Engineer: Trump's wall is implausible

[Publius1787]

here you go Luddley , what would it take to build the border wall . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- lots of wall talk on the board today .

Cant we just hire some retired rednecks on the cheap and have them sit in lawn chairs, drink beer, and call the border patrol when they spot something?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible

There are very few occasions in American political discourse that require the input of a structural engineer, but when Donald Trump took a question from Univision’s Jorge Ramos regarding his proposed United States-Mexico border wall at a press conference on August 25, I heard the clarion call:


RAMOS: How are you going to build a 1,900-mile wall?
TRUMP: Very easy. I’m a builder. That’s easy. I build buildings that are — can I tell you what’s more complicated? What’s more complicated is building a building that’s 95 stories tall. Okay?


No. Donald Trump is not a builder. Donald Trump could not build a doghouse. Donald Trump is a developer who pays what he would call “very, very smart people” to build things on his behalf. His response to Ramos’ question was meant both to exaggerate his understanding of construction and to downplay the challenges posed by his border wall project.

The challenge of Trump’s border wall is not technical, but logistical. The leap in complexity between “building a wall” and “building a 2,000-mile-long continuous border wall in the desert” is about equal to the gap between “killing a guy” and “waging a protracted land war.” Trump’s border wall, if built as he has described it, would be one of the largest civil works projects in the history of the country and would face an array of challenges not found when constructing 95-story skyscrapers.

Trumpery has no intention of "building a wall" but this thread is about the logistics of this fantastical project. John Oliver's segment explained many of the same things but this is more detailed. Even fans of Trumpery's trumpery will see why most people laugh at the idea of The Great Trump Wall.

I do not need to read your thread to say Trump can build all the walls he want and that same contractor that built the wall would build the tunnels for free...

The Wall is stupid and fixing the economy and corruption in Mexico would do more to stem the illegal immigration but let not discuss something that take thinking!

The wall would fix the economy and corruption IN Mexico idiot.
The Mexican government would be forced to deal with its own problems and people.

Alright, the true idiot is you if you believe the wall would fix anything. The only fool believe no one would tunnel under it, so how foolish are you?

Also it would not fix any economy and also how would Trump force Mexico pay for it without the help of Congress?

Do you believe the Senate would not fall this election?

Of course you are that foolish and ignorant because you believe the last few elections is a trend to you, but I am not as foolish because the American public is as retarded as anyone that believe Trump will get his wishes accomplished...

The wall will not happen and if you disagree then tell me how the sections of walls that are already built are doing, and then tell me how many tunnels have been found?

Oh the reality that idiots never want to understand!

Now do not get upset at me for using the word idiot to describe you because if you can toss it out then own it, but alas you will be offended like so many that love to be insulting but never want to be insulted back!

 

[idb]

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible

There are very few occasions in American political discourse that require the input of a structural engineer, but when Donald Trump took a question from Univision’s Jorge Ramos regarding his proposed United States-Mexico border wall at a press conference on August 25, I heard the clarion call:


RAMOS: How are you going to build a 1,900-mile wall?
TRUMP: Very easy. I’m a builder. That’s easy. I build buildings that are — can I tell you what’s more complicated? What’s more complicated is building a building that’s 95 stories tall. Okay?


No. Donald Trump is not a builder. Donald Trump could not build a doghouse. Donald Trump is a developer who pays what he would call “very, very smart people” to build things on his behalf. His response to Ramos’ question was meant both to exaggerate his understanding of construction and to downplay the challenges posed by his border wall project.

The challenge of Trump’s border wall is not technical, but logistical. The leap in complexity between “building a wall” and “building a 2,000-mile-long continuous border wall in the desert” is about equal to the gap between “killing a guy” and “waging a protracted land war.” Trump’s border wall, if built as he has described it, would be one of the largest civil works projects in the history of the country and would face an array of challenges not found when constructing 95-story skyscrapers.

Trumpery has no intention of "building a wall" but this thread is about the logistics of this fantastical project. John Oliver's segment explained many of the same things but this is more detailed. Even fans of Trumpery's trumpery will see why most people laugh at the idea of The Great Trump Wall.

Here in the 21st century we can't build a wall?
Good thing the Chinese didn't hear that 2,700 years ago.
Israel built a 500 mile wall. Hardly an engineering feat.

Moreover we aren't even asking that they make it out of stone. In fact we aren't even requiring that we can walk on the wall. Nor are we asking that it span 13,000 miles. I could go behind a Home Depot, hire a few illegals, and have it done in record speed at a fraction of the cost before I shoved them over to the other side of the wall.

