faith-based support groups for men addicted to pornography

[Hobbit]

No... Those going over the speed limit are not impeding traffic.. Those going too far under, in the wrong lane, are.. Therefore, a few paintballs to the back window of their car should be sufficient enough to get them to speed up, or get the hell off the road.

Intentionally inflicting lifelong harm, or death itself on another individual is worthy of death in return.

Speeding kills just as much as going lower than the speed limit. It greatly increases stopping distance and reduces control. It also increases the chance of fatality if a wreck does occur. People going far slower than prevailing traffic are dangerous, but no more so than those going much faster.

 

[Shattered]

Speeding kills just as much as going lower than the speed limit. It greatly increases stopping distance and reduces control. It also increases the chance of fatality if a wreck does occur. People going far slower than prevailing traffic are dangerous, but no more so than those going much faster.

 

[Hobbit]

Geez, just take driver's ed. I'd give you a link, but they all charge money. Anyone who sits through the first 10 minutes of any defensive driving or driver's ed course hears all of these statistics. I wasn't convinced in driver's ed, but the guy who taught defensive driving (got a ticket nullified) was a retired traffic cop, and he'd seen it all first hand.

 

[Shattered]

Geez, just take driver's ed. I'd give you a link, but they all charge money. Anyone who sits through the first 10 minutes of any defensive driving or driver's ed course hears all of these statistics. I wasn't convinced in driver's ed, but the guy who taught defensive driving (got a ticket nullified) was a retired traffic cop, and he'd seen it all first hand.

Ah yes.. The old "know someone who knows someone" round of <i>proof</i>. You sure know a lot of people with little to no information. How old did you say you were?

 

[Powerman]

I'd give you a link, but they all charge money.

That is a complete load of crap. You can find just about anything on the internet for free with a few minutes of searching. From what I have seen in my short time here is that you just claim things to be true without ever providing anything to back it up. You always know someone(in this case the traffic cop) that is your source. In case you have a short memory let me remind you. Your made up PHD friend who gives you scientific sources and the 5 rapists that you allegedly talked to. Why are your links always just some guy you talked to? Sounds like bullshit to me.

 

[Shattered]

By the way, when you get tickets for driving to slow, and have to attend such courses as those you've mentioned, they reverse the situations, and put the blame on the other party.. (One of my employees was actually repeatedly ticketed for driving too slow).

 

[Hobbit]

Ah yes.. The old "know someone who knows someone" round of <i>proof</i>. You sure know a lot of people with little to no information. How old did you say you were?

Like I said, just look at a defensive driving course booklet. I think they're free at the DMV, but all internet sources want to charge me 15 bucks minimum for it. The cop's a secondary source, and I don't like what you're insinuating. You've all but called me a liar.

Anyway, I've found a link for you. I had to sift through 4 pages of defensive driving courses and driving statistics from New Zealand to find it, but here it is, an official DOT statistics set that says only alcohol contributes to more crashes and more fatal crashes than speed.

http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/speed_manage/facts.htm

 

[Hobbit]

By the way, when you get tickets for driving to slow, and have to attend such courses as those you've mentioned, they reverse the situations, and put the blame on the other party.. (One of my employees was actually repeatedly ticketed for driving too slow).

Right, the government doctors statistics in order to scare you into obeying a law that apparently only serves the purpose getting ticket money off those who disobey it? To what end? There's never such complicated means without a meaningful end.

 

[Shattered]

Right, the government doctors statistics in order to scare you into obeying a law that apparently only serves the purpose getting ticket money off those who disobey it? To what end? There's never such complicated means without a meaningful end.

You'll want to go here, where speeding has been discussed at great length:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22725&page=1&pp=15

THIS thread is for porn, and rape.

 

[Gabriella84]

Hobbit dear, let's get back on the original subject. Which is porn and sex.
I have a question for you: How can someone who has never had sex profess to know what causes sexual urges?
Like I said before, many rapists are disgusted by women. The Green River rapist thought women were evil and dirty.
Rapists see sex as a method of degradation. That is why there is often violence involved.
When you masturbate, you do so with the intention of releasing sexual tension through orgasm. Rape is not about releasing sexual tension. It is about violating someone. It is about causing extreme mental and physical anguish.
Many rapists have been married, or in relationships. They are good husbands and father. But they are also sick ones.

 

[dilloduck]

You'll want to go here, where speeding has been discussed at great length:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22725&page=1&pp=15

THIS thread is for porn, and rape.

and punishment

 

[Hobbit]

You'll want to go here, where speeding has been discussed at great length:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22725&page=1&pp=15

THIS thread is for porn, and rape.

So when you said, and I quote:

You didn't mean it? I've answered your request on the thread in which it was posted, and while the thread has been a bit derailed, I seem to remember you attempting to refute dillo when he made a little stab. I really hate to sound accusatory, but it seems that you were fine to completely derail the thread until I provided raw facts that direcly contradicted you. Please tell me I'm wrong, but that's what I see.

