Example of climate cooling

[Robert W]

It's easy to reingorce your feelings with your fellow denialists Robert. Maybe not so easy to address head-on what abu afak just told us.

You are who denies.

 

[Robert W]

The OP was NOT an example of CLIMATE cooling it was Temporary WEATHER generated by EL Nino Dumping 10 rainstorms on California in 1-2 months.

Scripps Institute of Oceanography/UC San Diego
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HOW WILL TEMPERATURE CHANGE IN CALIFORNIA?​

Average summer temperatures in California have risen by approximately 3 degrees F (1.8℃) since 1896, with more than half of that increase occurring since the early 1970s.
If global Greenhouse Gas emissions Continue at current rates, the state is likely to experience further warming by more than 2 degrees F more by 2040, more than 4 degrees F by 2070, and by more than 6 degrees F by 2100.
Some of the most impressive impacts of warming will be felt during short period heat events (e.g. days exceeding 106.6 degrees F). For example, if emissions continue at current rates, Fresno will likely suffer 43 extreme heat days per year between 2050 and 2099; 10 times more than its yearly average between 1961 and 2005.
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https://scripps.ucsd.edu/research/climate-change-resources/faq-climate-change-california

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I would not mind at all were you to have the same attitude about what you call global warming. It warms and cools. Don't make it a big deal.

 

[abu afak]

I would not mind at all were you to have the same attitude about what you call global warming. It warms and cools. Don't make it a big deal.

I'm posting Globally and over Much Longer periods of Time. "Climate"
YOU posted WEATHER in ONE season in ONE state and Deceptively (or stupidly) called it CLIMATE.
You're a low IQ Fraud.
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[BlindBoo]

But despite all the most draconian efforts to force people to use green energy and reduce use of fossil fuels, there is absolutely no evidence that such efforts have reduced the CO2 in the atmosphere by a single particle. And human activity is such a teensy percentage of the increase in CO2, there is zero evidence that further draconian efforts to push green energy will make any measurable difference.

First off the use of fossil fuel has increased since forever across the wordl and likely will continue to increase because it is an abundant source of cheap energy. The only drop came during the pandemic. It will take a huge climatic catastrophe for people to change and that might not happen until the next century.

"The most basic reason is that fossil fuels—the equivalent of millions of years of plant growth—are the only source of carbon dioxide large enough to raise atmospheric carbon dioxide amounts as high and as quickly as they have risen. The increase between the year 1800 and today is 70% larger than the increase that occurred when Earth climbed out of the last ice age between 17,500 and 11,500 years ago, and it occurred 100-200 times faster.

In addition, fossil fuels are the only source of carbon consistent with the isotopic fingerprint of the carbon present in today’s atmosphere. That analysis indicates it must be coming from terrestrial plant matter, and it must be very, very old. These and other lines of evidence leave no doubt that fossil fuels are the primary source of the carbon dioxide building up in Earth’s atmosphere.

How do we know the build-up of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is caused by humans?

Fossil fuels are the only source of carbon dioxide large enough to raise atmospheric carbon dioxide amounts so high so quickly.

www.climate.gov

 

[Robert W]

First off the use of fossil fuel has increased since forever across the wordl and likely will continue to increase because it is an abundant source of cheap energy. The only drop came during the pandemic. It will take a huge climatic catastrophe for people to change and that might not happen until the next century.

"The most basic reason is that fossil fuels—the equivalent of millions of years of plant growth—are the only source of carbon dioxide large enough to raise atmospheric carbon dioxide amounts as high and as quickly as they have risen. The increase between the year 1800 and today is 70% larger than the increase that occurred when Earth climbed out of the last ice age between 17,500 and 11,500 years ago, and it occurred 100-200 times faster.

In addition, fossil fuels are the only source of carbon consistent with the isotopic fingerprint of the carbon present in today’s atmosphere. That analysis indicates it must be coming from terrestrial plant matter, and it must be very, very old. These and other lines of evidence leave no doubt that fossil fuels are the primary source of the carbon dioxide building up in Earth’s atmosphere.

How do we know the build-up of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is caused by humans?

Fossil fuels are the only source of carbon dioxide large enough to raise atmospheric carbon dioxide amounts so high so quickly.

www.climate.gov

Biden will sacrifice all of Africa just to compel Americans to obey him like a dictator. That dictator has already dictated so many terms to Americans when the fact is he should have permission. He does not have permission of most Americans. This accounts for his fast falling from grace even by Democrats.