That reminds me of Donald's $3 websites.
Donald Trump and His $3 Website

It does? Good, now tell me something else that has nothing to do with the merits of the argument presented in the Op. Indeed, we'll make it all about what you want to talk about.

All of a sudden you're sensitive about the subject being changed?

 

[pismoe]

these anti wall people are pretty fos , no honest discussion can take place .

 

[Publius1787]

So why are you buying into the idea mankind can't do what they did 2,700 years ago?

I'm not.

I have no doubt that we could build a 12K mile wall over a period of more than 2000 years.

With todays equipment and materials, I'm fairly sure we could build one in far less time.

Weatherman was talking about a wall that did indeed take 2000 years to build. There is no comparison between the two.

So why are you buying into the idea mankind can't do what they did 2,700 years ago?

I'm not.

I have no doubt that we could build a 12K mile wall over a period of more than 2000 years.

Obviously your under 35. No imagination, education or ambition.

My WHAT is under 35?
I'm twice that, well educated and ambitious enough to have worked since I was 13 and am now comfortably retired.

Its the Trumpery followers who don't have the gumption to address even one point in the links.

If the engineer made any points you highlighted none of them. You simply said "Look, he's an engineer," and pointed at some ad-homonyms. According to your very own op the engineer made no points. Don't ask someone to argue against what doesn't exist.

No, I did not say
"Look, he's an engineer".
Nor did I attack anyone's grammar or spelling.

The engineer made his points. Not one of the a trump fans has the integrity or courage to address any of them.

Step 1. Get funding
Step 2. Make a phone call. Better yet, call these guys. United States Army Corps of Engineers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .
Step 3. Supervise
Step 4. Laugh at you.

And then there's this jerk ^^ who lives in LaLaLand.

Stop humping Trumpery's leg and have the courage and integrity to address the points in the links.

I'll check back to see if any of you could but I doubt it.

The points in the links? It's your job to make the points of your own argument. What kind of academic laziness is this? Your essentially saying "Trumps an asshole because, cause, cause, well, read the damn link." Funny though, I thought liberals loved massive job creating stimulus projects. I guess they don't when it prevents possible future welfare recipient democrat voters into the U.S.

IOW, you can't understand the facts and schematics either.

I apologize for posting something that is so far over the heads of the trumpkins.

G'night kiddies.

Oh? You got wall schematics? Do show!! I'd ask for facts but they seem to be in short supply. I'd be willing to view one of your schematics on how you intend to find some more facts.

 

[Publius1787]

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible

There are very few occasions in American political discourse that require the input of a structural engineer, but when Donald Trump took a question from Univision’s Jorge Ramos regarding his proposed United States-Mexico border wall at a press conference on August 25, I heard the clarion call:


RAMOS: How are you going to build a 1,900-mile wall?
TRUMP: Very easy. I’m a builder. That’s easy. I build buildings that are — can I tell you what’s more complicated? What’s more complicated is building a building that’s 95 stories tall. Okay?


No. Donald Trump is not a builder. Donald Trump could not build a doghouse. Donald Trump is a developer who pays what he would call “very, very smart people” to build things on his behalf. His response to Ramos’ question was meant both to exaggerate his understanding of construction and to downplay the challenges posed by his border wall project.

The challenge of Trump’s border wall is not technical, but logistical. The leap in complexity between “building a wall” and “building a 2,000-mile-long continuous border wall in the desert” is about equal to the gap between “killing a guy” and “waging a protracted land war.” Trump’s border wall, if built as he has described it, would be one of the largest civil works projects in the history of the country and would face an array of challenges not found when constructing 95-story skyscrapers.

Trumpery has no intention of "building a wall" but this thread is about the logistics of this fantastical project. John Oliver's segment explained many of the same things but this is more detailed. Even fans of Trumpery's trumpery will see why most people laugh at the idea of The Great Trump Wall.

Here in the 21st century we can't build a wall?
Good thing the Chinese didn't hear that 2,700 years ago.
Israel built a 500 mile wall. Hardly an engineering feat.

Moreover we aren't even asking that they make it out of stone. In fact we aren't even requiring that we can walk on the wall. Nor are we asking that it span 13,000 miles. I could go behind a Home Depot, hire a few illegals, and have it done in record speed at a fraction of the cost before I shoved them over to the other side of the wall.

