F35 - superfighter or lame duck?

[Manonthestreet]

See ya still have nothing but your uninformed bs....yeah all my links, how many now....20-30...... all from questionable sources...... Lllmmmaaaoooo

 

[SteadyMercury]

Its not, if its not all aspect its worthless.

Well since earlier you were caught in a blatant lie saying F-35 wasn't stealthy, I'm sure you'll understand if we dismiss the latest claim about aspects of F-35 stealth as more bilge like everything else you post.

While F-35 is optimized for frontal aspect it still uses the sawtooth edges, inclined surfaces, and radar absorbing materials to provide LO characteristics in all aspects.

Still waiting on ManOnTheStreet to explain the measure of the IR signature of the F-35
Still waiting on whether we believe or disbelieve General Hostage
Still waiting for ManOnTheStreet's official source on F-35 service ceiling
Still waiting on ManOnTheStreet explaining about all the air combat that takes place at 65k feet

No, the forum does not expect ManOnTheStreet to respond, he cannot and we know it.

 

[SteadyMercury]

yeah all my links, how many now....20-30...... all from questionable sources...... Lllmmmaaaoooo

And this explains your pretty well. You don't really understand any of this, yet you believe volume pasting links to shit you know nothing about amounts to a good argument, even though you clearly can't support your position when asked over and over to do so.

Here is an example of your spam bilge links work:

Manonthestreet from his link spam:
"He has also been quoted as saying that an F-35 pilot who engages in a dogfight has made a mistake. Further from General Hostage"

It is pointed out that is taken out of context, the full quote being:
"But Hostage says, as do other senior Air Force and Marine officers, that an F-35 pilot who engages in a dogfight has probably made a mistake or has already broken through those IADS lanes and is facing a second wave of enemy aircraft. The F-35, he says, has “at least” the maneuverability and thrust and weight of the F-16. The F-35 is to the F-22 as the F-16 is to the F-15. The latter aircraft are the kings of air to air combat. The F-35 and the F-16 are the mainstay of the air fleet, designed for both air-to-air and air-to-ground attacks."

and what is Manonthestreet's response when shown the full quote?

Talk about stupid, second wave ....first wave will splash its ass because of its altitude disadvantage

He turns on his own source, what was once his ammunition is now dismissed as "stupid"

Same source he used (General Hostage) also pointed out:
"The F-35’s cross section is much smaller than the F-22’s, but that does not mean, Hostage concedes, that the F-35 is necessarily superior to the F-22 when we go to war."

Manonthestreet's own linkspam source disagrees with his lies that the F-35 isn't stealthy.

And that is why volume of links, from sources as ridiculous as "Business Insider" do not prove a point, being able to understand and argue the subject matter does. Speaking of which:

Still waiting on ManOnTheStreet to explain the measure of the IR signature of the F-35
Still waiting on whether we believe or disbelieve General Hostage
Still waiting for ManOnTheStreet's official source on F-35 service ceiling
Still waiting on ManOnTheStreet explaining about all the air combat that takes place at 65k feet

No, the forum does not expect ManOnTheStreet to respond, he cannot and we know it.

 

[SteadyMercury]

In fact, F-35s IR stealth can be summed up in one word: nonexistant.

Checking in... since you've made this claim you've been asked to explain how the F-35s IR signature has been measured and how it compares to 4th gen fights dozens of times over at least three months.

We all know you have no idea how the IR compares, but since you continue to make claims you can't back up I'll keep asking just to watch you ignore and look like a fool.

3 months of asking Manonthestreet to man up and support his arguments, and counting...

 

[HenryBHough]

India spent a lot of time, maybe too much time, weighing the pros and cons of not just the F-35 but a host of other possibilities.

Now they've decided:

India Agrees to Fighter-Jet Deal With Dassault Aviation - WSJ

 

[Manonthestreet]

PARIS --- US Air Force plans to replace the F-35 fighter’s avionics, radar and engines are an implicit admission that the current aircraft is already obsolete and that, despite a unit cost of over $250 million, it cannot match the latest foreign fighters coming into service. USAF Plans for Radical F-35 Upgrade Reveal Obsolescence

 

[SteadyMercury]

Heh heh another utterly retarded opinion piece the exact words of General Harrigan, from here:
U.S. Air Force eyes future F-35 engine and arms upgrades Reuters

He said the Air Force was already looking at follow-on capabilities for the F-35, given rapid technology development by potential adversaries, and ensuring that the infrastructure was in place to allow such upgrades. "We are already considering and thinking through what are some of the technologies that will be part of the F-35," Harrigian said. "This is not the time to rest on your laurels."

Harrigian gave few details but said potential upgrades could include new avionics systems, radar, laser weapons and a new more fuel-efficient engine. "I don't think we would take anything off the table at this point," he said.

Clearly your hit piece was taking his comments out of context, and suckers like you gulp it up. Omigosh the plane is obsolete because they didn't put lasers on it yet!

 

[SteadyMercury]

Latest on costs for F-35A:

F-35 Costs Stabilize Army Program Breaches

But perhaps the best news for the Pentagon overall is the $7.7 billion cost reduction for the F-35 joint strike fighter.

