How We Use our Cars

DGS49

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In the past several months I'm seeing a ton of published material talking about why "you" should not buy one car or another, or why "you" should. But making general claims and giving advice on this basis is simply foolishness, and has no real value.

The. biggest target of course is EV's It should be obvious that EV's in general and specific EV's are designed to fill a customer's specific needs. If you have different needs, then it should be obvious that that vehicle was not made with you in mind, and why in the world would you publicly pronounce, "Hey, that car is useless to me!" Who gives a shit? Unless you have a place (typically a garage) where you can conveniently charge your EV over night, or alternatively, have a charger located conveniently for you (maybe where you work) and are willing to waste a bit of time there every couple days, then an EV Ain't for you. And let'w be completely candid here about Biden's fatuous declaration that ICE vehicles will no longer be available after 2030. The only thing that is assured is that Biden himself will have been planted by that time; but you will damn sure be able to buy an ICE car.

If you NEED a pickup truck for your business and you haul around a lot heavy stuff all day long, the Cyber Truck is probably not your choice. It has the power and payload you need, but accessing the bed from the side would be problematic, and small contractors need that ability. If you tow heavy loads long distances, again, maybe not for you. It will tow like hell - better than a Diesel - but the range is cut in half. The towing capacity of the C-T is intended for the person or family has something big and heavy that they tow occasionally. They take their boat to the lake and back once a year, or they tow their RV around the country once or twice a year. If this doesn't work for you, then get something else, and STFU about the Cyber Truck. Do you complain about ballet slippers that don't fit? No. They are not intended for you.

What about longevity in cars? Should you buy a Toyota or a Honda because it will last 10-12 years with no major problems? Maybe. But I (my wife, actually) only keep my cars for 3-4 years, and I don't really give a fuck what happens to them after I sell them. And because I don't buy that Camry or Accord, I don't get as much in trade when I sell my 4-year-old car, but I paid less for it at the outset, so so what?

I personally buy used cars with 30-40 thousand miles on them. I check sources like Consumer Reports to see what the problem areas are for that car, and before I close the deal I satisfy myself that any known issues are addressed. For example, I just bought a Dodge Journey, which has its battery positioned in a very awkward place, resulting in up to $500 to replace the battery. So I had the dealer provide me with a new battery as part of the deal. But again, I don't need that Journey to last 120,000 miles because it will be far off in my rear-view mirror by the time the odometer reaches that level. I will sell it at about 80 thousand miles.

I'm seeing regular articles now about how the "average" household cannot afford to buy a "typical" new car, the average price of which seems to have crept over $50 grand these days. But for a typical working class family that MUST buy a new car, there are tons of them in the high 20's and low 30's. Cars with hundred thousand mile factory warranties. Same for pickup trucks. People look at the sticker prices of these loaded up pickups and whine that the average cost for an F-150 is nearly 70 grand. Who cares? If you want a full-size pickup, look around. You can find one for forty. Maybe even buy a USED ONE! They do last forever, you know.

Parenthetically, my preferred type of vehicle - an extended cab, mid-sized pickup - has apparently been legislated out of existence. Maybe you can get one in a Tacoma, and they used to make the Colorado/Canyon that way, but no more. I suspect it might have something to do with their being compatible with kids' car seats. Regardless, a pickup with a six-foot bed and additional storage behind the seats that is protected from the elements (e.g., groceries) seems logical as hell to me, but the car buying public seems to have turned its back on them. It's the perfect vehicle for a golf venture.

When I read stories about houses and rentals that are becoming too expensive for Real People to afford them, there is probably some validity to that, but for vehicles, you can always find something in your budget that you can use.
 
In the past several months I'm seeing a ton of published material talking about why "you" should not buy one car or another, or why "you" should. But making general claims and giving advice on this basis is simply foolishness, and has no real value.

The. biggest target of course is EV's It should be obvious that EV's in general and specific EV's are designed to fill a customer's specific needs. If you have different needs, then it should be obvious that that vehicle was not made with you in mind, and why in the world would you publicly pronounce, "Hey, that car is useless to me!" Who gives a shit? Unless you have a place (typically a garage) where you can conveniently charge your EV over night, or alternatively, have a charger located conveniently for you (maybe where you work) and are willing to waste a bit of time there every couple days, then an EV Ain't for you. And let'w be completely candid here about Biden's fatuous declaration that ICE vehicles will no longer be available after 2030. The only thing that is assured is that Biden himself will have been planted by that time; but you will damn sure be able to buy an ICE car.

If you NEED a pickup truck for your business and you haul around a lot heavy stuff all day long, the Cyber Truck is probably not your choice. It has the power and payload you need, but accessing the bed from the side would be problematic, and small contractors need that ability. If you tow heavy loads long distances, again, maybe not for you. It will tow like hell - better than a Diesel - but the range is cut in half. The towing capacity of the C-T is intended for the person or family has something big and heavy that they tow occasionally. They take their boat to the lake and back once a year, or they tow their RV around the country once or twice a year. If this doesn't work for you, then get something else, and STFU about the Cyber Truck. Do you complain about ballet slippers that don't fit? No. They are not intended for you.

