelation or asserted "psychic methods" are shown conclusive (or is in any way demonstrated), this is what the zealots must contend with.

1) God set the rules. He offered blessings if those rules were followed but He promised punishment if the rules were broken. Mankind at the time of Noah chose to ignore God and follow their own lusts. God simply kept His promise.

2) I see you have no answer to my question. The answer should be simple. There's either reason for the Universe or there isn't. If there is then by Whose reasoning does be totally unreasonable for you to expect others to produce reasons for their beliefs. In other words (using your logic) reason is the product of chance and happenstance. That's totally unreasonable.

What gawds set what rules? The Noah fable is of myth and legend. Why would you expect any reasonable person without a similar pre-commitment to fundamentalist Christian dogma to accept it as true?

I see the entirety of your argument is premised upon ".... because I say so".

Yet another rehashing of your Noah crap? Not again!

Actually, it's your myth. I challenge the veracity of the fable and try to make sense of how the fable is consistent with the historical and geological record. It isn't.

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

 

[the_human_being]

Yes. I don't cotton to your tornado thesis.

That's fine. Your only responses thus far have been pointless quips devoid of anything useful.

Yes. I am tiring of hearing the word "gawds" for the millionth time.

You'll read it and like it.

gawds.

I thought you'd have had your bottom spanked by M.D. Rawlings and the other guy enough by now. You must like abuse.

You're pursuing a sound strategy of avoiding any defense of your specious claims by spamming the thread with irrelevant piffle.

Why not address the assumed hierarchy of designers of, designers of, etc., designer gawds who designed your designer gawds. Or, instruct us as to your polytheistic three gawds. Was it a unionized syndicate of gawds who designed your three designer gawds?

GAWD!!! It's time for your shock treatment.

 

[the_human_being]

1) God set the rules. He offered blessings if those rules were followed but He promised punishment if the rules were broken. Mankind at the time of Noah chose to ignore God and follow their own lusts. God simply kept His promise.

2) I see you have no answer to my question. The answer should be simple. There's either reason for the Universe or there isn't. If there is then by Whose reasoning does be totally unreasonable for you to expect others to produce reasons for their beliefs. In other words (using your logic) reason is the product of chance and happenstance. That's totally unreasonable.

What gawds set what rules? The Noah fable is of myth and legend. Why would you expect any reasonable person without a similar pre-commitment to fundamentalist Christian dogma to accept it as true?

I see the entirety of your argument is premised upon ".... because I say so".

Yet another rehashing of your Noah crap? Not again!

Actually, it's your myth. I challenge the veracity of the fable and try to make sense of how the fable is consistent with the historical and geological record. It isn't.

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

 

[the_human_being]

I know. I'll simply have to back myself down to the sixth grade level to communicate with you.

That would be a step up for you.

You skip elementary school today because of snow?

I'm an adult with a 4wd vehicle. Snow doesn't bother me, plus I live where it doesn't snow much. Next.

Sure had me fooled. I figured you for about ten years old.

Obviously, you are easily fooled.

But not by you. I had you pegged the minute you signed in.

 

[orogenicman]

What gawds set what rules? The Noah fable is of myth and legend. Why would you expect any reasonable person without a similar pre-commitment to fundamentalist Christian dogma to accept it as true?

I see the entirety of your argument is premised upon ".... because I say so".

Yet another rehashing of your Noah crap? Not again!

Actually, it's your myth. I challenge the veracity of the fable and try to make sense of how the fable is consistent with the historical and geological record. It isn't.

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

Dude, this is not make up shit Thursday. Try again.

 

[orogenicman]

That would be a step up for you.

You skip elementary school today because of snow?

I'm an adult with a 4wd vehicle. Snow doesn't bother me, plus I live where it doesn't snow much. Next.

Sure had me fooled. I figured you for about ten years old.

Obviously, you are easily fooled.

But not by you. I had you pegged the minute you signed in.

I seriously doubt that. Nice try, though.

 

[the_human_being]

You skip elementary school today because of snow?

I'm an adult with a 4wd vehicle. Snow doesn't bother me, plus I live where it doesn't snow much. Next.

