Exxon Oil Leak...GOP wants top cut EPA?

[JimH52]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

 

[westwall]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

 

[rdean]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

That's ridiculous. You guys believe any old bullshit. Every right wing talking point becomes more and more outlandish.

 

[code1211]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

That's ridiculous. You guys believe any old bullshit. Every right wing talking point becomes more and more outlandish.

If the EPA is effective and competent, how did the oil spill happen?

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

That's ridiculous. You guys believe any old bullshit. Every right wing talking point becomes more and more outlandish.

You dont ?

 

[code1211]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

Actually, the reason that the USA oil companies were involved in deep water drilling is that government experts told them they could drill there because if a spill occurred, there was absolutely no chance that the oil would ever reach shore.

Government experts must be comprised of a pretty interesting group of people. They have absolute knowledge before the fact and no responsibility after the screw up.

Pretty good gig and the benefits are great.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Wish we could get an idea of what Obama thinks, but he wont say, and did not want to vote on it before he was president.

06/10/2008 Increasing Taxes on Profits, Rescinding Certain Tax Deductions, and Increasing Tax Incentives for Alternative Energy Programs for Oil Companies
S 3044 NV Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(51 - 43)

Project Vote Smart - President Barack H. Obama, Jr. - Voting Record

 

[Momanohedhunter]

And here are all of his votes on environmental issues. he must not really care as he only voted twice.

Environmental Issues
(Back to top)
Date Bill Title Vote Outcome
09/27/2008 Continuing Appropriations
HR 2638 NV Concurrence Vote Passed - Senate
(78 - 12)
06/18/2008 Second Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill)
HR 6124 NV Veto Override Passed - Senate
(80 - 14)
06/17/2008 Alternative Energy Tax Incentives
HR 6049 NV Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(52 - 44)
06/10/2008 Increasing Taxes on Profits, Rescinding Certain Tax Deductions, and Increasing Tax Incentives for Alternative Energy Programs for Oil Companies
S 3044 NV Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(51 - 43)
06/06/2008 Carbon Emissions Cap and Trade Plan
S Amdt 4825 NV Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(48 - 36)
05/22/2008 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill)
HR 2419 NV Veto Override Passed - Senate
(82 - 13)
05/15/2008 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill)
HR 2419 NV Conference Report Adopted - Senate
(81 - 15)
04/10/2008 Housing Bill with Energy Tax Credit Extensions
HR 3221 NV Bill Passed - Senate
(84 - 12)
04/10/2008 Energy Tax Credits Amendment
S Amdt 4419 to S Amdt 4387 to HR 3221 NV Amendment Adopted - Senate
(88 - 8)
03/13/2008 Amendment on Certain Energy-Related Programs, Including the Development of Oil Shale and Offshore Natural Gas
S Amdt 4207 to S Con Res 70 N Amendment Rejected - Senate
(47 - 51)
03/13/2008 Amendment on Certain Energy-Related Programs, Including the Development of Oil and Natural Gas in Coastal Areas Not Covered by a Moratorium
S Amdt 4329 to S Con Res 70 Y Amendment Adopted - Senate
(56 - 43)
12/18/2007 Inclusion of Consolidated Appropriations
HR 2764 NV Concurrence Vote Passed - Senate
(76 - 17)
12/14/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill)
HR 2419 NV Bill Passed - Senate
(79 - 14)
12/13/2007 Energy Act of 2007
HR 6 NV Concurrence Vote Passed - Senate
(86 - 8)
12/11/2007 Government Sponsored Farm Insurance Policies
S Amdt 3711 NV Amendment Rejected - Senate
(37 - 58)
11/08/2007 Water Resources Development Act of 2007
HR 1495 NV Veto Override Passed - Senate
(79 - 14)
06/21/2007 Energy Act of 2007
HR 6 Y Bill Passed - Senate
(65 - 27)
06/21/2007 Alternative Energy Subsidies
S Amdt 1704 Y Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(57 - 36)
06/14/2007 Offshore Drilling in Virginia
S Amdt 1566 NV Amendment Rejected - Senate
(43 - 44)
06/14/2007 Clean Energy Achievement Criteria
S Amdt 1538 Y Amendment Tabled - Senate
(56 - 39)
08/01/2006 Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006
S 3711 N Bill Passed - Senate
(71 - 25)
06/15/2006 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2006
HR 4939 Y Conference Report Adopted - Senate
(98 - 1)
05/04/2006 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2006
HR 4939 Y Bill Passed - Senate
(77 - 21)
03/16/2006 2007 Budget Resolution
S Con Res 83 N Resolution Passed - Senate
(51 - 49)
03/16/2006 ANWR Revenues Amendment
S AMDT 3128 N Bill Passed - Senate
(51 - 49)
03/16/2006 Natural Resources and Environment Funding Amendment
S AMDT 3103 Y Amendment Rejected - Senate
(48 - 49)
12/21/2005 Removal of ANWR Provision from HR 2863
S Con Res 74 Y Resolution Passed - Senate
(48 - 45)
11/03/2005 ANWR Amendment
S AMDT 2358 Y Amendment Rejected - Senate
(48 - 51)
09/13/2005 EPA's Clean Air Mercury Rule
S J Res 20 Y Bill Failed - Senate
(47 - 51)
06/14/2005 Environmental Effects Caused by Ethanol Amendment
S Amdt 781 N Amendment Tabled - Senate
(59 - 38)

Project Vote Smart - President Barack H. Obama, Jr. - Voting Record

 

[zzzz]

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

That's ridiculous. You guys believe any old bullshit. Every right wing talking point becomes more and more outlandish.

