Equality for All!!!

[Cecilie1200]

I know this will come as a suprise to many on the right, but a single payer healthcare system like Medicare, Medicaid and TriCare are not SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. The doctors etc are not employed by the government.

It isn't a lot different than what we have now with the government already reimbursing the Humana's etc of the country for treating Medicare and Medicaid patients and retired military.

This is just another chicken little the socilized sky is falling bullshit.

If we can pay less and get care par with other real industrialized countries, why are you wetting your pants?

Hey, dumbass. Doctors and nurses and such are employed by the people paying for their services, as are all people who work in a service industry. If I am paying for their services out of my pocket, they are employed by me. If the only entity paying for those services is the government, who are they employed by?

This is not rocket magic, although it may be confusing to an unskilled, minimum-wage drone who only knows about employment by way of filling out an application and punching a time clock for Burger King.

 

[brownlou]

Something is wrong in this country with healthcare and the insurance companies and there is no denying it.

I do not know what the answer is but tell me this...what other industry makes more money if the services a customer pays for are denied?

 

[Oddball]

I already do....i have the one insurance policy that matt's work offers, that most certainly tells me what i can do and what they will pay for it, if anything at all, and whom has to administer it to me....

yeah, my choices are fabulous in the Private sector...NOT!

Well, aiin't trying to get a third party to pay your bills a bitch??

What makes you think that a federal gubmint, that has never ever made anything they've involved themselves with either less expensive or more efficient, is going to do any better of a job??

A scant few examples would suffice.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Something is wrong in this country with healthcare and the insurance companies and there is no denying it.

I do not know what the answer is but tell me this...what other industry makes more money if the services a customer pays for are denied?

Well, I hate to tell you this, but insurance isn't quite like a simple commodities transaction. The insurance company is gambling that you will pay more in premiums than they will have to pay out in claims. Most times, that's the case and sometimes, it's not. So it's analogous to casinos, which are betting that you and all the other customers will put more into the slot machines over time than they will ever have to pay out in jackpots. And in both cases, they're right.

And that is one other industry that makes more money if it never has to pay anything out.

 

[Care4all]

i don't think casinos are betting that they come out cecilie, they KNOW by the way they set their slots that they WILL come out ahead, no risk involved...well there is, but it is a calculated risk.

and they also KNOW that the way they set their games like roulette, adding a double zero and the payout always being slightly less than the numbers you can play....that they WILL come out ahead and when they add 5 deck of cards to play black jack instead of one, with rules of when you can split or hit or double down etc is all measurable mathematically to guarantee them profit come year end when it's all said and done....

and you are right, that the insurance business is similar to casinos, in the manner that they have (mathematically calculated their) risks so that they do make a profit in the end, after the profit and losses are added up...and both of them, usually make a fairly healthy profit.

the health insurance companies have some gvt help and protection as well....the gvts limit healthcare providers within their states which only keeps prices high for the favored few offering insurance within their states, due to the lack of competition.

in a pandemic, our government, would for the most part, be paying for the vaccines instead of the cost hitting them for the people they insured...

in a national catastrophe, our gvt would give assistance to them as well, if many many people were injured, where normally insurance would pay for the person insured...

a bunch of little things our governments do to protect them from getting hit with full health care catastrophes that could bankrupt them....

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Funny...none of those provide comparisons.

By the way...even with a "financial crisis", NHS is still significantly cheaper than US healthcare.

For some comparisons...

A systematic review of studies comparing health outcomes in Canada and the United States | Guyatt | Array

Interpretation: Available studies suggest that health outcomes may be superior in patients cared for in Canada versus the United States, but differences are not consistent.

Hmm...and lets compare government run healthcare (which isn't even being considered), which is basically VA care, as compared to regular US care.

Well here...read all about it yourself.
"The Best Care Anywhere" by Phillip Longman

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Navy, I don't believe the government has the right to cap liability suits, PERIOD. That is an over reach of the government and it is NOT right for them to legislate something that the free market should decide and to do this for only one industry, while other high risk industries would LOVE the same political machinations for themselves...who next? Will we have our government limit the coal mine owners on people suing them for BEING NEGLIGENT? Or the Airlines if their negligence caused a crash and the death or injuries of those people? We have a constitutional right to redress grievances....no?

Free markets do not decide lawsuits, judges and juries do, and they decide them on the basis of laws the government has passed, so of course the government has the right to pass another law about the extent of a litigant's rights. You have no right to sue at all except as it is established by law.

if you limit what someone can be sued for BECAUSE OF THEIR NEGLIGENCE, then this will become a statistical calculation of where they will count on being negligent, while still being profitable and we humans just become numbers...on whether they can afford to let us die or how many of us they can let die through their own negligence, with only having to pay the cap, the calculated risk....they will factor in negligence as an acceptable risk....and not address the actual negligence and why it happens repeatedly with some folks....