Sure had me fooled. I figured you for about ten years old.

Obviously, you are easily fooled.

But not by you. I had you pegged the minute you signed in.

I seriously doubt that. Nice try, though.

I will admit that you're most probably too stupid to realize when you've been had.

 

[the_human_being]

Yet another rehashing of your Noah crap? Not again!

Actually, it's your myth. I challenge the veracity of the fable and try to make sense of how the fable is consistent with the historical and geological record. It isn't.

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

Dude, this is not make up shit Thursday. Try again.

I didn't make that up. Hollie came up with it.

 

[orogenicman]

Actually, it's your myth. I challenge the veracity of the fable and try to make sense of how the fable is consistent with the historical and geological record. It isn't.

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

Dude, this is not make up shit Thursday. Try again.

I didn't make that up. Hollie came up with it.

And that has what, exactly, to do with me?

 

[orogenicman]

I'm an adult with a 4wd vehicle. Snow doesn't bother me, plus I live where it doesn't snow much. Next.

Sure had me fooled. I figured you for about ten years old.

Obviously, you are easily fooled.

But not by you. I had you pegged the minute you signed in.

I seriously doubt that. Nice try, though.

I will admit that you're most probably too stupid to realize when you've been had.

I admit that you don't know anything about me. I know a lot about you, though:

 

[Hollie]

What gawds set what rules? The Noah fable is of myth and legend. Why would you expect any reasonable person without a similar pre-commitment to fundamentalist Christian dogma to accept it as true?

I see the entirety of your argument is premised upon ".... because I say so".

Yet another rehashing of your Noah crap? Not again!

Actually, it's your myth. I challenge the veracity of the fable and try to make sense of how the fable is consistent with the historical and geological record. It isn't.

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

There's no such thing.

Actually, it's your myth. I challenge the veracity of the fable and try to make sense of how the fable is consistent with the historical and geological record. It isn't.

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

Dude, this is not make up shit Thursday. Try again.

I didn't make that up. Hollie came up with it.

Came up with what? Are you living in some alternate reality or just eternally confused about those voices you hear.

 

[the_human_being]

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

Dude, this is not make up shit Thursday. Try again.

I didn't make that up. Hollie came up with it.

And that has what, exactly, to do with me?

The same to do with you as your stating that I and the OP and all Christians were alike. I simply gave you the same treatment you rendered unto me.

 

[the_human_being]

Sure had me fooled. I figured you for about ten years old.

Obviously, you are easily fooled.

But not by you. I had you pegged the minute you signed in.

I seriously doubt that. Nice try, though.

I will admit that you're most probably too stupid to realize when you've been had.

I admit that you don't know anything about me. I know a lot about you, though:

Good. Try to be like me and better yourself.

 

[the_human_being]

Yet another rehashing of your Noah crap? Not again!

Actually, it's your myth. I challenge the veracity of the fable and try to make sense of how the fable is consistent with the historical and geological record. It isn't.

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

There's no such thing.

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

Dude, this is not make up shit Thursday. Try again.

I didn't make that up. Hollie came up with it.

Came up with what? Are you living in some alternate reality or just eternally confused about those voices you hear.

Go back and read your own posts Hollie. You really do need to have the nurse administer your shock treatment now.

 

[Hollie]

Actually, it's your myth. I challenge the veracity of the fable and try to make sense of how the fable is consistent with the historical and geological record. It isn't.

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

There's no such thing.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

Dude, this is not make up shit Thursday. Try again.

I didn't make that up. Hollie came up with it.

Came up with what? Are you living in some alternate reality or just eternally confused about those voices you hear.

Go back and read your own posts Hollie. You really do need to have the nurse administer your shock treatment now.

It's those voices you're hearing. They tell you to do things, right?

 

[the_human_being]

Then you have arrived at your answer. Why question it further if you already know the answer? You make no sense.

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

There's no such thing.

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

Dude, this is not make up shit Thursday. Try again.

I didn't make that up. Hollie came up with it.

Came up with what? Are you living in some alternate reality or just eternally confused about those voices you hear.

Go back and read your own posts Hollie. You really do need to have the nurse administer your shock treatment now.