If the EPA is effective and competent, how did the oil spill happen?

Since the pipeline is buried under the river and flooding is occurring it may very well have been caused by scouring of the river bed and exposing the pipeline either to debris or causing sediment under the pipeline to be removed and causing the pipeline to crumple or bend and causing cracks. A lot of oil was released suddenly which indicates a catastrophic failure which means a large hole had to appear quite suddenly. All of this speculation though and until the pipeline can be checked out the cause is unknown.

 

[Flopper]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

We depend on the EPA to enforce our environmental laws. Without the EPA, we just as well repeal our the laws which seems to be part of the right's vision of America.

It was Nixon who created the EPA by executive order combining a number of branches of other agencies in order to reduce cost an improve effectiveness. Without the EPA, enforcement would fall back to a number of agencies increasing cost and reducing effectiveness.

 

[westwall]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

That's ridiculous. You guys believe any old bullshit. Every right wing talking point becomes more and more outlandish.

Show me where what I said is in error then deanie.

 

[westwall]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

We depend on the EPA to enforce our environmental laws. Without the EPA, we just as well repeal our the laws which seems to be part of the right's vision of America.

It was Nixon who created the EPA by executive order combining a number of branches of other agencies in order to reduce cost an improve effectiveness. Without the EPA, enforcement would fall back to a number of agencies increasing cost and reducing effectiveness.

Excuse me? Last time I heard there were individual State EPA's that are quite capable (more so in some cases) of protecting the environment and punishing businesses that fail to maintain and protect their local environment.

Did those all just vanish in your world? What world DO you live on anyway? Get with the program here buddy. The States are quite capable and don't need yet another incompetent and inefficient bureaucracy screwing up what they do best....which is protect their States. Bet you didn't know that the Federal EPA has many conflicting rules and regs that make it nearly impossible to know what their intent was.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

We depend on the EPA to enforce our environmental laws. Without the EPA, we just as well repeal our the laws which seems to be part of the right's vision of America.

It was Nixon who created the EPA by executive order combining a number of branches of other agencies in order to reduce cost an improve effectiveness. Without the EPA, enforcement would fall back to a number of agencies increasing cost and reducing effectiveness.

Excuse me? Last time I heard there were individual State EPA's that are quite capable (more so in some cases) of protecting the environment and punishing businesses that fail to maintain and protect their local environment.

Did those all just vanish in your world? What world DO you live on anyway? Get with the program here buddy. The States are quite capable and don't need yet another incompetent and inefficient bureaucracy screwing up what they do best....which is protect their States. Bet you didn't know that the Federal EPA has many conflicting rules and regs that make it nearly impossible to know what their intent was.

You should see what happens if you leave paint outside with the lid off.

 

[JimH52]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

You are rediculous. Post me a link of the EPA playing politics. You frigin Republicans come up with the strangest suff.

 

[Flopper]

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

We depend on the EPA to enforce our environmental laws. Without the EPA, we just as well repeal our the laws which seems to be part of the right's vision of America.

It was Nixon who created the EPA by executive order combining a number of branches of other agencies in order to reduce cost an improve effectiveness. Without the EPA, enforcement would fall back to a number of agencies increasing cost and reducing effectiveness.

Excuse me? Last time I heard there were individual State EPA's that are quite capable (more so in some cases) of protecting the environment and punishing businesses that fail to maintain and protect their local environment.

Did those all just vanish in your world? What world DO you live on anyway? Get with the program here buddy. The States are quite capable and don't need yet another incompetent and inefficient bureaucracy screwing up what they do best....which is protect their States. Bet you didn't know that the Federal EPA has many conflicting rules and regs that make it nearly impossible to know what their intent was.

No, all states do not have an EPA. Most states have a several agencies with responsibility of enforcing state environmental laws. State agencies rely heavily on the EPA for support. In fact, many of these state agencies would virtually disappear without EPA funding.

Our rivers, air, and wildlife are not restricted to state boundaries. Pollution in one state affects other states. Migrating wildlife knows nothing of state lines. Environmental protection is an interstate issue and thus requires federal laws.

 

[Trajan]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

hello... the dept of energy is in charge of this type of permitting etc.....

 

[westwall]

Exxon Says Oil Leak Mainly Confined to 10-Mile Area - WSJ.com

Yeah, that will do it!

Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.

You are rediculous. Post me a link of the EPA playing politics. You frigin Republicans come up with the strangest suff.

I regret to inform you but I is a Democrat! Have been my whole 64 9/10 years.

 

[westwall]

We depend on the EPA to enforce our environmental laws. Without the EPA, we just as well repeal our the laws which seems to be part of the right's vision of America.

It was Nixon who created the EPA by executive order combining a number of branches of other agencies in order to reduce cost an improve effectiveness. Without the EPA, enforcement would fall back to a number of agencies increasing cost and reducing effectiveness.

Excuse me? Last time I heard there were individual State EPA's that are quite capable (more so in some cases) of protecting the environment and punishing businesses that fail to maintain and protect their local environment.

Did those all just vanish in your world? What world DO you live on anyway? Get with the program here buddy. The States are quite capable and don't need yet another incompetent and inefficient bureaucracy screwing up what they do best....which is protect their States. Bet you didn't know that the Federal EPA has many conflicting rules and regs that make it nearly impossible to know what their intent was.

No, all states do not have an EPA. Most states have a several agencies with responsibility of enforcing state environmental laws. State agencies rely heavily on the EPA for support. In fact, many of these state agencies would virtually disappear without EPA funding.

Our rivers, air, and wildlife are not restricted to state boundaries. Pollution in one state affects other states. Migrating wildlife knows nothing of state lines. Environmental protection is an interstate issue and thus requires federal laws.

That is true and in those cases the States come together to help each other. Unfortunately, eventually, leftist loons get in and take over making all of the good work the organizations have done irrelevent by their actions. The Tahoe Regional Planning Commission is an excellent example of this. They were so focused on air pollution and the attendent degradation of clarity of the lake that they ignored that the very fuel additive they were using was carastrophically polluting the waters they were trying (supposedly) to protect.

You really need to get off of the "if you're a Republican you are ipso facto all for the destruction of the environment" kick because that is not the case with the Republicans I have worked with. They are just as concerned as Democrats are about the environment. They have a different POV of how to protect the environment. So far though, their programs havn't led to the poisoning of water wells all over the State of California. That is the Democrats fault.

 

[code1211]

Wish we could get an idea of what Obama thinks, but he wont say, and did not want to vote on it before he was president.

06/10/2008 Increasing Taxes on Profits, Rescinding Certain Tax Deductions, and Increasing Tax Incentives for Alternative Energy Programs for Oil Companies
S 3044 NV Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(51 - 43)

Project Vote Smart - President Barack H. Obama, Jr. - Voting Record

The Big 0 thinks he's on the Tour.

He thinks that wealth is self generating and that the rich are taking more of it than they should.

He thinks he deserves to be President.

He thinks that if the evil ones in the country would let him, he could Robin Hood the problems away.

He thinks he's getting away with it.

He thinks that a bigger debt is good for the country.

He thinks that the wealth of America occurs without effort and that the poor in America are created by the actions of the wealthy instead of the other way around.

He thinks that any real good starts by taking stuff away from the rich.

That pretty much sums it up.

The environment? Doesn't care except that there's a voting block associated with it.

 

[code1211]

That's ridiculous. You guys believe any old bullshit. Every right wing talking point becomes more and more outlandish.

If the EPA is effective and competent, how did the oil spill happen?

Since the pipeline is buried under the river and flooding is occurring it may very well have been caused by scouring of the river bed and exposing the pipeline either to debris or causing sediment under the pipeline to be removed and causing the pipeline to crumple or bend and causing cracks. A lot of oil was released suddenly which indicates a catastrophic failure which means a large hole had to appear quite suddenly. All of this speculation though and until the pipeline can be checked out the cause is unknown.

Like most Federal Agencies, it has been taken over by what Spiro Agnew referred to as "an effete corp of impudent snobs", a phrase that has no meaning that I can detect in English, but which seems to clearly convey what this corp of snobs does.

There are enough EPA employees to put more than 5 in each and every county in the USA.

While they calcualte the damage done the environment by trace chemicals measured in parts per TRILLION, we have oil spills occurring only several weeks after passed inspections.

What's wrong with this picture?


From the link:

"Exxon said its pipeline met "all regulatory requirements" and was inspected in December. The U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration audited the pipeline's integrity management program in June, Exxon added."

http://www.gibsondunn.com/publications/Documents/Dintzer-TheEPAs1.6BStepBack.pdf

<snip>

"In the 2011 budget cuts, the agency ended up with about $8.8 billion, down from a high of $10.3 billion in 2010, the year the EPA budget jumped 35 percent. In 2010, 17,278 people worked for the EPA.
Ever-increasing budgets and staff are certainly not unique to the EPA, and, given the current budget difficulties, the EPA should consider re-evaluating its spending in light of the times and the goals with which it started. It is unnecessary to find and clean up benign microscopic concentrations (now at parts per trillion) of certain chemicals in our environment, yet the EPA is now pursuing such a regulatory agenda."