What about longevity in cars? Should you buy a Toyota or a Honda because it will last 10-12 years with no major problems? Maybe. But I (my wife, actually) only keep my cars for 3-4 years, and I don't really give a fuck what happens to them after I sell them. And because I don't buy that Camry or Accord, I don't get as much in trade when I sell my 4-year-old car, but I paid less for it at the outset, so so what?

I personally buy used cars with 30-40 thousand miles on them. I check sources like Consumer Reports to see what the problem areas are for that car, and before I close the deal I satisfy myself that any known issues are addressed. For example, I just bought a Dodge Journey, which has its battery positioned in a very awkward place, resulting in up to $500 to replace the battery. So I had the dealer provide me with a new battery as part of the deal. But again, I don't need that Journey to last 120,000 miles because it will be far off in my rear-view mirror by the time the odometer reaches that level. I will sell it at about 80 thousand miles.

I'm seeing regular articles now about how the "average" household cannot afford to buy a "typical" new car, the average price of which seems to have crept over $50 grand these days. But for a typical working class family that MUST buy a new car, there are tons of them in the high 20's and low 30's. Cars with hundred thousand mile factory warranties. Same for pickup trucks. People look at the sticker prices of these loaded up pickups and whine that the average cost for an F-150 is nearly 70 grand. Who cares? If you want a full-size pickup, look around. You can find one for forty. Maybe even buy a USED ONE! They do last forever, you know.

Parenthetically, my preferred type of vehicle - an extended cab, mid-sized pickup - has apparently been legislated out of existence. Maybe you can get one in a Tacoma, and they used to make the Colorado/Canyon that way, but no more. I suspect it might have something to do with their being compatible with kids' car seats. Regardless, a pickup with a six-foot bed and additional storage behind the seats that is protected from the elements (e.g., groceries) seems logical as hell to me, but the car buying public seems to have turned its back on them. It's the perfect vehicle for a golf venture.

When I read stories about houses and rentals that are becoming too expensive for Real People to afford them, there is probably some validity to that, but for vehicles, you can always find something in your budget that you can use.
/——/ I’m still waiting for Dementia Joe to drive his Vette to the junkyard and get it crushed to stop the climate from changing.
 
Yeah, you are probably right on that point.
/——/ 100% of convertible drivers don’t need a convertible, including me, but I’ve driven one most of my life including now.
Luckily it’s an age appropriate car.

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Bought myself a low mileage used Tundra.
Tow our camper or boat with it and is nice when I gotta carry work tools.
No worse on gas than the Hemi Jeep I just got rid of.
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Hopefully being a Toyota it will last me the 300K miles I plan to put on it.
 
Bought myself a low mileage used Tundra.
Tow our camper or boat with it and is nice when I gotta carry work tools.
No worse on gas than the Hemi Jeep I just got rid of.
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Hopefully being a Toyota it will last me the 300K miles I plan to put on it.
Wow a 4 ft bed.

If you're gonna get a truck get a truck not an SUV withe part of the roof cut off
 
Wow a 4 ft bed.

If you're gonna get a truck get a truck not an SUV withe part of the roof cut off
5.6 foot bed.
I drove an SUV the last 25 years.
This is perfect as the big cab holds plenty of gear to keep dry and the back I can put the generator for the camper with the gas cans without having them inside the vehicle like I had to with an SUV. Perfect mix between SUV and puckup.
Don't need a big bed because I have a trailer for hauling big shit.

Works for me and that's the point of the thread.
I didn't buy it for your needs.
 
Bought myself a low mileage used Tundra.
Tow our camper or boat with it and is nice when I gotta carry work tools.
No worse on gas than the Hemi Jeep I just got rid of.
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Hopefully being a Toyota it will last me the 300K miles I plan to put on it.

Cool color...
 
have big trucks and trailers already. I would like to have a small van, about the size of a Ford Transit Connect, but I don't need a new one for something that won't get more than 3,000 miles a year on it, but I'm leery of the older Transit Connects with more than 90K miles on them, due to their history of transmission issues, worse in some years than others. If I have to put a new trans in one, like a 2014 or so, I wouldn't want to pay more than $9K or $10K to allow about $3,500 or so for a new trans; about $13 to $14 K is about all those would be worth having tied up in. I would rip out the back seats if I found one in that range but it wasn't a two seater cargo van.

I found an 2014 XLT for $13K, but it's too fancy for my needs and I doubt they will come down on it. No luck finding a cargo version that wasn't beat to shit and had close to 200K and more on them, ridiculously over-priced of course.
 
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Everybody needs a pickup truck. Sometimes.

And that's the rub. What about the other 362 days of the year?

So do you rent one, borrow one, or make do with a large SUV? My recent choice is to just have my shit delivered and pay the extra $50.
 
No, I'd say that 90% of pickup owners don't need a pickup.
I do. I've had a pickup for decades. I use it for firewood collecting, taking our garbage to the dump twice yearly (we compost most of our garbage, and recycle all metal in house) and picking up materials for my various building projects.
 
Bought myself a low mileage used Tundra.
Tow our camper or boat with it and is nice when I gotta carry work tools.
No worse on gas than the Hemi Jeep I just got rid of.
View attachment 890769
Hopefully being a Toyota it will last me the 300K miles I plan to put on it.
Which hemi jeep did you have?
 

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