Entitlement mentality...

[22lcidw]

Me and millions just like me don’t want anything to do with socialist anything. With Socialized healthcare comes a price far too large to justify it.
- Tons of paid time off for everything from vacation time to holidays to maternity leave to sick pay to whatever... no thanks. Too expensive for everybody to justify.
- Individual personal decisions determined by the collective... no thanks. Big brother has no credibility.
- political correctness to replace freedom of speech... no thanks. I like to think for myself.

So you oppose laws to limit a woman's right to an abortion, because that is Big Brother making the most intimate of personal decisions for you.

Sorry but everybody needs time off. Only shithole countries don't give people adequate vacation time, materinity leave, and family leave.

A country is people. Not corporations, not businesses, but people. Families matter, health matters. It benefits all of society when companies and businesses make fair and reasonable demands on their employees time.

If you had first world benefits like this in Russia, you wouldn't be spending your working life trying to destroy Western democracies.

You may be right but we live off of sweatshop slaves in Asia.

 

[Ame®icano]

Yea...we're "entitled" to healthcare because to not have have it means you...ya know...DIE

Ya know who else is"entitled"?

Federal workers who are forced to work without pay.
They're ENTITLED to get fucking PAID

They're not forced to work. They're free to quit any time they want and join the private sector.

 

[Ame®icano]

The Enumerated powers is all the govt should have EVER been able to do. The Founders warned us that giving them unlimited power would end in a Govt too powerful.

We didnt listen. Now we have what they warned us about.

we have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause. there is no express wall building clause.

Your switch is still stuck on stupid, I see.

 

[Dragonlady]

Me and millions just like me don’t want anything to do with socialist anything. With Socialized healthcare comes a price far too large to justify it.
- Tons of paid time off for everything from vacation time to holidays to maternity leave to sick pay to whatever... no thanks. Too expensive for everybody to justify.
- Individual personal decisions determined by the collective... no thanks. Big brother has no credibility.
- political correctness to replace freedom of speech... no thanks. I like to think for myself.

So you oppose laws to limit a woman's right to an abortion, because that is Big Brother making the most intimate of personal decisions for you.

Sorry but everybody needs time off. Only shithole countries don't give people adequate vacation time, materinity leave, and family leave.

A country is people. Not corporations, not businesses, but people. Families matter, health matters. It benefits all of society when companies and businesses make fair and reasonable demands on their employees time.

If you had first world benefits like this in Russia, you wouldn't be spending your working life trying to destroy Western democracies.

Abortion is a states issue

The hell it is. Abortion is a woman's RIGHT. Her body, her choice.

 

[easyt65]

'Entitlement Mentality'?

Hillary 2016: "It's My Turn!"

 

[Dragonlady]

So you're saying that poor folks aren't entitled to healthcare? Aren't entitled to LIVE?

No that is not what I'm saying...you don't want healthcare assistance for just the poor...you want a single payer program so it feels free...but its not...in fact its more costly and short in quality....

All of the healthcare systems ranking ahead of American health care, are single payer, tax funded systems. Your system ranks around 34th. That's because only the rich get quality care.

Single payer costs SUBSTANTIALLY less than your for-profit system. For example, Canadian spend a little more than half of what Americans spend on health care, and our system is both rated more highly in world rankings, but we have longer life expectancy than Americans, even before yours started declining.

Our administration costs are 7%. Yours are in excess of 30%. Then there's the private insurance profit margin.

 

[Dragonlady]

'Entitlement Mentality'?

Hillary 2016: "It's My Turn!"

Not once ever did she say this, you lying piece of Russian shit.

 

[easyt65]

Not once ever did she say this, you lying piece of Russian shit.

Wow, you are one mentally unstable, nasty partisan freak, ya know that?

Please point out where I said "Hillary said in 2016 that it was her turn'.

I didn't say that...but don't let the facts get in the way of your unhinged tantrum.

I said that, not Hillary, because she acted 'entitled'...and arrogant. She completely skipped States she thought she would win without visiting.

 

[Lesh]

Hillary 2016: "It's My Turn!"

Please point out where I said "Hillary said in 2016 that it was her turn'.

I didn't say that...but don't let the facts get in the way of your unhinged tantrum.

You seriously need to fuck off

You're a fool and a liar and a troll

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Paid time off is what good employers know will make their workers more productive. The cost is negligible today as the productivity of today's workers is incredibly high compared to their pay. Today's employers have never had an easier time finding highly qualified hard working employees.

Actually the opposite is true. Companies are finding it more difficult than ever to find qualified employees. Check facts first to avoid looking like a complete tool.

More than a third of small businesses can't fill open jobs, matching a record

• The percentage of small businesses not able to fill open positions hit 36 percent in June, according to the NFIB Research Center, the highest level on record.
• The organization found in their most recent report that 21 percent of small business owners cited trouble finding qualified workers as the single most important business problem.