Not knowing what your monetary punishment will be, because every case does not have the same damages is part of the self governess of the free market industries....

This makes them strive for perfection, and running a business without negligence....without having government having to regulate them to the hilt imo...

That's a guess on your part.

They calculate all the time. All the time.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

i don't think casinos are betting that they come out cecilie, they KNOW by the way they set their slots that they WILL come out ahead, no risk involved...well there is, but it is a calculated risk.

and they also KNOW that the way they set their games like roulette, adding a double zero and the payout always being slightly less than the numbers you can play....that they WILL come out ahead and when they add 5 deck of cards to play black jack instead of one, with rules of when you can split or hit or double down etc is all measurable mathematically to guarantee them profit come year end when it's all said and done....

and you are right, that the insurance business is similar to casinos, in the manner that they have (mathematically calculated their) risks so that they do make a profit in the end, after the profit and losses are added up...and both of them, usually make a fairly healthy profit.

the health insurance companies have some gvt help and protection as well....the gvts limit healthcare providers within their states which only keeps prices high for the favored few offering insurance within their states, due to the lack of competition.

in a pandemic, our government, would for the most part, be paying for the vaccines instead of the cost hitting them for the people they insured...

in a national catastrophe, our gvt would give assistance to them as well, if many many people were injured, where normally insurance would pay for the person insured...

a bunch of little things our governments do to protect them from getting hit with full health care catastrophes that could bankrupt them....

And yet they still go bankrupt.

 

[dblack]

And the trees are all kept equal ...

 

[Sun Devil 92]

How come nobody ever publishes the financials for big insurance ?

 

[Cecilie1200]

How come nobody ever publishes the financials for big insurance ?

The financials, such as . . . what? Specifically what information about insurance companies are you looking for?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

How come nobody ever publishes the financials for big insurance ?

The financials, such as . . . what? Specifically what information about insurance companies are you looking for?

Basically, their income statements.

 

[Cecilie1200]

How come nobody ever publishes the financials for big insurance ?

The financials, such as . . . what? Specifically what information about insurance companies are you looking for?

Basically, their income statements.

Well, what have you done to get them? Googled and figured because they weren't on the Net in intricate detail, that must mean they're a big secret? All publicly-traded corporations have to disclose their finances to government regulatory bodies, among others, which means they're available to investors and potential investors, which means you can get them if you ask appropriately. Did you not know that, or do you just think everything that isn't spoonfed to you is, perforce, a secret?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

How come nobody ever publishes the financials for big insurance ?

The financials, such as . . . what? Specifically what information about insurance companies are you looking for?

Basically, their income statements.

Well, what have you done to get them? Googled and figured because they weren't on the Net in intricate detail, that must mean they're a big secret? All publicly-traded corporations have to disclose their finances to government regulatory bodies, among others, which means they're available to investors and potential investors, which means you can get them if you ask appropriately. Did you not know that, or do you just think everything that isn't spoonfed to you is, perforce, a secret?

I asked that question in response to the constant claim that Health Insurance Companies make "obscene profits".

 

[Cecilie1200]

How come nobody ever publishes the financials for big insurance ?

The financials, such as . . . what? Specifically what information about insurance companies are you looking for?

Basically, their income statements.

Well, what have you done to get them? Googled and figured because they weren't on the Net in intricate detail, that must mean they're a big secret? All publicly-traded corporations have to disclose their finances to government regulatory bodies, among others, which means they're available to investors and potential investors, which means you can get them if you ask appropriately. Did you not know that, or do you just think everything that isn't spoonfed to you is, perforce, a secret?

I asked that question in response to the constant claim that Health Insurance Companies make "obscene profits".

I think "obscene" is definitely in the eye of the beholder. It's really only a mindset found in leftists and people who've been infected with left-think, and what it really means is "You are in a business I do not approve of, and making more money than I think you should have because I don't approve of you". I don't know that there's ANY amount of profits that insurance companies could make that their detractors wouldn't find "obscene".

Personally, I have nothing against insurance companies. I read the specifics of the policy very carefully, and as long as they follow through on their obligations with a minimum of bullshit, we're all good. I'm not one to pitch a hissy when I find out that they don't cover something, because I'm not one to be surprised by what's not covered at the moment it actually comes up.

I've never really had a huge medical insurance claim, so I don't know if my insurer would balk at paying for it or not. They've never given me any guff about anything that's been recommended by my doctors, I know that, even when it involves a "pre-existing condition". Maybe that's because my pre-existing conditions aren't terribly expensive ones.

By the way, does anyone know why health insurance will cover Viagra and dermatology treatments and even some cosmetic, elective surgeries, but won't cover hearing aids? Apparently, erections are a necessity, but being able to hear is a luxury.