Anyway, let's get back on point. Porn is addictive, and statistics indicate it's a contributing factor to promiscuity, rape, and sexual confidence problems. If porn addiction was more widely recognized, these problems would most likely decline by at least some amount. Institutions that treat this addiction are beneficial to the reformee and all who know him/her. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Gabriella84]

Hobbit, it is nice to have an opinion. But those of us who intend to make a living confronting the subject know otherwise.
But don't worry. If I ever want to know how to properly wear a Hog Hat, I promise to ask you.

 

[Annie]

Hobbit, it is nice to have an opinion. But those of us who intend to make a living confronting the subject know otherwise.
But don't worry. If I ever want to know how to properly wear a Hog Hat, I promise to ask you.

Hobbit, no matter his decisions to await adult decisions, is much more adult than you. How dare you condescend to him? Bitc*.

To clarify, Hobbit tried to answer in a responsible manner, I take issue with Gabby.

 

[dilloduck]

Since rape has different connotations and degrees, I would imagine hormones, hate, and power all come into play when discussing the subject. Maybe a lot of people all looking at the same elephant from different perspectives and with different definitions?

 

[Powerman]

That's possible dillo but I fail to see how porn contributes to rape. By hobbit's logic porn should reduce rape. If you need to release sexual tension then you could just jerk off to porn. It works for me.

 

[Hobbit]

Since rape has different connotations and degrees, I would imagine hormones, hate, and power all come into play when discussing the subject. Maybe a lot of people all looking at the same elephant from different perspectives and with different definitions?

Well said. I can agree to that.

Hobbit, no matter his decisions to await adult decisions, is much more adult than you. How dare you condescend to him? Bitc*

I feel so loved.

Eh, wasn't too offended by it, though. I guess, being a conservative on a college campus, I'm used to condescension. I just take solice in the fact that in 20 years, half of them will be thinking, "Ya know, he was right."

But don't worry. If I ever want to know how to properly wear a Hog Hat, I promise to ask you.

Snout forward, and always remember how to properly call the hogs. It's three 'woo, pig sooies' followed by one 'Razorbacks.' Physcial movements would require more space than I'm willing to fill up.

On a final note, one doesn't have to have sex to understand sexual urges. I'm a guy, which mean I have a strong sexual urge about every 1-30 minutes. The rest of that post is an argument I have bowed out of, and I'm sticking by it this time.

 

[Annie]

Well said. I can agree to that.



I feel so loved.

Eh, wasn't too offended by it, though. I guess, being a conservative on a college campus, I'm used to condescension. I just take solice in the fact that in 20 years, half of them will be thinking, "Ya know, he was right."



Snout forward, and always remember how to properly call the hogs. It's three 'woo, pig sooies' followed by one 'Razorbacks.' Physcial movements would require more space than I'm willing to fill up.

On a final note, one doesn't have to have sex to understand sexual urges. I'm a guy, which mean I have a strong sexual urge about every 1-30 minutes. The rest of that post is an argument I have bowed out of, and I'm sticking by it this time.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: I hope my kids end up as grounded as you!

 

[Shattered]

You didn't mean it? I've answered your request on the thread in which it was posted, and while the thread has been a bit derailed, I seem to remember you attempting to refute dillo when he made a little stab. I really hate to sound accusatory, but it seems that you were fine to completely derail the thread until I provided raw facts that direcly contradicted you. Please tell me I'm wrong, but that's what I see.

No. I meant it. I figured if we move it where it belongs, and you can post your link there, I have time to see why my computer isn't opening it. You see an awful lot of things that you think are fact, which are actually incorrect. MOST accidents are caused by inattentive driving - not speeding. The most common line is "Oh, I didn't see him/it/her." Music too loud.. eating.. talking on the phone.. gabbing with friends..

Anyway, let's get back on point. Porn is addictive, and statistics indicate it's a contributing factor to promiscuity, rape, and sexual confidence problems. If porn addiction was more widely recognized, these problems would most likely decline by at least some amount. Institutions that treat this addiction are beneficial to the reformee and all who know him/her. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

I don't think that anyone denied that porn *can* be a contributing factor to anything you listed.. What's being argued is your lack of ability to admit that rape is about ultimate control over another humban being.. You stated earlier that most rapes are inflicted by someone the victim knows.. I asked you why you thought that is, and you haven't responded.. It's because once denied (dinner, dancing, dating, anything) the agressor is no longer in control, and that's just not acceptable to them. Rape allows them to take back the control they feel they've lost by making the victim "theirs" whether they want to be or not.

 

[elephant]

It seems that elephant, like many people I've met, can only defeat me in an argument by refuting points I don't actually make.

1) Please read your own signature file:
" Video games don't make kids violent."
Porn does not make rapists or pedophiles.

2) I am not trying to DEFEAT you. What is this debate club? You simply cannot make a decent argument so you quit and claim I not debating on point.