Healthcare costs money!!

Discussion in 'Healthcare/Insurance/Govt Healthcare' started by Navy1960, Jun 10, 2009.

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    According to the Department of Homeland Security, in 2000 the population of California had the highest percent of illegal immigrants in the country. The estimate by the Immigration and Naturalization Service was that 2,209,000 aliens resided illegally in the state, which was 31.6 percent of the estimated national total. Current 2005 illegal estimates vary between 14 million and 22 million nationwide.

    A study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform estimated that in 2004 the annual uncompensated cost of medical care for illegal immigrants in California was $1.4 billion. Total uncompensated educational, health care and incarceration costs were estimated to be 10.5 billion.
    High Cost of Medical Care for Illegal Immigrants

    This next one is an official from a Florida Hospital giving testimony about their situations on illegal immigrants medical care.
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gAYUfrF0Lw&feature=fvw]YouTube - Testimony of illegal alien care from 1 Florida hospital[/ame]

    The point of this thread is to show that in the debate for national healthcare for all, the realy factors involved in costs of care are not always the evil companies as they are made out to be. Costs of healthcare are driven up by several factors each of which need to be addressed individually and when that happens the cost of healthcare as well as affordability will go down.

    The real crisis presented by the breakdown of our medical malpractice litigation and insurance system is that the wrong people are getting most of the money. Often, the people who sue have substantial injuries but dubious liability claims, while many people with legitimate claims can't even assert them. As a result, many doctors are angry and resentful toward patients who bring frivolous claims, and many patients with legitimate but unredressed grievances are disgusted by their lack of access to justice. The sad result is a breakdown in confidence and trust between doctor and patient. And that produces a perception of poor quality health care, as well as a dysfunctional community.
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/503853

    Yet another facor in the rising costs of medical care and insurance and another issue that needs to be addressed individually. As stated above all these things are factors and rather than cure this with a program that will NOT fix the problem, maybe it would be helpful to have congress actually fix the real issues.
     
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    Really? Its all because of medical malpractice lawsuits? Then surely counties/states that limit liability must have significantly lower healthcare costs...right? Care to provide me with some evidence thats the case?

    Annals of Medicine: The Cost Conundrum: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

    Try reading that and educate yourself a bit on whats actually going on.
     
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    the new yorker? :lol:
     
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    Yes. Let me guess...your laughing and you didn't even read it. :lol: How terribly predictable of you, troll.
     
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    The canard that medical malpractice suits are the root cause of the HC meltdown is highly exaggerated.

    I vaguely recall reading that malpractice insurance and lawsuits account of 2% of the overall cost of American medicine.

    Anyone have the actual stats on that?
     
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    of course i didn't read it. a) you posted it and b) it's the new yorker.

    great cartoons and the odd updike or angell piece but serious analysis of healthcare costs?-please.
     
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    *shrug* if you want to continue being ignorant, go for it. Not my job to educate trolls like you.

    By the way, appeal to authority fallacy. Better luck next time. Try reading the piece, you might learn something.
     
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    Healthcare costs money!!!

    So simple, yet so profound.

    I wonder when the socialist Left will finally figure this out. This just in: Never. :doubt:

    I'm all for "sharing the wealth", if by "sharing", they mean "give it all to me." :clap2:
     
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    Actually, they're all about sharing the misery.
     
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    Aren't you one of the people that claims Fox lies? Give me a break, you want to lecture someone else on a source?
     

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