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The left would love two viable conservative parties.
The left would love two viable conservative parties.
The left would love two viable conservative parties.
Why exactly should right wing libertarians be Republican, when the Libertarian Party closer supports their views? What steps did Bush take to shrink government, ala the Constitutional party? Did Bush close our borders, as desired by the White Socialists?
Rules fight sparks drama at RNC – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
The days-long fight reached climax just hours after the Tuesday RNC session began, with supporters of the rules cheering their adoption and opponents booing against them. Moments before, some delegates even laid out angry – yet unsubstantiated – claims of meddling to keep some delegates away from a committee vote.
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At issue: two rules dubbed Rule 16 and Rule 12.
The first is a compromise of an earlier proposal, named Rule 15, that was vehemently opposed by many grassroots activists, including many Ron Paul supporters. It addresses delegate selection in future Republican presidential primaries – instituting stronger enforcement mechanisms to compel delegates to vote as they are bound by their states. In the original proposal, future presidential candidates would have had veto power over who could become a delegate.
The second rule concerns the RNC's ability to change its rules in between its conventions.
Both rules were adopted on the convention floor by a voice vote. Former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu, chairman of the Rules Committee and a top surrogate for Romney, presented the rules. House Speaker John Boehner held the audible floor vote to adopt them.
Though the voices "for" and "against" sounded about the same, Boehner declared: "The ayes have it."...
Calling it a "controversial rule change" that is "so very disappointing," Palin added: "It's a direct attack on grassroots activists by the GOP establishment, and it must be rejected."
Some delegates reacted angrily to the committee passage of Rule 16.
"This takes us away from state sovereignty," said Colorado delegate Florence Sebern. "It takes us away from local control in our states. And it moves us towards, as a Republican Party, central control and top-down decisions. That's what this is."
"Are we the Republican Party?" she added.
"My inbox blew up. I had over 8,000 Coloradans emailing and calling me saying, 'Stand firm on these two issues.'"
Her anger was backed up by others outside the convention. Many grassroots activists, including tea party sponsor FreedomWorks, urged opposition to the rules.
Julianne Thompson, a national Romney delegate and a Georgia State Coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots, wrote an open letter to RNC Chairman Reince Priebus and members of the Rules Committee.
"With your current attempt at this rules change, you are essentially striking the first blow that chips away at that freedom, and you disenfranchise the very people that turned the tide for the GOP in 2010 by returning power in the U.S. House of Representatives to Republicans," Thompson wrote....
Romney attorney Ben Ginsburg – a Washington D.C. delegate – spoke about the rule.
"It's a great compromise," Ginsburg said. "It brings the party together. Some of the grassroots activists told us they had concerns about [the original proposal.] They were valid concerns. We were able to work out a compromise."
When pressed about lingering grassroots opposition to it, Ginsberg said:
"The vote was 78-14. It had the overwhelming support of the committee."
"I'm sorry we can't please everybody."
Can't please everybody? They did not even try to give opponents an equal say in what wen on and even pulled shenanigans that amount to kidnapping to prevent opponents from organizing their opposition effectively.
The pure fascist side of Romney and the GOPe is plain and unavoidable.
Grassroots TPM and social conservatives must start a new party. Romney is dead and even if he wins he is no better than Obama, forget all the spin, partisan bullshit and nonsense. Obama is NOT a Kenyan Communist Manchurian candidate. That is nothing more than stupid bullshit lies to keep the stupid inside the GOP.
It is over, fold up the chairs, turn out the lights and start planning for a third party run by TPM and social conservatives in 2016.
Fuck these god damned Wall Street Republicans and their fucking lobbyists.
There are dozens of third parties. Go start another, or join one and help build it. Just stop whining about it.
Yes it would. The right should have made some concessions and made sure they could still contend.The left would love two viable conservative parties.
Even with the curtain being pulled back on the Republican Party this week, I still think Romney is going to win in November. Won't make a fucking bit of difference, he works for Goldman-Sachs just like Obama.
Americans are fucked regardless...
The left would love two viable conservative parties.
Why exactly should right wing libertarians be Republican, when the Libertarian Party closer supports their views? What steps did Bush take to shrink government, ala the Constitutional party? Did Bush close our borders, as desired by the White Socialists?
I plan to vote Libertarian this election or write in Ron Paul.
Romney's heavy handed machine thuggery makes me sick to even contemplate voting for that lying theif.
The answer is divided government. The proof is the fiscal cliff, action w/o anyone's fingerprints. No one will donate to a 3rd party. The closest thing I've seen is the TEA Party. So join the TEA Party, or vote Libertarian.
Back in 2008 when Bob Barr started hitting around 10% in some state polls, the GOP and Dems who now control and own the Presidential debates, changed the threshold for participating in those debates from 10% polling to 15% polling.
Plenty of social conservatives, Christian libertarians and TPM will contribute to a new third party based on those values.
You are making the same cow noises as those that are the top of the ramp looking out longingly at freedom lost and about to be shot in the head, bled, skinned and butchered.
The time to act on your freedom is not at the door of the slaughterhouse.