That reminds me of Donald's $3 websites.
Donald Trump and His $3 Website

It does? Good, now tell me something else that has nothing to do with the merits of the argument presented in the Op. Indeed, we'll make it all about what you want to talk about.

All of a sudden you're sensitive about the subject being changed?

I wouldn't call it sensitive. You set out the bait and I didn't bite. End of story.

 

[pismoe]

here you go Luddley , what would it take to build the border wall . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- lots of wall talk on the board today .

Cant we just hire some retired rednecks on the cheap and have them sit in lawn chairs, drink beer, and call the border patrol when they spot something?

------------------------------------ and another foolish person chimes in , thankyou Publius .

 

[ScienceRocks]

China built a longer wall!

 

[Publius1787]

here you go Luddley , what would it take to build the border wall . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- lots of wall talk on the board today .

Cant we just hire some retired rednecks on the cheap and have them sit in lawn chairs, drink beer, and call the border patrol when they spot something?

------------------------------------ and another foolish person chimes in , thankyou Publius .

Your welcome, I would have suggested land mines but I was afraid that they could endanger the local wildlife. I know how sensitive liberals are to the animals. It just goes to show you how I'm willing to compromise on the tough issues.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Roman Coliseum in Rome was built in 5 years over 2,000 years ago.

Why are you working so hard to change the subject?

I mean, surely you are smart enough to know that's a completely different subject. Right?

Address the points in the links and stop trying to derail the thread.

One construction project vs another seems quite fair. Lets see, idiots just like you said...
The Panama canal was IMPOSSIBLE.
The Hoover damn was IMPOSSIBLE.
Going to the moon was IMPOSSIBLE.

All claimed by small minded idiots who hated America and Americans.

All things that government did! Also ad the settlement of the new world as a government funded idea!

 

[idb]

Here in the 21st century we can't build a wall?
Good thing the Chinese didn't hear that 2,700 years ago.
Israel built a 500 mile wall. Hardly an engineering feat.

Moreover we aren't even asking that they make it out of stone. In fact we aren't even requiring that we can walk on the wall. Nor are we asking that it span 13,000 miles. I could go behind a Home Depot, hire a few illegals, and have it done in record speed at a fraction of the cost before I shoved them over to the other side of the wall.

That reminds me of Donald's $3 websites.
Donald Trump and His $3 Website

It does? Good, now tell me something else that has nothing to do with the merits of the argument presented in the Op. Indeed, we'll make it all about what you want to talk about.

All of a sudden you're sensitive about the subject being changed?

I wouldn't call it sensitive. You set out the bait and I didn't bite. End of story.

Thank you for taking so much time out of your busy day to explain how you're not sensitive...nor biting.

 

[Publius1787]

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible

There are very few occasions in American political discourse that require the input of a structural engineer, but when Donald Trump took a question from Univision’s Jorge Ramos regarding his proposed United States-Mexico border wall at a press conference on August 25, I heard the clarion call:


RAMOS: How are you going to build a 1,900-mile wall?
TRUMP: Very easy. I’m a builder. That’s easy. I build buildings that are — can I tell you what’s more complicated? What’s more complicated is building a building that’s 95 stories tall. Okay?


No. Donald Trump is not a builder. Donald Trump could not build a doghouse. Donald Trump is a developer who pays what he would call “very, very smart people” to build things on his behalf. His response to Ramos’ question was meant both to exaggerate his understanding of construction and to downplay the challenges posed by his border wall project.

The challenge of Trump’s border wall is not technical, but logistical. The leap in complexity between “building a wall” and “building a 2,000-mile-long continuous border wall in the desert” is about equal to the gap between “killing a guy” and “waging a protracted land war.” Trump’s border wall, if built as he has described it, would be one of the largest civil works projects in the history of the country and would face an array of challenges not found when constructing 95-story skyscrapers.

Trumpery has no intention of "building a wall" but this thread is about the logistics of this fantastical project. John Oliver's segment explained many of the same things but this is more detailed. Even fans of Trumpery's trumpery will see why most people laugh at the idea of The Great Trump Wall.

I do not need to read your thread to say Trump can build all the walls he want and that same contractor that built the wall would build the tunnels for free...

The Wall is stupid and fixing the economy and corruption in Mexico would do more to stem the illegal immigration but let not discuss something that take thinking!

The wall would fix the economy and corruption IN Mexico idiot.
The Mexican government would be forced to deal with its own problems and people.

