Everyone Needs to Calm the Hell Down

[Cecilie1200]

YouTube - HatingnotDebating

This was apparently from McCaskill's town hall meeting.

I'll be honest, I've always been supportive of some Universal Health System, though I'm still undecided whether the plans offered thus far are really the answer. I can say, jumping up and ripping apart some woman's Rosa Parks poster who did not seem to be doing anything is not the way to approach anything. That being said, getting up and screaming at the guy probably a crappy way of getting anything accomplished either. You walk over to the cops, say he tore my poster up and let them deal with it.

There seems to be a lot of almost psychotic anger on both sides of the issue, when lets face it, a majority of people haven't given it a hours worth of thought. I know, sort of a fruity "can't we all just get along" post.

But seriously, is this what we really want to become as a nation?

people dont want the shit, the demos need to take the fucking hint

The Republican attack squad of the 1920's was the Klu Klux Klan. They even wore covering over their face like your image.

The Klan was started by Democrats and perpetuated by them, twerp. Where'd YOU study history?

 

[Cecilie1200]

people dont want the shit, the demos need to take the fucking hint

The Republican attack squad of the 1920's was the Klu Klux Klan. They even wore covering over their face like your image.

Leave Democrat Robert Byrd out of this...

And, of course, there was Senator Earl Mayfield of Texas in the 1920s, who was openly a Klan member. Guess which party HE was elected from? Woodrow Wilson was quoted as admiring both the Klan and The Birth of a Nation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he a Democrat? Justice Hugo Black was a member in his youth. Do you even have to ask?

 

[ElmerMudd]

The Republican attack squad of the 1920's was the Klu Klux Klan. They even wore covering over their face like your image.

Leave Democrat Robert Byrd out of this...

And, of course, there was Senator Earl Mayfield of Texas in the 1920s, who was openly a Klan member. Guess which party HE was elected from? Woodrow Wilson was quoted as admiring both the Klan and The Birth of a Nation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he a Democrat? Justice Hugo Black was a member in his youth. Do you even have to ask?

Well you do more about the Klan than I do.

Why do you know so much about the Klan?

 

[Annie]

YouTube - HatingnotDebating

This was apparently from McCaskill's town hall meeting.

I'll be honest, I've always been supportive of some Universal Health System, though I'm still undecided whether the plans offered thus far are really the answer. I can say, jumping up and ripping apart some woman's Rosa Parks poster who did not seem to be doing anything is not the way to approach anything. That being said, getting up and screaming at the guy probably a crappy way of getting anything accomplished either. You walk over to the cops, say he tore my poster up and let them deal with it.

There seems to be a lot of almost psychotic anger on both sides of the issue, when lets face it, a majority of people haven't given it a hours worth of thought. I know, sort of a fruity "can't we all just get along" post.

But seriously, is this what we really want to become as a nation?

people dont want the shit, the demos need to take the fucking hint

The Republican attack squad of the 1920's was the Klu Klux Klan. They even wore covering over their face like your image.

Actually the KKK of the 20's were Democrats, but heh, what's truth got to do with anything?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Excuse me, but we ARE blamed for everything any conservative has ever done, as well as anything bad ever done by anyone that leftists think they can LINK to conservatives.

I blame leftists not for the actions of their lunatics, but for their utter unwillingness to condemn their lunatics.

Well, I'm new here. So, bookmark this post. If you ever hear me blame all cons for the actions of a few, you'll make a point.

It's not my responsibility to condemn anyone, lib or con. I'm not big on condemning. But I dislike being lumped into a larger category simply because my political views may appear to fall on the left side of the spectrum. The point is, Liberals as a whole are not a hive mind. We don't all agree on everything, in fact I'm sure there are plenty of things that I agree with more cons than libs on. Don't try to pigeonhole me, and we'll get along just fine.

We won't get along at all, because you're clearly just another typical, cookie-cutter leftist with nothing new or interesting to bring to the debate. Know how I can tell? You've already started off with one of the classic bobblehead leftist talking points: It's all about me. Me, me, me! You said something concerning a group of people, and I interpret it strictly about ME, and since I personally have not done it yet, that completely invalidates your remark about an entire group, because all remarks are about ME!!!

You just lumped yourself, Sparky, by behaving EXACTLY like a member of the hive. I'll believe you don't all agree on everything when even ONE of you can make a post that isn't word-for-word quoted out of the frigging playbook.