Why exactly should right wing libertarians be Republican, when the Libertarian Party closer supports their views? What steps did Bush take to shrink government, ala the Constitutional party? Did Bush close our borders, as desired by the White Socialists?
I plan to vote Libertarian this election or write in Ron Paul.
Romney's heavy handed machine thuggery makes me sick to even contemplate voting for that lying theif.
So why isn't your chosen third party hitting back. The Greens were able to fuck up the 2000 election. I think you're just a whiner.
No... I don't jest. They shouldn't have done that. They should have given concessions to it's voting base to make a stronger party.Yes it would. The right should have made some concessions and made sure they could still contend.The left would love two viable conservative parties.
How is someone supposed to make reasonable compromises with people that will kidnap your leaders by buying off bus drivers to keep circling the convention center and not letting them get out?
How do you engage in a 'unity effort' with people who ignore your support by scripting in the elite side winning a voice vote that had the winner already decided?
Surely you jest.
I plan to vote Libertarian this election or write in Ron Paul.
Romney's heavy handed machine thuggery makes me sick to even contemplate voting for that lying theif.
So why isn't your chosen third party hitting back. The Greens were able to fuck up the 2000 election. I think you're just a whiner.
Fine call me a whiner, I dont give a shit.
I will continue to point out the duopoly that runs our political system and remind conservatives that the GOP is run by people who think that they are a bunch of stupid rubes, and if the conservatives vote for the GOPe annointed liar and theif in charge then they CONFIRM that they are stupid rubes.
I choose to be a whiner than a bendover and take it up the ass guy any day of the week.
There is no genuinely populist third party. There is a fringe with a smattering of support. The reason why they are prohibited from entering venues is because they are disruptive to the majority. If the third party fringe just accepted that they are no more than a handful and acted accordingly they could go wherever they wished.
There is no genuinely populist third party. There is a fringe with a smattering of support. The reason why they are prohibited from entering venues is because they are disruptive to the majority. If the third party fringe just accepted that they are no more than a handful and acted accordingly they could go wherever they wished.
There is no genuinely populist third party. There is a fringe with a smattering of support. The reason why they are prohibited from entering venues is because they are disruptive to the majority. If the third party fringe just accepted that they are no more than a handful and acted accordingly they could go wherever they wished.
Perot fucked his Reform Party. Nader fucked his Green Party. Anderson fucked over his Independent Party.
I had nothing to do with it. They offered an alternative. Why did they implode?
Back in 2008 when Bob Barr started hitting around 10% in some state polls, the GOP and Dems who now control and own the Presidential debates, changed the threshold for participating in those debates from 10% polling to 15% polling.
Plenty of social conservatives, Christian libertarians and TPM will contribute to a new third party based on those values.
You are making the same cow noises as those that are the top of the ramp looking out longingly at freedom lost and about to be shot in the head, bled, skinned and butchered.
The time to act on your freedom is not at the door of the slaughterhouse.
Dont know what cow noises you are hearing, but I was simply pointing out the track record of fraud.
How do we change the present if we cant refer to past events that brought us to the present circumstances? That is not whining or making cow noises, that is a necesary part to making change.
There is no genuinely populist third party. There is a fringe with a smattering of support. The reason why they are prohibited from entering venues is because they are disruptive to the majority. If the third party fringe just accepted that they are no more than a handful and acted accordingly they could go wherever they wished.
The fact that you support 'prohibiting' shows just what kind of authoritarian prick you are. The 1st Amendment is in effect ALL the time, you don't check it at the door when you enter politics. Any party that cannot forbear voices of dissent is a party that is not worth being a member of, because they do not honor the Constitution they have SWORN to uphold.
Fucking imbeciles, the whole damned lot of you!!
Eh... They walked out.There is no genuinely populist third party. There is a fringe with a smattering of support. The reason why they are prohibited from entering venues is because they are disruptive to the majority. If the third party fringe just accepted that they are no more than a handful and acted accordingly they could go wherever they wished.
The fact that you support 'prohibiting' shows just what kind of authoritarian prick you are. The 1st Amendment is in effect ALL the time, you don't check it at the door when you enter politics. Any party that cannot forbear voices of dissent is a party that is not worth being a member of, because they do not honor the Constitution they have SWORN to uphold.
Fucking imbeciles, the whole damned lot of you!!
There is no right to disrupt the legally convened assemblies of others. It is not free speech it is being disruptive.
There is no genuinely populist third party. There is a fringe with a smattering of support. The reason why they are prohibited from entering venues is because they are disruptive to the majority. If the third party fringe just accepted that they are no more than a handful and acted accordingly they could go wherever they wished.
Perot fucked his Reform Party. Nader fucked his Green Party. Anderson fucked over his Independent Party.
I had nothing to do with it. They offered an alternative. Why did they implode?
Wrong, the Duopoly fucked ALL of them. When you own the media you can destroy ANYONE that threatens your hold on power. That's exactly what happened to those who 'bucked the system'. That's exactly what WILL happen to whomever tries to buck it again.
Or wasn't the destruction of Ron Paul enough of an example to you?
