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We learned a couple of things about the religion of global warming in the last three years. We learned that the "scientists" fudged data to keep the lucrative grants rolling in and confirm crazy unscientific theories. We learned that government supported taxpayer funded "green technology" is nothing but a money pit and a home for crooks. We learned that America is mortgaged to the gills to countries who are rich in fossil fuels and we learned that Obama's nominee to his "green jobs board" is a communist who pulls the strings in the socialist hate-capitalism, hate America OWS movement.
Jim,my apologies if you though I was being personel,I was teasing but we have had sustained change here for the past 25 years,global warming is effecting us big time.It is SUMMER over there right now, right?
Besides, the article is about what the Met and East Anglia said. My opinion is irrelevant.
There is evidence that the poles are affected,you only have to check out Greenland to see how much ice etc., has been lost over the past 30 years.......the strange thing is though,that in Alaska some glaciers have actully increased!!!!!There is something going on Jim.Maybe you could elucidate ?????regards steveYour opinion by the way is relevant......yes it's summer here and its been 40c+ for the past few weeks......loads of bush fires and all,yet flooding in the Eastern States
I didnt think you were being personal, not at all. Maybe flippant, but I have problems grasping humor so its unlikely to be your fault.
As to what is happening, well, the climate is going through some major changes. Of what kind exactly and in what direction I dont know. Look at the history of the Sahara desert, in the Ice Age it was still largely a desert, but as the Ice Age transitions into an intergalacial period, it blossoms into a green paradise for a few millenia. Then the trade winds change once again as things continue to warm up and the place dries out again.
The climate is a very intricate thing and not so simple that some silly 2 dimensional computer model can seriously be expected to emulate it and indicate what is going to happen.
My best guess is that the suns radience, characterized by its sun spot activity, is the dominant driving factor. Initially this could somehow cause unanticipated changes due to the simple fact that our oceans will retain heat for much longer than the upper atmosphere and so would be expected to be a lagging indicator. This might heighten El Nino effects while the overall temperatures decline and vice-versa.
But maybe not.
We havent gone through an Ice Age with the ability to record the events in any detail before, so we might as well not assert that anything said about what may happen is any better than a best guess.
Jim,my apologies if you though I was being personel,I was teasing but we have had sustained change here for the past 25 years,global warming is effecting us big time.It is SUMMER over there right now, right?
Besides, the article is about what the Met and East Anglia said. My opinion is irrelevant.
There is evidence that the poles are affected,you only have to check out Greenland to see how much ice etc., has been lost over the past 30 years.......the strange thing is though,that in Alaska some glaciers have actully increased!!!!!There is something going on Jim.Maybe you could elucidate ?????regards steve
I didnt think you were being personal, not at all. Maybe flippant, but I have problems grasping humor so its unlikely to be your fault.
As to what is happening, well, the climate is going through some major changes. Of what kind exactly and in what direction I dont know. Look at the history of the Sahara desert, in the Ice Age it was still largely a desert, but as the Ice Age transitions into an intergalacial period, it blossoms into a green paradise for a few millenia. Then the trade winds change once again as things continue to warm up and the place dries out again.
The climate is a very intricate thing and not so simple that some silly 2 dimensional computer model can seriously be expected to emulate it and indicate what is going to happen.
My best guess is that the suns radience, characterized by its sun spot activity, is the dominant driving factor. Initially this could somehow cause unanticipated changes due to the simple fact that our oceans will retain heat for much longer than the upper atmosphere and so would be expected to be a lagging indicator. This might heighten El Nino effects while the overall temperatures decline and vice-versa.
But maybe not.
We havent gone through an Ice Age with the ability to record the events in any detail before, so we might as well not assert that anything said about what may happen is any better than a best guess.
According to reasonable scientists we are emerging from the "last" ice age right now. Not "the" ice age but the "last ice age".The world didn't begin 150 years ago. Geological records indicate "natural" climate changes that exterminate humans and animals. We ain't got time to eat up America's dwindling treasure with a global extortion scam apparently designed to punish Americans for their last half century of decadence. Sooner or later the private sector will come up with substitutes for fossil fuel but it ain't gonna happen because of pressure by a socialist administration who ain't got a clue about capitalism. We need to keep energy prices low with oil exploration and we need to stop using taxpayer funds for jerk-off schemes that promise to end a crisis that doesn't exist.
Jim,my apologies if you though I was being personel,I was teasing but we have had sustained change here for the past 25 years,global warming is effecting us big time.
There is evidence that the poles are affected,you only have to check out Greenland to see how much ice etc., has been lost over the past 30 years.......the strange thing is though,that in Alaska some glaciers have actully increased!!!!!There is something going on Jim.Maybe you could elucidate ?????regards steve
I didnt think you were being personal, not at all. Maybe flippant, but I have problems grasping humor so its unlikely to be your fault.
