End the GOP-Dem Duopoly and Start a NEW Party; Else There is NO Choice 4 Change

[Dick Tuck]

Yup.

So why is Ron Paul sucking the left over spooge? Shouldn't he be building a twentyisth party?

 

[Shelzin]

Yup.

So why is Ron Paul sucking the left over spooge? Shouldn't he be building a twentyisth party?

Yeah... Getting the media to pay attention to a third party isn't the easiest thing to do in the world. But there are a shit load of people who agree with him, that didn't know they agreed with him because... The media paying attention to a third party isn't bloody likely.

There's good news. It shouldn't be that big of a problem next election.

 

[paulitician]

Yup.

So why is Ron Paul sucking the left over spooge? Shouldn't he be building a twentyisth party?

His son will now grab the reigns for the cause of Freedom & Liberty. The Good Doctor fought the good fight for many many years. He's a tired elderly Statesman now. He deserves the rest. Anyone who truly believes in Freedom & Liberty, owes the man an immense amount of gratitude.

And now his son will begin to change the Republican Party from the inside. And that's exactly what Ron Paul has tried to do for so many years. A viable Third Party just isn't an option. Ron Paul fully understood that. The Republican Party is being re-made. But it's going to take a long time. And the Good Doctor will surely be missed.

 

[GuyPinestra]

There is no genuinely populist third party. There is a fringe with a smattering of support. The reason why they are prohibited from entering venues is because they are disruptive to the majority. If the third party fringe just accepted that they are no more than a handful and acted accordingly they could go wherever they wished.

The fact that you support 'prohibiting' shows just what kind of authoritarian prick you are. The 1st Amendment is in effect ALL the time, you don't check it at the door when you enter politics. Any party that cannot forbear voices of dissent is a party that is not worth being a member of, because they do not honor the Constitution they have SWORN to uphold.

Fucking imbeciles, the whole damned lot of you!!

There is no right to disrupt the legally convened assemblies of others. It is not free speech it is being disruptive.

Fuck you, you authoritarian prick! Those people were legally there as duly elected representatives of their state party. They were a part of that 'legally convened assembly', you fucking idiot!

Go ahead and type something else to demonstrate to the rest of us just how stupid you really are. You're giving TruthSplatters a run for her money!

 

[Charles_Main]

Rules fight sparks drama at RNC – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

The days-long fight reached climax just hours after the Tuesday RNC session began, with supporters of the rules cheering their adoption and opponents booing against them. Moments before, some delegates even laid out angry – yet unsubstantiated – claims of meddling to keep some delegates away from a committee vote.


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At issue: two rules dubbed Rule 16 and Rule 12.

The first is a compromise of an earlier proposal, named Rule 15, that was vehemently opposed by many grassroots activists, including many Ron Paul supporters. It addresses delegate selection in future Republican presidential primaries – instituting stronger enforcement mechanisms to compel delegates to vote as they are bound by their states. In the original proposal, future presidential candidates would have had veto power over who could become a delegate.

The second rule concerns the RNC's ability to change its rules in between its conventions.

Both rules were adopted on the convention floor by a voice vote. Former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu, chairman of the Rules Committee and a top surrogate for Romney, presented the rules. House Speaker John Boehner held the audible floor vote to adopt them.

Though the voices "for" and "against" sounded about the same, Boehner declared: "The ayes have it."...

Calling it a "controversial rule change" that is "so very disappointing," Palin added: "It's a direct attack on grassroots activists by the GOP establishment, and it must be rejected."

Some delegates reacted angrily to the committee passage of Rule 16.

"This takes us away from state sovereignty," said Colorado delegate Florence Sebern. "It takes us away from local control in our states. And it moves us towards, as a Republican Party, central control and top-down decisions. That's what this is."

"Are we the Republican Party?" she added.

"My inbox blew up. I had over 8,000 Coloradans emailing and calling me saying, 'Stand firm on these two issues.'"

Her anger was backed up by others outside the convention. Many grassroots activists, including tea party sponsor FreedomWorks, urged opposition to the rules.

Julianne Thompson, a national Romney delegate and a Georgia State Coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots, wrote an open letter to RNC Chairman Reince Priebus and members of the Rules Committee.

"With your current attempt at this rules change, you are essentially striking the first blow that chips away at that freedom, and you disenfranchise the very people that turned the tide for the GOP in 2010 by returning power in the U.S. House of Representatives to Republicans," Thompson wrote....

