Exxon Oil Leak...GOP wants top cut EPA?

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    Yes, when the EPA is mainly interested in politics and not protecting the environment it is time for it to go. They have done some good things but lately they are an arm of a political organization and ignoring their own scientists reports on subjects they wish to control. Hence, they have to go.
     
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    That's ridiculous. You guys believe any old bullshit. Every right wing talking point becomes more and more outlandish.
     
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    If the EPA is effective and competent, how did the oil spill happen?
     
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    You dont ?
     
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    Actually, the reason that the USA oil companies were involved in deep water drilling is that government experts told them they could drill there because if a spill occurred, there was absolutely no chance that the oil would ever reach shore.

    Government experts must be comprised of a pretty interesting group of people. They have absolute knowledge before the fact and no responsibility after the screw up.

    Pretty good gig and the benefits are great.
     
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    Wish we could get an idea of what Obama thinks, but he wont say, and did not want to vote on it before he was president.

    06/10/2008 Increasing Taxes on Profits, Rescinding Certain Tax Deductions, and Increasing Tax Incentives for Alternative Energy Programs for Oil Companies
    S 3044 NV Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
    (51 - 43)

    Project Vote Smart - President Barack H. Obama, Jr. - Voting Record
     
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    And here are all of his votes on environmental issues. he must not really care as he only voted twice.

    Environmental Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote Outcome
    09/27/2008 Continuing Appropriations
    HR 2638 NV Concurrence Vote Passed - Senate
    (78 - 12)
    06/18/2008 Second Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill)
    HR 6124 NV Veto Override Passed - Senate
    (80 - 14)
    06/17/2008 Alternative Energy Tax Incentives
    HR 6049 NV Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
    (52 - 44)
    06/10/2008 Increasing Taxes on Profits, Rescinding Certain Tax Deductions, and Increasing Tax Incentives for Alternative Energy Programs for Oil Companies
    S 3044 NV Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
    (51 - 43)
    06/06/2008 Carbon Emissions Cap and Trade Plan
    S Amdt 4825 NV Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
    (48 - 36)
    05/22/2008 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill)
    HR 2419 NV Veto Override Passed - Senate
    (82 - 13)
    05/15/2008 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill)
    HR 2419 NV Conference Report Adopted - Senate
    (81 - 15)
    04/10/2008 Housing Bill with Energy Tax Credit Extensions
    HR 3221 NV Bill Passed - Senate
    (84 - 12)
    04/10/2008 Energy Tax Credits Amendment
    S Amdt 4419 to S Amdt 4387 to HR 3221 NV Amendment Adopted - Senate
    (88 - 8)
    03/13/2008 Amendment on Certain Energy-Related Programs, Including the Development of Oil Shale and Offshore Natural Gas
    S Amdt 4207 to S Con Res 70 N Amendment Rejected - Senate
    (47 - 51)
    03/13/2008 Amendment on Certain Energy-Related Programs, Including the Development of Oil and Natural Gas in Coastal Areas Not Covered by a Moratorium
    S Amdt 4329 to S Con Res 70 Y Amendment Adopted - Senate
    (56 - 43)
    12/18/2007 Inclusion of Consolidated Appropriations
    HR 2764 NV Concurrence Vote Passed - Senate
    (76 - 17)
    12/14/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill)
    HR 2419 NV Bill Passed - Senate
    (79 - 14)
    12/13/2007 Energy Act of 2007
    HR 6 NV Concurrence Vote Passed - Senate
    (86 - 8)
    12/11/2007 Government Sponsored Farm Insurance Policies
    S Amdt 3711 NV Amendment Rejected - Senate
    (37 - 58)
    11/08/2007 Water Resources Development Act of 2007
    HR 1495 NV Veto Override Passed - Senate
    (79 - 14)
    06/21/2007 Energy Act of 2007
    HR 6 Y Bill Passed - Senate
    (65 - 27)
    06/21/2007 Alternative Energy Subsidies
    S Amdt 1704 Y Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
    (57 - 36)
    06/14/2007 Offshore Drilling in Virginia
    S Amdt 1566 NV Amendment Rejected - Senate
    (43 - 44)
    06/14/2007 Clean Energy Achievement Criteria
    S Amdt 1538 Y Amendment Tabled - Senate
    (56 - 39)
    08/01/2006 Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006
    S 3711 N Bill Passed - Senate
    (71 - 25)
    06/15/2006 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2006
    HR 4939 Y Conference Report Adopted - Senate
    (98 - 1)
    05/04/2006 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2006
    HR 4939 Y Bill Passed - Senate
    (77 - 21)
    03/16/2006 2007 Budget Resolution
    S Con Res 83 N Resolution Passed - Senate
    (51 - 49)
    03/16/2006 ANWR Revenues Amendment
    S AMDT 3128 N Bill Passed - Senate
    (51 - 49)
    03/16/2006 Natural Resources and Environment Funding Amendment
    S AMDT 3103 Y Amendment Rejected - Senate
    (48 - 49)
    12/21/2005 Removal of ANWR Provision from HR 2863
    S Con Res 74 Y Resolution Passed - Senate
    (48 - 45)
    11/03/2005 ANWR Amendment
    S AMDT 2358 Y Amendment Rejected - Senate
    (48 - 51)
    09/13/2005 EPA's Clean Air Mercury Rule
    S J Res 20 Y Bill Failed - Senate
    (47 - 51)
    06/14/2005 Environmental Effects Caused by Ethanol Amendment
    S Amdt 781 N Amendment Tabled - Senate
    (59 - 38)

    Project Vote Smart - President Barack H. Obama, Jr. - Voting Record
     
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    Since the pipeline is buried under the river and flooding is occurring it may very well have been caused by scouring of the river bed and exposing the pipeline either to debris or causing sediment under the pipeline to be removed and causing the pipeline to crumple or bend and causing cracks. A lot of oil was released suddenly which indicates a catastrophic failure which means a large hole had to appear quite suddenly. All of this speculation though and until the pipeline can be checked out the cause is unknown.
     
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    We depend on the EPA to enforce our environmental laws. Without the EPA, we just as well repeal our the laws which seems to be part of the right's vision of America.

    It was Nixon who created the EPA by executive order combining a number of branches of other agencies in order to reduce cost an improve effectiveness. Without the EPA, enforcement would fall back to a number of agencies increasing cost and reducing effectiveness.
     

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