As to what is happening, well, the climate is going through some major changes. Of what kind exactly and in what direction I dont know. Look at the history of the Sahara desert, in the Ice Age it was still largely a desert, but as the Ice Age transitions into an intergalacial period, it blossoms into a green paradise for a few millenia. Then the trade winds change once again as things continue to warm up and the place dries out again.
The climate is a very intricate thing and not so simple that some silly 2 dimensional computer model can seriously be expected to emulate it and indicate what is going to happen.
My best guess is that the suns radience, characterized by its sun spot activity, is the dominant driving factor. Initially this could somehow cause unanticipated changes due to the simple fact that our oceans will retain heat for much longer than the upper atmosphere and so would be expected to be a lagging indicator. This might heighten El Nino effects while the overall temperatures decline and vice-versa.
But maybe not.
We havent gone through an Ice Age with the ability to record the events in any detail before, so we might as well not assert that anything said about what may happen is any better than a best guess.
You're talking about weather like it's climate, but it's not.
In indianapolis, it's very warm, but i recall the year the Colts won the Super Bowl a few back and when they held the victory parade on their return to the town it was below 0 f.
This has been the mildest winter since I've lived here, 1992 until now.
Personnally, I love it.
Every day that's behind us is one more I can count on without a traffic stopping blizzard.
Ernie,you my be right but rain fall has lowered for around 22 years each year,and is gettin hotter each summer..just saying.steve..apologies for the previous insultations.
I dont think anyone doubts that temps have risen to 1998 or so world wide average, but two questions remain:
1. is it still continuing to warm up over all globally? While my native state of Texas got blistered and you guys down there too, the rest of the US has had cool seasons and the average world wide is a bit lower since 1998.
2. How much of this is due to human activity? I think some but I cant believe it is the primary driver of climate change when the release of CO2 by every day ocean activity dwarfs anything we do.
1. Yes, it is continuing to warm up worldwide.
UAH Global Temperature Update for Dec. 2011: +0.13 deg. C « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.
If you look at the graph on Dr. Spencer's site, you can see that 75% or better of the running average on the graph since 1998 has been above the high points on the graph prior to 1998. Not only that, in the year of the double La Nina, 2011, December was above the highest running average point prior to 1998. And 2010 equaled the running average high point of 1998. In fact, the running average has been above the highest running average points prior to 1998, since 2009.
2. No, the ocean does not release more CO2 than we do. In fact, the carbon cycle has the ocean absorbing and releasing equal amounts of CO2 when the climate is in balance. However, today, the ocean is absorbing far more CO2 than it is releasing, making the oceans a net absorber of CO2.
Oceans Found to Absorb Half of All Man-Made Carbon Dioxide
Oceans Found to Absorb Half of All Man-Made Carbon DioxideJohn Pickrell
for National Geographic News
July 15, 2004
Around half of all carbon dioxide produced by humans since the industrial revolution has dissolved into the world's oceanswith adverse effects for marine lifeaccording to two new studies.
Scientists who undertook the first comprehensive look at ocean storage of carbon dioxide found that the world's oceans serve as a massive sink that traps the greenhouse gas. ..
I didnt think you were being personal, not at all. Maybe flippant, but I have problems grasping humor so its unlikely to be your fault.
As to what is happening, well, the climate is going through some major changes. Of what kind exactly and in what direction I dont know. Look at the history of the Sahara desert, in the Ice Age it was still largely a desert, but as the Ice Age transitions into an intergalacial period, it blossoms into a green paradise for a few millenia. Then the trade winds change once again as things continue to warm up and the place dries out again.
The climate is a very intricate thing and not so simple that some silly 2 dimensional computer model can seriously be expected to emulate it and indicate what is going to happen.
My best guess is that the suns radience, characterized by its sun spot activity, is the dominant driving factor. Initially this could somehow cause unanticipated changes due to the simple fact that our oceans will retain heat for much longer than the upper atmosphere and so would be expected to be a lagging indicator. This might heighten El Nino effects while the overall temperatures decline and vice-versa.
But maybe not.
We havent gone through an Ice Age with the ability to record the events in any detail before, so we might as well not assert that anything said about what may happen is any better than a best guess.
You're talking about weather like it's climate, but it's not.
In indianapolis, it's very warm, but i recall the year the Colts won the Super Bowl a few back and when they held the victory parade on their return to the town it was below 0 f.
This has been the mildest winter since I've lived here, 1992 until now.
Personnally, I love it.
Every day that's behind us is one more I can count on without a traffic stopping blizzard.
Weather over enough years is climate. For 150 years we have seen temperatures increasing, overlain with natural variations, as we have increased the GHGs in the atmosphere.
When you are losing ice off of both continental ice caps by the tens of billions of tons yearly, when the Arctic Sea Ice is declining at a rate that may have it gone by 2020, and when you are seeing feedback effects like the outgassing of the East Siberian Arctic Shelf clathrates, that is climate.