 

[Foxfyre]

First off the use of fossil fuel has increased since forever across the wordl and likely will continue to increase because it is an abundant source of cheap energy. The only drop came during the pandemic. It will take a huge climatic catastrophe for people to change and that might not happen until the next century.

"The most basic reason is that fossil fuels—the equivalent of millions of years of plant growth—are the only source of carbon dioxide large enough to raise atmospheric carbon dioxide amounts as high and as quickly as they have risen. The increase between the year 1800 and today is 70% larger than the increase that occurred when Earth climbed out of the last ice age between 17,500 and 11,500 years ago, and it occurred 100-200 times faster.

In addition, fossil fuels are the only source of carbon consistent with the isotopic fingerprint of the carbon present in today’s atmosphere. That analysis indicates it must be coming from terrestrial plant matter, and it must be very, very old. These and other lines of evidence leave no doubt that fossil fuels are the primary source of the carbon dioxide building up in Earth’s atmosphere.

How do we know the build-up of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is caused by humans?

Fossil fuels are the only source of carbon dioxide large enough to raise atmospheric carbon dioxide amounts so high so quickly.

www.climate.gov

And reduction of the use of fossil fuels has not reduced the CO2 in the atmosphere by any measurable amount. And human activity accounts for a teensy fraction of the CO2 increase in the atmosphere.

Nobody on the planet has shown any evidence that further reduction of use of fossil fuels will make any measurable change in the CO2 in the atmosphere.

 

[Crick]

Biden will sacrifice all of Africa just to compel Americans to obey him like a dictator. That dictator has already dictated so many terms to Americans when the fact is he should have permission. He does not have permission of most Americans. This accounts for his fast falling from grace even by Democrats.

What are you talking about?

 

[Captain Caveman]

As some of us know, California was in a drought. But it came out of it in 2022, full blast came out of the drought. The drought was alleged evidence of global warming, so it is proper to point out that now it is cooling as evidenced by the past several years and this winter, CA is in a climate cooling stage.
Here is what is happening in the Sierra Nevada mountains.

From the SF Chronicle.
A Winter Weather Advisory went into effect for the Central and Northern Sierra Wednesday afternoon and is set to last until 10 p.m. Thursday as up to 10 inches of snow are expected at elevations above 4,000 feet.
The National Weather Service warned drivers to expect slippery roads and travel delays — and around 7:30 p.m. Caltrans shut down westbound traffic on Highway 80 through Truckee due to "multiple spinouts."
As of 8 p.m., the agency had no estimate of when traffic would resume. Highway 89 was also shut down at Monitor Pass, a mountain road about 27 miles south of South Lake Tahoe near the Nevada border, according to California Highway Patrol. Further south, Highway 108 was closed in both directions in Mono County due to inclement weather with no expected opening time.

Highway 80 is a major highway that is in many states.

I wonder when man made climate change started in California for Lake Corcoran to have nearly disappear

 

[Robert W]

I wonder when man made climate change started in California for Lake Corcoran to have nearly disappear

And Tulare Lake returned with a vengeance.

 

[Robert W]

What are you talking about?

There are areas on Earth where Biden's ideas can terminate progress. I pointed to one place, Africa.

 

[Robert W]

And reduction of the use of fossil fuels has not reduced the CO2 in the atmosphere by any measurable amount. And human activity accounts for a teensy fraction of the CO2 increase in the atmosphere.

Nobody on the planet has shown any evidence that further reduction of use of fossil fuels will make any measurable change in the CO2 in the atmosphere.

Let's ask how much CO2. Well to measure it, they count it in parts per million. So to illustrate, you have a million dollars, and you see a person who has 420 dollars, it is just that tiny. 420 is virtually invisible to be measured.

 

[Robert W]

I'm posting Globally and over Much Longer periods of Time. "Climate"
YOU posted WEATHER in ONE season in ONE state and Deceptively (or stupidly) called it CLIMATE.
You're a low IQ Fraud.
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No it was more than one season. Did you forget I mentioned vast parts of the USA and also Europe? Why don't you realize climate is weather? 30 years of it in fact.

 

[Foxfyre]

Let's ask how much CO2. Well to measure it, they count it in parts per million. So to illustrate, you have a million dollars, and you see a person who has 420 dollars, it is just that tiny. 420 is virtually invisible to be measured.