The F-35 is set to be the backbone of American air power for the foreseeable future, but has a well-earned reputation as a budget hog. Program officials and industry executives have said they are focused on bringing costs down, and Pentagon auditors seem to agree, citing work by prime and subcontractors to drive down those price tags.

The current average F-35A price is $108 million — with the engine — which is $4 million lower than previous estimates.

 

[Manonthestreet]

For the money alrdy spent for which you dont have 1 combat rdy plane, you could have totally replaced your SSBN fleet even at the high estimate of 8 billion per copy and have over 200 billion left over.

 

[Manonthestreet]

In the end, the USS America is another victim of the F-35's high risk concurrency procurement strategy, and quite honestly, it may be the biggest example of the whole debacle in both size and cost. Logic would dictate that developing key enabling technologies early on and waiting to test those technologies along with the new fighter aircraft they work with would be essential before putting any of them into production, let alone a $7 billion aircraft carrier.
Instead we're busy playing a very expensive catch-up game in reverse, to the point of building entire capital ships that cannot even exchange data with let alone operate the very fighter aircraft they were specifically designed for!

Maybe the saddest part of all of this is that the Navy named the F-35B's tailor-made ship the USS America. Then again, considering how seemingly mismanaged our country has become, this may actually be a fairly accurate title. Navy Builds Ship For F-35 Ship Needs Months Of Upgrades To Handle F-35

 

[Daryl Hunt]

In the end, the USS America is another victim of the F-35's high risk concurrency procurement strategy, and quite honestly, it may be the biggest example of the whole debacle in both size and cost. Logic would dictate that developing key enabling technologies early on and waiting to test those technologies along with the new fighter aircraft they work with would be essential before putting any of them into production, let alone a $7 billion aircraft carrier.
Instead we're busy playing a very expensive catch-up game in reverse, to the point of building entire capital ships that cannot even exchange data with let alone operate the very fighter aircraft they were specifically designed for!

Maybe the saddest part of all of this is that the Navy named the F-35B's tailor-made ship the USS America. Then again, considering how seemingly mismanaged our country has become, this may actually be a fairly accurate title. Navy Builds Ship For F-35 Ship Needs Months Of Upgrades To Handle F-35

The problem is the deck. The F-35B would weaken the normal deck so they use a hot temp deck where it will be taking off in VTOL mode. Where it operates as a STOL it can use a normal deck. Plus, the carrier must be able to network with the fighters it launches. The F-35B doesn't replace the F-18 or any other conventional fighter including the A-10. It does replace the Harrier which is nearing the time it starts falling out of the sky due to age and the fact new parts are no longer made. The Marines had to buy the Brits Harriers just for parts.

 

[Manonthestreet]

They are going to have to retro all you small carriers or just convert them to drone and choppers.. Cost for this program is going to sink the navy by itself

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Not doing it will severely give China the advantage. We can't afford NOT to do the upgrades.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Will we be able to afford anything else is the question.......doesnt work read the thread.......

 

[HenryBHough]

Is it possible that Iran infiltrated a couple of engineers into the program to twist the design in such a way that retrofits and repairs will bankrupt America in a style even the leftmost of liberals could not imagine?

 

[Manonthestreet]

They've had weapons programs like this before that tried to do too much and consequently did nothing well...... difference was they were cancelled instead of maintained.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Will we be able to afford anything else is the question.......doesnt work read the thread.......

I did but you didn't. We need stealthy birds as well as Gen 4 birds on Navy Ships. If it takes upgrades to accomplish this, we can't afford not to do it. Otherwise, there are going to be ships going off like flash bulbs. Just how many dead Marines and Sailors will be enough to satisfy your blood lust.

 

[Manonthestreet]

F-35 Engines From United Technologies Called Unreliable F-35 Engines From United Technologies Called Unreliable - Bloomberg Business

 

[Manonthestreet]

Will we be able to afford anything else is the question.......doesnt work read the thread.......

I did but you didn't. We need stealthy birds as well as Gen 4 birds on Navy Ships. If it takes upgrades to accomplish this, we can't afford not to do it. Otherwise, there are going to be ships going off like flash bulbs. Just how many dead Marines and Sailors will be enough to satisfy your blood lust.

See dumbass thats what I'm trying to highlite....if it doesnt work......its dead.......along with everything it was supposed to "protect".........F-35 doesnt work

 

[Daryl Hunt]

F-35 Engines From United Technologies Called Unreliable F-35 Engines From United Technologies Called Unreliable - Bloomberg Business

Geez, they are using at least 2 year old information.
Every one of these have been address and fixed. The F-35B goes into service later on this year, the F-35C goes into service early next year and the F-35A goes into service any day now. No, they won't have guns until early 2017 but if you are that close, you ain't flyin' yer Bird like it should. Even the F-22 has trouble handling the light fighters up close. That's why we keep the F-16 and F-18s around. And the F-15 is still the NUMBER ONE dogfighter or Air Interdiction there is.

The idea is to use your passive avionics and fire while you are still outside the enemies detection. And both the F-35 and the F-22 uses that as it's bread and butter. The bird that fires the missiles don't need radar lock. They can get that from Ground Control or a EC-135 which has much longer and stronger radar.

You just can't stand it that the F-35 is very close into going into service and there is nothing you can do about it except fight the trimming of other areas that needs to be done anyway to pay for them.