'Ex-sceptic says climate change is down to humans'

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    "The results confirm the warming trend seen by other groups using different methods."

    'Earth is warming, study concludes - Climate unit releases more data - Warming since 1995 'significant''

    "A formerly sceptical climate scientist says human activity is causing the Earth to warm, as a new study confirms earlier results on rising temperatures." BBC News - Ex-sceptic says climate change is down to humans


    "Quite possibly, this belief in our own opinion, regardless of the facts, may be what separates us from the nations of the world, what makes us unique in GodÂ’s eyes. The average German or Czech, though possibly no less ignorant than his American counterpart, will probably consider the possibility that someone who has spent his life studying something may have an opinion worth considering. Not the American. Although perfectly willing to recognize expertise in basketball, for example, or refrigerator repair, when it comes to the realm of ideas, all folks (and their opinions) are suddenly equal. Thus evolution is a damned lie, global warming a liberal hoax, and Republicans care about people like you." Mark Slouka
     
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    Muller is absolutely dishonest. He was never a skeptic,

    http://www.populartechnology.n.....uller.html

    "I was never a skeptic" - Richard Muller, 2011

    "If Al Gore reaches more people and convinces the world that global warming is real, even if he does it through exaggeration and distortion - which he does, but he’s very effective at it - then let him fly any plane he wants."
    - Richard Muller, 2008

    "There is a consensus that global warming is real. ...it’s going to get much, much worse." - Richard Muller, 2006

    "Let me be clear. My own reading of the literature and study of paleoclimate suggests strongly that carbon dioxide from burning of fossil fuels will prove to be the greatest pollutant of human history. It is likely to have severe and detrimental effects on global climate." - Richard Muller, 2003
     
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    An opinion worth considering is not scientific evidence. It's opinion. Until there is hard scientific evidence free of 74% likely or some other variety of expressed opinion pushed as evidence, thsi debate is based on belief, not science.
     
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    AGW is EnviroMarxism, the one and only purpose of which is the destruction of the US Economy.

    What Jon Corzine (the financial architect of Obama's failed stimulus) is to finance, AGW is to science
     
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    Like most of the "scientists" involved with the extortion scam designed to ruin the US economy, Muller is just another hired gun. You can count on his opinion to reflect the agenda of the people who pay his salary. In this case it's something called BEST.
     
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    Muller is about as accurate as Old Rocks, he's a complete scam.
     
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    The earth is flat, the earth is flat.

    I am always amazed that the global warming deniers know as much about climate or weather as they know about particle physics, but since corporations manage their minds and have made the topic political, they not only know it is false but also attach a motive to warm weather. As a bicyclist this summer has been murder, between crazy weather and drought, climate is changing and if responsible people do things that help, why not. Also strikes me as odd that after humans polluted the rivers, lakes, and forests, all of sudden humans are just innocent bystanders. Thankfully the corporate puppets had less influence back when the rivers, lakes and forest pollution was cleaned up.

    Jill Sobule sings to Al Gore | Video on TED.com
     
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    Government's made this debate political by politicizing the "science" for desired outcome. Unless the ICPP is a private organisation.

    You're the one who has been brain washed into believing scientific evidence is equal to opinion. Furthermore, the argument regarding climate change of the man made variety is crux on the CO2 debate. Not river pollutants.

    Now you're just grasping for straws. Show us again how many PPM it take to acidify the oceans.
     
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    This forum would suck without the hopelessly duped....................:D:D:D


    Disney is gay s0n................


    Dirty but essential -- that's coal
    We may not like coal, but given the insatiable demand for electricity, it will be powering the global economy for decades to come.

    By Robert Bryce

    July 27, 2012

    Standing in the dispatch office of the North Antelope Rochelle Mine near Gillette, Wyo., Scott Durgin pointed at a flat-panel display. The regional vice president for Peabody Energy smiled. The most productive coal mine in the world was on target. Since midnight, about one train an hour had been loaded, each carrying about 16,000 tons of coal.

    I asked Durgin how long Peabody could continue mining in the region. Easily for five more decades, he replied. "There's no end to the coal here."

    The Peabody mine, along with the about 1,300 other coal mines in the U.S., is being threatened. The Environmental Protection Agency has proposed a rule that, if enacted, would in effect outlaw the construction of new coal-fired power plants in the United States. The EPA's motives are clear: It wants to shut down coal plants, which emit lots of carbon dioxide.

    But the EPA and the Obama administration know their attack on coal is little more than a token gesture. The rest of the world will continue to burn coal, and lots of it. Reducing the use of coal in the U.S. may force Americans to pay higher prices for electricity, but it will have nearly no effect on climate change.


    Coal's future is undimmed - latimes.com




    Hundreds of these are moving across the country EVERY DAY as the k00ks throw up their gay posts about the "consensus science"........................


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    Good for them.............but in 2035, these sIcK ass big bomb freight trains will still be moving hundreds of housands of tons of coal across this country. Why? Because tis cheap assholes and people like cheap electricity...........not expensive electricity!!!


    But keep on posting up the science stuff............go...........go...........go!!!!!
     
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    you guys have Muller's motives totally wrong. he is an isolated bigwig at Berekeley who is used to being the smartest guy in the room. he taught a class on climate science that conforms almost totally with the IPCC version. when Mann's bullshit methodology in the Hockey Stick Graph was brought to his attention he flipped out at the betrayal of the scientific method. as with many physicists he considered other fields to be on a lower level so he 'dropped in' to fix temperature records. since he has been in climate science he has tried to show how smart he is by 'proving' that the Urban Heat Island effect actually lowers the trend, showing that his way of chopping and adjusting temp readings actually shows warmer temps and higher trends, and now he claims to have 'proven' that all the temp rise is due to mankind by making the graphs of temp and CO2 rise look similar.

    unfortunately commonsense disproves UHI as a cooling agent, kridging appears to have its flaws as a method of combining temp series, and 'mankind must be at fault because I cant think of anything else' has already been used. I hope he gets tired of being ridiculed by all sides (except the media, who love him) and leaves the climate science sandbox to those who have at least seem to have the backgound covered.

    just how high does your IQ have to be to talk yourself into believing that the Urban Heat Island effect doesnt raise the temperature? that's as bad as Hansen's GISS deciding Rejavic's cooling in the 70's needed 'adjusting' even though lowered crop yields and stunted transportation from increased ice supported the actual thermometre readings.
     

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