But the 420 is the total of CO2 from all sources. The amount contributed by humans is a tiny percentage of that.

 

[Robert W]

I wonder when man made climate change started in California for Lake Corcoran to have nearly disappear

A lake in CA reported be around the same size of Lake Michigan. Gone. Tulare Lake occupies now a part of what was once Lake Corcoran.

 

[Robert W]

But the 420 is the total of CO2 from all sources. The amount contributed by humans is a tiny percentage of that.

Thanks for developing the message better than I did.

So if you visualize 420 dollars, of which 400 was always there, and the new was 20 dollars, out of a million we put in 20 dollars.

 

[ding]

This is like when a denialist has his refrigerator's plug slipping out of the wall socket and wondering a week later why the hamburgers are a little off.

Now can we have a civil discussion?

Sure.

Simple physics show the instantaneous GHG of CO2 is 1C per doubling of CO2. So why do the IPCC's models amplify that effect by 450% when the rest of the atmosphere is only 44% efficient at trapping its theoretical GHG effect?

How is that for a civil discussion?

 

[Robert W]

Sure.

Simple physics show the instantaneous GHG of CO2 is 1C per doubling of CO2. So why do the IPCC's models amplify that effect by 450% when the rest of the atmosphere is only 44% efficient at trapping its theoretical GHG effect?

How is that for a civil discussion?

I am not a denialist. I know for a fact Climate changes. I have seen it go from several years of drought to very very wet and in the mountains super deep snow. Climate is variable.

 

[abu afak]

No it was more than one season. Did you forget I mentioned vast parts of the USA and also Europe? Why don't you realize climate is weather? 30 years of it in fact.

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The New York Times
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[Robert W]

Axios
Heat waves: Record temperatures hit U.S., Europe, Asia
All-time high temperature records have been shattered across the world.
.
Jul 19, 2023


VOA News
Record Heat Waves Sweep World, From US to Europe to Asia
The thermometer is likely to hit 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees Fahrenheit) in Rome by Monday and even 43C (109F) on Tuesday, smashing the...
.
Jul 15, 2023



NBC News
Heat wave: Millions in the U.S., Europe and beyond face record temperatures this week
Millions of people across the South are sweltering under a relentless heat wave, with more records expected to be broken this week as...
.
Jul 18, 2023



Al Jazeera
Heatwaves set more records across Europe, Asia and US
The intense heatwave across the world has shown no signs of abating. Residents across Asia, Europe and North America scramble to find some...
.
Jul 19, 2023



USNews.com
Extreme Heat Wave Hits U.S., Europe and Asia, Dashing Records
The first week of July was the hottest on record globally and more records are expected to be broken.
.
Jul 18, 2023


The Washington Post
Heat records are being smashed in multiple parts of the globe
As the relentless central U.S. heat wave peaks, intense heat waves are also blasting other regions that have faced unusually hot weather off...
.
Aug 24, 2023


The New York Times
Global Heat Map: Tracking Extreme Heat Across Europe and Asia
See detailed maps of the latest temperature forecasts across the world.
.
Jul 19, 2023



CBS News
Italy told to brace for "most intense heat wave" ever, as Europe expected to see record temperatures
Greece evacuates beach resorts as a wildfire erupts, Cyprus reports a fatality, and Italians are warned it could hit a record 110 degrees...
.
Jul 17, 2023



The Guardian
Extreme heatwave live: Texas city confirms first heat death; northern hemisphere boils in severe weather – as it happened
Man in Houston died in house without air conditioning; mercury in parts of Italy is close to hitting 45C as wildfires ravage Greece and...
.
Jul 17, 2023


The Times of India
From US to Europe to Asia: Temperature reaches new highs as heatwaves scorch the globe
Heatwaves swept the Northern Hemisphere, with high temperatures from North America, Europe and Asia, prompting a warning for the increasing...
.
Jul 17, 2023

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Snackbar, perhaps you missed the super deep snow in Europe, large states of the USA and even on the West Coast of the usa. Have you not noticed it is now cold and we may set records for cold?

 

[Captain Caveman]

A lake in CA reported be around the same size of Lake Michigan. Gone. Tulare Lake occupies now a part of what was once Lake Corcoran.

So the lake can disappear some 758,000 and 665,000 years ago naturally, but if a puddle disappears today, man caused did that.