It's those voices you're hearing. They tell you to do things, right?

I was a victim of Hollie's Theory of Tornado Evolution. Hollie is a victim of the Theory of Chaos and Regressive Evolution.

 

[Hollie]

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

There's no such thing.

Dude, this is not make up shit Thursday. Try again.

I didn't make that up. Hollie came up with it.

Came up with what? Are you living in some alternate reality or just eternally confused about those voices you hear.

Go back and read your own posts Hollie. You really do need to have the nurse administer your shock treatment now.

It's those voices you're hearing. They tell you to do things, right?

I was a victim of Hollie's Theory of Tornado Evolution. Hollie is a victim of the Theory of Chaos and Regressive Evolution.

Has it really gotten that bad for you? You're now reduced to lies and falsehoods?

You're certainly a victim - of your own incompetence.

 

[SmedlyButler]

There is no argument to be made for the universe to have a reason for existence. That would imply intent. So yes, it is reasonable and rational to reject the idea that life and the universe are products of some underlying reason.

So blind nature had no intent or reason for a pancreas appearing when the animal that preceded it had none? It was just another quirky anomaly and a crazy coincidence this organ had a valuable purpose?

Nature is awesome. Especially when one considers there are trillions of evolutionary changes necessary for primitive species to evolve into much more advanced species. And with all of the millions of fossils science has found and identified, you would think we would have found thousands or tens of thousands of “failed experiments.” But does not seem to be the case at all.

And we might also find tens of thousands of transitional fossils between the more primitive species and the more advanced one? For example, if birds came from reptiles I would like to see hundreds of half winged creature fossils, not just that same old one that looks like the road runner (archeo...) they keep having to reproduce for all their text books.

By definition "failed experiments" do not survive to leave a fossil record. You're argument brings to mind the old "crocoduck" symbol used by atheists to ridicule creationists who are completely ignorant of the evolutionary process.

Most of us atheists have read enough creationist thought to be able to discuss the topic on at least a rudimentary level, if you're going to discuss evolution you owe it to yourself (and us) to learn at least it's basic principles. From your post it appears you're starting off from zero knowledge. And worse, the knowledge you think you have is wrong.

 

[orogenicman]

She isn't questioning it. She is questioning you. Why do you believe in such nonsense?

Why not? You believe in tornado evolution.

Dude, this is not make up shit Thursday. Try again.

I didn't make that up. Hollie came up with it.

And that has what, exactly, to do with me?

The same to do with you as your stating that I and the OP and all Christians were alike. I simply gave you the same treatment you rendered unto me.

Except that I never made such a statement. You are hallucinating, dude.

 

[the_human_being]

There is no argument to be made for the universe to have a reason for existence. That would imply intent. So yes, it is reasonable and rational to reject the idea that life and the universe are products of some underlying reason.

So blind nature had no intent or reason for a pancreas appearing when the animal that preceded it had none? It was just another quirky anomaly and a crazy coincidence this organ had a valuable purpose?

Nature is awesome. Especially when one considers there are trillions of evolutionary changes necessary for primitive species to evolve into much more advanced species. And with all of the millions of fossils science has found and identified, you would think we would have found thousands or tens of thousands of “failed experiments.” But does not seem to be the case at all.

And we might also find tens of thousands of transitional fossils between the more primitive species and the more advanced one? For example, if birds came from reptiles I would like to see hundreds of half winged creature fossils, not just that same old one that looks like the road runner (archeo...) they keep having to reproduce for all their text books.

By definition "failed experiments" do not survive to leave a fossil record. You're argument brings to mind the old "crocoduck" symbol used by atheists to ridicule creationists who are completely ignorant of the evolutionary process.

Most of us atheists have read enough creationist thought to be able to discuss the topic on at least a rudimentary level, if you're going to discuss evolution you owe it to yourself (and us) to learn at least it's basic principles. From your post it appears you're starting off from zero knowledge. And worse, the knowledge you think you have is wrong.

Look out! Here comes yet another self-proclaimed genius wanting desperately to showcase his intelligence and stroke his inflated ego. They're coming out from under the rocks.