 

[Moonglow]

Me and millions just like me don’t want anything to do with socialist anything. With Socialized healthcare comes a price far too large to justify it.
- Tons of paid time off for everything from vacation time to holidays to maternity leave to sick pay to whatever... no thanks. Too expensive for everybody to justify.
- Individual personal decisions determined by the collective... no thanks. Big brother has no credibility.
- political correctness to replace freedom of speech... no thanks. I like to think for myself.

So you oppose laws to limit a woman's right to an abortion, because that is Big Brother making the most intimate of personal decisions for you.

Sorry but everybody needs time off. Only shithole countries don't give people adequate vacation time, materinity leave, and family leave.

A country is people. Not corporations, not businesses, but people. Families matter, health matters. It benefits all of society when companies and businesses make fair and reasonable demands on their employees time.

If you had first world benefits like this in Russia, you wouldn't be spending your working life trying to destroy Western democracies.

Abortion is a states issue

No it is an individual's issue.

 

[Moonglow]

Paid time off is what good employers know will make their workers more productive. The cost is negligible today as the productivity of today's workers is incredibly high compared to their pay. Today's employers have never had an easier time finding highly qualified hard working employees.

Actually the opposite is true. Companies are finding it more difficult than ever to find qualified employees. Check facts first to avoid looking like a complete tool.

More than a third of small businesses can't fill open jobs, matching a record

• The percentage of small businesses not able to fill open positions hit 36 percent in June, according to the NFIB Research Center, the highest level on record.
• The organization found in their most recent report that 21 percent of small business owners cited trouble finding qualified workers as the single most important business problem.

I have zero problem filling my one position in my company because I am not a tyrant like the OP..

 

[danielpalos]

The Enumerated powers is all the govt should have EVER been able to do. The Founders warned us that giving them unlimited power would end in a Govt too powerful.

We didnt listen. Now we have what they warned us about.

we have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause. there is no express wall building clause.

Your switch is still stuck on stupid, I see.

Your switch is still stuck on ignorant, I see.

 

[easyt65]

Hillary 2016: "It's My Turn!"

Please point out where I said "Hillary said in 2016 that it was her turn'.

I didn't say that...but don't let the facts get in the way of your unhinged tantrum.

You seriously need to fuck off

You're a fool and a liar and a troll

What's the matter, snowflake? Frustrated that DL's personal attack failed because she can't read? Snowflake ignorance, low IQ, and poor reading comprehension does not make me a fool, a liar, or a troll.

 

[Rustic]

Entitlement mentality: I bought a house and should therefore pay less taxes than someone who didn't.

Entitlement mentality: I have kids, and should therefore pay less taxes than someone who doesn't.


For every dollar that is deducted from taxes, a dollar has to be extracted from someone else's pocket. That means higher tax rates on every taxpayer, present and future. Therefore, deductions are robbery/redistribution as much as SCHIP.

That is why everyone should pay the same amount, not percentage.
That way the federal government can never spend more than what it has....

Entities earning identical incomes should pay identical income taxes. We currently have a system where that is not the case. Not even close.

We have a massive $1.4 trillion annual wealth redistribution in the form of tax expenditures. It's insane.

If I buy the right kind of refrigerator, I pay less taxes than another person who earned the same income I did. It astonishes me when pseudocons defend this insane welfare mentality to the death.

It's not the poor who are breaking the bank. It's everyone else.

Na, not really

 

[Andylusion]

Meaning, that if you have system that does not help everyone equally, then it is unconstitutional. You can't have a program that taxes one group of people, and benefits another group of people. That is not "general welfare" to tax me, to pay for your food, or tax me to pay for your pension, or tax me to pay for your health care.

When 1% of citizens bribe elected government for favorable tax and trade policies leading to an unfair distribution of income, that also can not be construed as providing for the general welfare.

One chart that shows how much worse income inequality is in America than Europe

Progressive taxation compensates for the "free ride" the donor class receives from bribing politicians at all levels of government.

So I have a couple of different points.

First, there is this weird idea that companies and rich people, are bribing politicians.

This is mythology. It's what the elite politicians in our government, want the mindless lemmings that support them, to believe.

Go back to Al Gore making calls from the office of the vice-president. Were rich wealthy people calling up Al Gore and bribing him? No. Al Gore was calling up rich wealthy people, and asking them for donations in exchange for favorable policy.

Were rich and wealthy calling up Bill Clinton, to ask to spend the night at the White House? Or was Bill Clinton offering a night in the Lincoln Bedroom for a fee?

In all cases, it's the elite politicians that are shaking down corporations and the wealthy. Not the other way around.

And this is exactly why the left-wing favors high taxes. Most of the people you vote for and support, all know that the wealthy are not going to pay those high taxes. But they need to dupe stupid lefties into thinking they work, so they can push high taxes?

Well think about it. If the tax rate on the rich is 30%... there is no way they can get give an exemption that lowers the tax rate on a wealthy person, lower than it would be someone in a lower tax bracket. That would get them voted out of office.

But if the tax rate is 70%, then they can convince wealthy people to give money to their campaign in exchange for an exemption that lowers their taxes to 40%... and the mindless lemmings that voted these very politicians in office, won't complain because they are still paying more in taxes than themselves.