You're not worth it.

Edit to add: I'm glad you were so quick to judge me, therefore making it really easy to come to the following decision. I have no time for rude people like yourself. You're on Ignore now.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Obami-Salami EXPOSES ITS TRANSPARENT AGENDA of RAMMING DOWN OUR THROATS THE FAILED and/or FAILING CANADIAN, and EUROPEAN SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, that will of necessity RATION our Health care because the goal is to SUBSIDIZE 47 MILLION additional people,

So your position is that you want all these folks to go untreated just so you won't have to sit beside them in a waiting room?

Nice.

I think his position is that he wants them to go without treatment that is paid for by his money.

Sounds to me like you are just trying to make his position more palatable. I'm guessing he has a better knowledge of what he meant than you do.

But to YOUR point - you wind up paying for it one way or another. You can continue to pay the ultra-premium emergency room as primary care rate, or you can look for ideas to bring that cost down. One way or another - you pay.

 

[Vast LWC]

2 things, First the Klan was an entirely a Democratic Party Organization in the 1920's. History is your friend learn some.

2nd First thing you learn to distrust in any logic class are round numbers. The odds of their being exactly 47 million people without health insurance are about a million to one against. It looks like a number some one pulled out of a warm moist place when they were trying to impress some one.

And since your side is the one trotting out this fictitious number all the damn time why is it our job to prove it real?

Ahh, and up comes the "Democrats are the racists argument". I love this one.

History is indeed your friend, and the history of the South and the Democratic party, specifically during the 1960's, will tell you why your statement means nothing.

You see, not too long after Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act, the entire south switched from Blue to Red, primarily due to the fact that all the racists in that region were no longer willing to vote Democrat.

Thus they became Republicans. So all of the voters that had previously voted a bunch of racist Democrats into office, were now voting for Republicans. Which may have something to do with the fact that black folks now vote Democratic by overwhelming margins.

Oh, and this argument:

The odds of their being exactly 47 million people without health insurance are about a million to one against.

I'm sorry to seem like an "intellectual elitist" here, but this is probably one of the dumbest arguments I have ever seen on this board. Seriously.

You can't possibly believe that anyone is suggesting that the number of uninsured in this country is exactly 47 million, do you? Have you never heard of "rounding to the nearest thousand" or million?

In reality, according to the US Census, there are roughly 47 million uninsured legal residents in this country.

Roughly 10 million of these are legal non-citizen residents (student visas, green cards etc) which means there are roughly 37 million actual citizens that are un-insured.

In addition, according to studies, there are approximately 7 million illegal immigrants that are un-insured. (number based on estimates of 59% of 12 million estimated illegals. Illegal immigrants, of course, are not included in the Census.

To see those numbers, you can go to the US Census website and look them up relatively easily.

 

[Meister]

2 things, First the Klan was an entirely a Democratic Party Organization in the 1920's. History is your friend learn some.

2nd First thing you learn to distrust in any logic class are round numbers. The odds of their being exactly 47 million people without health insurance are about a million to one against. It looks like a number some one pulled out of a warm moist place when they were trying to impress some one.

And since your side is the one trotting out this fictitious number all the damn time why is it our job to prove it real?

Ahh, and up comes the "Democrats are the racists argument". I love this one.

History is indeed your friend, and the history of the South and the Democratic party, specifically during the 1960's, will tell you why your statement means nothing.

You see, not too long after Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act, the entire south switched from Blue to Red, primarily due to the fact that all the racists in that region were no longer willing to vote Democrat.

Thus they became Republicans. So all of the voters that had previously voted a bunch of racist Democrats into office, were now voting for Republicans. Which may have something to do with the fact that black folks now vote Democratic by overwhelming margins.

Oh, and this argument:

The odds of their being exactly 47 million people without health insurance are about a million to one against.

I'm sorry to seem like an "intellectual elitist" here, but this is probably one of the dumbest arguments I have ever seen on this board. Seriously.

You can't possibly believe that anyone is suggesting that the number of uninsured in this country is exactly 47 million, do you? Have you never heard of "rounding to the nearest thousand" or million?

In reality, according to the US Census, there are roughly 47 million uninsured legal residents in this country.