Romney attorney Ben Ginsburg – a Washington D.C. delegate – spoke about the rule.

"It's a great compromise," Ginsburg said. "It brings the party together. Some of the grassroots activists told us they had concerns about [the original proposal.] They were valid concerns. We were able to work out a compromise."

When pressed about lingering grassroots opposition to it, Ginsberg said:

"The vote was 78-14. It had the overwhelming support of the committee."

"I'm sorry we can't please everybody."

Can't please everybody? They did not even try to give opponents an equal say in what wen on and even pulled shenanigans that amount to kidnapping to prevent opponents from organizing their opposition effectively.

The pure fascist side of Romney and the GOPe is plain and unavoidable.

Grassroots TPM and social conservatives must start a new party. Romney is dead and even if he wins he is no better than Obama, forget all the spin, partisan bullshit and nonsense. Obama is NOT a Kenyan Communist Manchurian candidate. That is nothing more than stupid bullshit lies to keep the stupid inside the GOP.

It is over, fold up the chairs, turn out the lights and start planning for a third party run by TPM and social conservatives in 2016.

Fuck these god damned Wall Street Republicans and their fucking lobbyists.

The Problem is we the People have little Power to establish another party, the GOP and DEMS have rigged the game so they control who gets a chance to sit at the table.

I don't think there is a Non Violent way for us to break that power grasp they share willingly.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Perot fucked his Reform Party. Nader fucked his Green Party. Anderson fucked over his Independent Party.

I had nothing to do with it. They offered an alternative. Why did they implode?

Wrong, the Duopoly fucked ALL of them. When you own the media you can destroy ANYONE that threatens your hold on power. That's exactly what happened to those who 'bucked the system'. That's exactly what WILL happen to whomever tries to buck it again.

Or wasn't the destruction of Ron Paul enough of an example to you?

So you claim that the third parties were too weak to fight back? Sounds like you support the losers. How many states have Libertarian, Constitutional, White Socialists, Reform, etc., candidates on their ballots. Most did, and didn't get anyone to vote for them. Ross "fucking insane" Perot was on 48 ballots, and didn't win shit.

I think you're another piece of shit whiner.

I guess it's a good thing that your uninformed opinion matters not one whit, eh Dick Suck?

It's not about being 'too weak to fight back', either. It's more about the behind the scenes threats and intimidation that makes these 3rd party runs 'go away'.

Or are you another sleeping sheep that doesn't yet realize that the entire system has been sold to multi-national corporations that literally HATE the Constitution that was written to keep them OUT of power.

 

[paulitician]

Sad to say, but a viable Third Party just isn't an option. The System is far too entrenched and corrupt for that to happen. The two Political Parties thoroughly control the MSM. Dr. Paul has fully understood this. The best one can hope for, is that his son and others change the Republican Party from the inside. And i'm actually optimistic about that happening. The cause of Freedom & Liberty is very powerful. And many more Americans are catching on. There is hope.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Sad to say, but a viable Third Party just isn't an option. The System is far too entrenched and corrupt for that to happen. The two Political Parties thoroughly control the MSM. Dr. Paul has fully understood this. The best one can hope for, is that his son and others change the Republican Party from the inside. And i'm actually optimistic about that happening. The cause of Freedom & Liberty is very powerful. And many more Americans are catching on. There is hope.

Yes, there is hope, but there is VERY little time...

 

[Dot Com]

End the GOP-Dem Duopoly and Start a NEW Party; Else There is NO Choice 4 Change

This is true. Basically diff sides of the same coin. Repubs are worse however in that they wanted to put the gov't up for sale to the highest bidder which they did (Citizens United)

 

[paulitician]

Sad to say, but a viable Third Party just isn't an option. The System is far too entrenched and corrupt for that to happen. The two Political Parties thoroughly control the MSM. Dr. Paul has fully understood this. The best one can hope for, is that his son and others change the Republican Party from the inside. And i'm actually optimistic about that happening. The cause of Freedom & Liberty is very powerful. And many more Americans are catching on. There is hope.

Yes, there is hope, but there is VERY little time...

Yes, and beware of false prophets too. Many Big Government Neocons are attempting to hijack the Movement. Americans need to be very savvy in understanding the difference. But like i said, i am optimistic. Change from the inside is possible, and i think it's already happening. But it will take awhile. You have to keep fighting though. Never give up.