The left-wing politicians play their supports like fools, all the way to the bank. The politicians enrich themselves, the wealthy get their deductions, and the mindless lemmings follow right behind not knowing they are supporting their own overlords.

Second, you have this strange idea that the top 1% earning more than the bottom, is unexpected or wrong.

Before I get into why it is completely expected, and good..... first you need to know that your own position is immoral. Any argument based on greed and envy, is a bad argument, and immoral and evil.

No matter how you cut it, or how you view this topic.... saying "they have more, and that's wrong" is an argument of greed and envy. That's another way of saying... evil. It is an evil argument. Which of course is why every society based on such ideology ends up in ruins.

That said, why is it expected and good that the top 1% will get greater and greater income over time?

To understand you need only think of yourself as a store owner. You own a store that is producing income. The income you collect from a store is relatively modest given your investment. Let us say that after paying a manager, and keeping money for repairs and maintenance to the store, you end up with a total income of about $100,000.

Using your income, you save money and decide to open another store. The new store also produces $100,000.

After you have 10 stores open, you have an income of $1 Million dollars. However, how much do the employees make? The same amount. The amount of money the employees make doesn't change. Why is that?

Because the amount of profit the store makes hasn't changed. Just because your income went up, doesn't mean that the customers buying a dozen eggs at your store, have started paying more money for eggs. Since the customers are not willing to pay more for the same product.... the profit of the store hasn't changed. Since the profit at the store has not changed, then neither have the wages you can pay your employees.

So naturally over time we would expect that the people who invest into the economy, are going to continually have an ever increasing income. Obviously if an investment didn't have a profitable return, they wouldn't do it.

Which leads to the second point, which is that it is a good thing.

Investor people investing into the economy, creates growth. An average store can cost upwards of $2 Million dollars, and creates dozens of jobs.

Would society be better off with lower employment, fewer stores, fewer products, and less growth? Of course not.

But if we forced employee pay to rise with owner pay, or CEO pay, then the moment your pay doubled, the pay of your employees would go up enough to make the store un-profitable. If you are losing money on a store that cost $2 Million dollars to open.... why would you do it? It would be better for you to invest your money in the market, and earn an 8% return. Just don't build the store, don't hire the people, and relax collecting your dividends. Or you could invest in another country without stupid unprofitable rules.

Regardless, the result of such a system is less growth, and less wealth for the lower and middle class.

Third, you compare the US to 'europe' as if 'europe' is a valid comparison.

Now to clarify, I have no problem in evaluating specific policies in specific situations. But to compare "Europe" as if Europe was a monolithic body of countries with similar policies across similar cultures, is ridiculous.

Greece and Spain, are drastically different than France and Britain, which is very different than Sweden and Denmark.

All of these countries are drastically different.

For example, France is in the middle of a lower and middle class revolt. Yeah, the difference income between the rich and poor, is smaller in France. That's true. But is that good? Well look at the working people, and how they are reacting to their economy. They are protesting, and burning cars. Yes, the rich in France are not as rich.... but the poor are poorer.

This again is how you can tell that your ideology is based on Greed and Envy. When you see the lower class worse off, and think this is good, because the rich are worse off as well.... then you have an immoral basis for your policies.

However, if you look at Denmark and Sweden and such, there it is also true that the difference between the rich and poor are not as great as the US, but the reasons are entirely different. The rich in those countries are still exceptionally rich and wealthy. The difference is, the rest of the population has moved up to higher paying jobs.

And that's great. But it isn't due to economic policy. It is due to cultural values. Homogeneous culture, means people have similar values to succeed and advance. Swedens are more likely to get degrees and move into STEM fields which routinely pay more. Equally they have very low immigration, which means a smaller low-skill work force.

This is why McDonald's in Denmark, with zero minimum wage, pays $16/hour. The supply of low-skill labor is low. Supply and demand, pushes up wages.

If Denmark had a counter culture of minorities who do not move into degreed fields, and stem fields, and if Denmark had excessive immigration of low-skilled workers, then the difference between the rich and poor, would drastically increase.

 

[danielpalos]

Our welfare clause is general; why do we have problems instead of solutions?

 

[Rambunctious]

So you're saying that poor folks aren't entitled to healthcare? Aren't entitled to LIVE?

No that is not what I'm saying...you don't want healthcare assistance for just the poor...you want a single payer program so it feels free...but its not...in fact its more costly and short in quality....

All of the healthcare systems ranking ahead of American health care, are single payer, tax funded systems. Your system ranks around 34th. That's because only the rich get quality care.

Single payer costs SUBSTANTIALLY less than your for-profit system. For example, Canadian spend a little more than half of what Americans spend on health care, and our system is both rated more highly in world rankings, but we have longer life expectancy than Americans, even before yours started declining.

Our administration costs are 7%. Yours are in excess of 30%. Then there's the private insurance profit margin.

No one was concerned over our healthcare system before Obama...it ranked at the bottom of the list of things the people wanted fixed....the left has wanted to be in charge of our health care for decades and Obama gave it to them.....So I'm not surprised it ranks 34th after the dems fucked it up with Obamacare....