Roughly 10 million of these are legal non-citizen residents (student visas, green cards etc) which means there are roughly 37 million actual citizens that are un-insured.

In addition, according to studies, there are approximately 7 million illegal immigrants that are un-insured. (number based on estimates of 59% of 12 million estimated illegals. Illegal immigrants, of course, are not included in the Census.
To see those numbers, you can go to the US Census website and look them up relatively easily.

I've lookedd at the data, and couldn't come across anything like what you have posted. Please give the exact source. I'm not saying your wrong, but I am saying that I looked throughout the US Census and couldn't come across what you have.

 

[Annie]

2 things, First the Klan was an entirely a Democratic Party Organization in the 1920's. History is your friend learn some.

2nd First thing you learn to distrust in any logic class are round numbers. The odds of their being exactly 47 million people without health insurance are about a million to one against. It looks like a number some one pulled out of a warm moist place when they were trying to impress some one.

And since your side is the one trotting out this fictitious number all the damn time why is it our job to prove it real?

Ahh, and up comes the "Democrats are the racists argument". I love this one.

History is indeed your friend, and the history of the South and the Democratic party, specifically during the 1960's, will tell you why your statement means nothing.

You see, not too long after Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act, the entire south switched from Blue to Red, primarily due to the fact that all the racists in that region were no longer willing to vote Democrat.

Thus they became Republicans. So all of the voters that had previously voted a bunch of racist Democrats into office, were now voting for Republicans. Which may have something to do with the fact that black folks now vote Democratic by overwhelming margins.

Oh, and this argument:

The odds of their being exactly 47 million people without health insurance are about a million to one against.

I'm sorry to seem like an "intellectual elitist" here, but this is probably one of the dumbest arguments I have ever seen on this board. Seriously.

You can't possibly believe that anyone is suggesting that the number of uninsured in this country is exactly 47 million, do you? Have you never heard of "rounding to the nearest thousand" or million?

In reality, according to the US Census, there are roughly 47 million uninsured legal residents in this country.

Roughly 10 million of these are legal non-citizen residents (student visas, green cards etc) which means there are roughly 37 million actual citizens that are un-insured.

In addition, according to studies, there are approximately 7 million illegal immigrants that are un-insured. (number based on estimates of 59% of 12 million estimated illegals. Illegal immigrants, of course, are not included in the Census.
To see those numbers, you can go to the US Census website and look them up relatively easily.

I've lookedd at the data, and couldn't come across anything like what you have posted. Please give the exact source. I'm not saying your wrong, but I am saying that I looked throughout the US Census and couldn't come across what you have.

I found this:

http://www.census.gov/prod/2007pubs/p60-233.pdf

Hope it helps.

 

[Vast LWC]

You can't possibly believe that anyone is suggesting that the number of uninsured in this country is exactly 47 million, do you? Have you never heard of "rounding to the nearest thousand" or million?

In reality, according to the US Census, there are roughly 47 million uninsured legal residents in this country.

Roughly 10 million of these are legal non-citizen residents (student visas, green cards etc) which means there are roughly 37 million actual citizens that are un-insured.

In addition, according to studies, there are approximately 7 million illegal immigrants that are un-insured. (number based on estimates of 59% of 12 million estimated illegals. Illegal immigrants, of course, are not included in the Census.
To see those numbers, you can go to the US Census website and look them up relatively easily.

I've lookedd at the data, and couldn't come across anything like what you have posted. Please give the exact source. I'm not saying your wrong, but I am saying that I looked throughout the US Census and couldn't come across what you have.

Sure, no prob:

According to the US Census ( linked here , see page 22)

Uninsured Americans can be broken down as follows:

Native Born Citizens: 34,380,000
Naturalized Citizens: 2,384,000
Not a Citizen: 10,231,000

Total: 46,995,000

The 7 million uninsured illegals number was arrived at by assuming the estimates that there are 12 million of them are correct, and applying this study:

http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/107.pdf

...which found that approximately 59% of illegal aliens are uninsured.

 

[EriktheRed]

...which found that approximately 59% of illegal aliens are uninsured.

Why only 59%?? Who's insuring illegal aliens??

 

[EriktheRed]

2 things, First the Klan was an entirely a Democratic Party Organization in the 1920's. History is your friend learn some.

That was a Southern thing, not a party thing.

But of course you know that.