Alright, the true idiot is you if you believe the wall would fix anything. The only fool believe no one would tunnel under it, so how foolish are you?

Also it would not fix any economy and also how would Trump force Mexico pay for it without the help of Congress?

Do you believe the Senate would not fall this election?

Of course you are that foolish and ignorant because you believe the last few elections is a trend to you, but I am not as foolish because the American public is as retarded as anyone that believe Trump will get his wishes accomplished...

The wall will not happen and if you disagree then tell me how the sections of walls that are already built are doing, and then tell me how many tunnels have been found?

Oh the reality that idiots never want to understand!

Now do not get upset at me for using the word idiot to describe you because if you can toss it out then own it, but alas you will be offended like so many that love to be insulting but never want to be insulted back!

You reckon there might be some sort of technology out there that can monitor man made vibrations in the ground?

 

[Publius1787]

Moreover we aren't even asking that they make it out of stone. In fact we aren't even requiring that we can walk on the wall. Nor are we asking that it span 13,000 miles. I could go behind a Home Depot, hire a few illegals, and have it done in record speed at a fraction of the cost before I shoved them over to the other side of the wall.

That reminds me of Donald's $3 websites.
Donald Trump and His $3 Website

It does? Good, now tell me something else that has nothing to do with the merits of the argument presented in the Op. Indeed, we'll make it all about what you want to talk about.

All of a sudden you're sensitive about the subject being changed?

I wouldn't call it sensitive. You set out the bait and I didn't bite. End of story.

Thank you for taking so much time out of your busy day to explain how you're not sensitive...nor biting.

Oh yeah, anything I can do to help.

 

[idb]

China built a longer wall!

It'd be a great bit of infrastructure!

 

[Publius1787]

China built a longer wall!

It'd be a great bit of infrastructure!

This is an Obama stimulus project wet dream. I don't see the problem. Aside from the fact that it could deny the opportunity of potentially millions of welfare ridden former illegals voting for Democrats.

 

[jasonnfree]

here you go Luddley , what would it take to build the border wall . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- lots of wall talk on the board today .

Cant we just hire some retired rednecks on the cheap and have them sit in lawn chairs, drink beer, and call the border patrol when they spot something?

Not a bad idea. Maybe have the seats elevated, one seat every quarter mile or so.

 

[idb]

China built a longer wall!

It'd be a great bit of infrastructure!

This is an Obama stimulus project wet dream. I don't see the problem. Aside from the fact that it could deny the opportunity of potentially millions of welfare ridden former illegals voting for Democrats.

Also aside from the fact that it would prevent all those 'welfare ridden former illegals' from leaving the US back to Mexico.

"More Mexican immigrants are leaving the United States than coming to work here."
Mexican migrants are heading back home — and that's bad news for the U.S. economy

 

[Publius1787]

here you go Luddley , what would it take to build the border wall . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- lots of wall talk on the board today .

Cant we just hire some retired rednecks on the cheap and have them sit in lawn chairs, drink beer, and call the border patrol when they spot something?

Not a bad idea. Maybe have the seats elevated, one seat every quarter mile or so.

Like a beach lifeguard. I'd give them rifles but the combination of beer and guns would perhaps lead to some innocent American with a really good tan getting shot. Wait, we could pay them in beer!! See, we're forming a plan.

 

[Publius1787]

y

China built a longer wall!

It'd be a great bit of infrastructure!

This is an Obama stimulus project wet dream. I don't see the problem. Aside from the fact that it could deny the opportunity of potentially millions of welfare ridden former illegals voting for Democrats.

Also aside from the fact that it would prevent all those 'welfare ridden former illegals' from leaving the US back to Mexico.

"More Mexican immigrants are leaving the United States than coming to work here."
Mexican migrants are heading back home — and that's bad news for the U.S. economy

SOLVED!!! A one way turn about gate. We should install them every half mile or so. You know, for their convenience.

 

[jasonnfree]

here you go Luddley , what would it take to build the border wall . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- lots of wall talk on the board today .

Cant we just hire some retired rednecks on the cheap and have them sit in lawn chairs, drink beer, and call the border patrol when they spot something?

Not a bad idea. Maybe have the seats elevated, one seat every quarter mile or so.

Like a beach lifeguard. I'd give them rifles but the combination of beer and guns would perhaps lead to some innocent American with a really good tan getting shot. Wait, we could pay them in beer!! See, we're forming a plan.

I was thinking of military guys. if we can afford to protect south koreas border....