 

[Vast LWC]

...which found that approximately 59% of illegal aliens are uninsured.

Why only 59%?? Who's insuring illegal aliens??

A good question. I have no clue.

Perhaps they have insurance from their home country?

 

[nodoginnafight]

2 things, First the Klan was an entirely a Democratic Party Organization in the 1920's. History is your friend learn some.

That was a Southern thing, not a party thing.

But of course you know that.

THIS southern man would like to point out that Penn. (right now) has the highest Klan/White supremist penetration of any state but Florida and Oregon are close by. (This according to the Southern Poverty Law Center). And some of the worst anti-school desegregation rioting was in Boston.

Yes, the south has had a lot of problems - but those same problems exist all over. You can't write it off as a "southern thing" imho.

"And I hope Neil Young will remember, a southern man don't need him around anyhow."

 

[Meister]

2 things, First the Klan was an entirely a Democratic Party Organization in the 1920's. History is your friend learn some.

That was a Southern thing, not a party thing.

But of course you know that.

THIS southern man would like to point out that Penn. (right now) has the highest Klan/White supremist penetration of any state but Florida and Oregon are close by. (This according to the Southern Poverty Law Center). And some of the worst anti-school desegregation rioting was in Boston.

Yes, the south has had a lot of problems - but those same problems exist all over. You can't write it off as a "southern thing" imho.

"And I hope Neil Young will remember, a southern man don't need him around anyhow."

Hey....don't go messin' with Neil Young Not even by Lynyrd Skynyrd

 

[Vast LWC]

2 things, First the Klan was an entirely a Democratic Party Organization in the 1920's. History is your friend learn some.

That was a Southern thing, not a party thing.

But of course you know that.

THIS southern man would like to point out that Penn. (right now) has the highest Klan/White supremist penetration of any state but Florida and Oregon are close by. (This according to the Southern Poverty Law Center). And some of the worst anti-school desegregation rioting was in Boston.

Yes, the south has had a lot of problems - but those same problems exist all over. You can't write it off as a "southern thing" imho.

"And I hope Neil Young will remember, a southern man don't need him around anyhow."

Perhaps today. But in the 60's, when the civil rights movement took place, the South was in fact the largest center of racism in the country.

And of course, that's when the racists moved over to the Republican party.

Today, it is true that many areas in the midwest are in fact centers of klan activity. This is probably due to resentment over manufacturing job losses, which historically has led to increased racism.

That being said, I have known a lot of racists, mainly from the army days, and they are all Republicans, even the ones who were from blue states.

 

[Meister]

That was a Southern thing, not a party thing.

But of course you know that.

THIS southern man would like to point out that Penn. (right now) has the highest Klan/White supremist penetration of any state but Florida and Oregon are close by. (This according to the Southern Poverty Law Center). And some of the worst anti-school desegregation rioting was in Boston.

Yes, the south has had a lot of problems - but those same problems exist all over. You can't write it off as a "southern thing" imho.

"And I hope Neil Young will remember, a southern man don't need him around anyhow."

Perhaps today. But in the 60's, when the civil rights movement took place, the South was in fact the largest center of racism in the country.

And of course, that's when the racists moved over to the Republican party.

Today, it is true that many areas in the midwest are in fact centers of klan activity. This is probably due to resentment over manufacturing job losses, which historically has led to increased racism.

Really? I did not know that.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Perhaps today. But in the 60's, when the civil rights movement took place, the South was in fact the largest center of racism in the country.

And of course, that's when the racists moved over to the Republican party.

Today, it is true that many areas in the midwest are in fact centers of klan activity. This is probably due to resentment over manufacturing job losses, which historically has led to increased racism.

No arguments - I'm not blind to the big problems we have had in the south - nor to the problems we still have. But I just think a lot of "holier-than-y'all" types like to feel superior by blaming it all on southerners.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Hey....don't go messin' with Neil Young Not even by Lynyrd Skynyrd

And don't mess with Lynyrd Skynyrd - even if your Neil Young

 

[Vast LWC]

And of course, that's when the racists moved over to the Republican party.

Today, it is true that many areas in the midwest are in fact centers of klan activity. This is probably due to resentment over manufacturing job losses, which historically has led to increased racism.

Really? I did not know that.

I meant Republican voters of course. The Democratic policians who represented them just lost their jobs.