 

[bobcollum]

My first major realization of how corrupt and controlling of the system the two parties are occurred in 2000, the year Ralph Nader was barred from the debates, and not only from participating, but even attending as a ticket holder. The system has been set up to make it virtually impossible to get your message out there if it's not sanctioned by the R, or DNC.

 

[paulitician]

My first major realization of how corrupt and controlling of the system the two parties are occurred in 2000, the year Ralph Nader was barred from the debates, and not only from participating, but even attending as a ticket holder. The system has been set up to make it virtually impossible to get your message out there if it's not sanctioned by the R, or DNC.

Spot On. And that's why Ron Paul is such a wonderful anomaly. Somehow he has managed to get noticed and get his message out. It's a stunning & monumental achievement. He really is making a difference, despite the One Party-rule System. And now hopefully, his son can make the changes even he never dreamed possible. It's gonna be fun watching what happens in the Republican Party in the coming years. Bet on that.

 

[bobcollum]

My first major realization of how corrupt and controlling of the system the two parties are occurred in 2000, the year Ralph Nader was barred from the debates, and not only from participating, but even attending as a ticket holder. The system has been set up to make it virtually impossible to get your message out there if it's not sanctioned by the R, or DNC.

Spot On. And that's why Ron Paul is such a wonderful anomaly. Somehow he has managed to get noticed and get his message out. It's a stunning & monumental achievement. He really is making a difference, despite the One Party-rule System. And now hopefully, his son can make the changes even he never dreamed possible. It's gonna be fun watching what happens in the Republican Party in the coming years. Bet on that.

The scale of expansion for Paul's message is quite impressive, and I attribute much of it to the internet. If the overall use of it today was like that in 2000 you probably would've seen Nader eclipse that 15% in the polls marker keeping third-parties out of debates....they've almost completely lost one of the advantages they had, which was controlling the airwaves, though it still remains to some degree.

Enough people will figure all this out eventually, I just don't know how long it will take.

 

[GuyPinestra]

my first major realization of how corrupt and controlling of the system the two parties are occurred in 2000, the year ralph nader was barred from the debates, and not only from participating, but even attending as a ticket holder. The system has been set up to make it virtually impossible to get your message out there if it's not sanctioned by the r, or dnc.

spot on. And that's why ron paul is such a wonderful anomaly. Somehow he has managed to get noticed and get his message out. It's a stunning & monumental achievement. He really is making a difference, despite the one party-rule system. And now hopefully, his son can make the changes even he never dreamed possible. It's gonna be fun watching what happens in the republican party in the coming years. Bet on that.

the scale of expansion for paul's message is quite impressive, and i attribute much of it to the internet. If the overall use of it today was like that in 2000 you probably would've seen nader eclipse that 15% in the polls marker keeping third-parties out of debates....they've almost completely lost one of the advantages they had, which was controlling the airwaves, though it still remains to some degree.

Enough people will figure all this out eventually, i just don't know how long it will take.

there is a bipartisan effort to control the internet so as to take away the last vestige of free information.

 

[whitehall]

Here's the deal, CNN isn't supporting a new political party. It's trying to impact voter turnout in the next election. Here's a unique question. Why not try to improve the quality of candidates who reflect your views within the republican or democrat party? Too lazy? Too full of of political cliches to think straight? The Tea Party is trying to work within the system and improve the quality of candidates and CNN hates them. Does that tell you anything about the current political scene?

 

[bobcollum]

spot on. And that's why ron paul is such a wonderful anomaly. Somehow he has managed to get noticed and get his message out. It's a stunning & monumental achievement. He really is making a difference, despite the one party-rule system. And now hopefully, his son can make the changes even he never dreamed possible. It's gonna be fun watching what happens in the republican party in the coming years. Bet on that.

the scale of expansion for paul's message is quite impressive, and i attribute much of it to the internet. If the overall use of it today was like that in 2000 you probably would've seen nader eclipse that 15% in the polls marker keeping third-parties out of debates....they've almost completely lost one of the advantages they had, which was controlling the airwaves, though it still remains to some degree.

Enough people will figure all this out eventually, i just don't know how long it will take.

there is a bipartisan effort to control the internet so as to take away the last vestige of free information.

Here's to hoping it won't happen, or that too many already know the truth. Humans are crafty creatures, and I have faith that what info is out there isn't only on the internet anymore.

 

[bobcollum]

Here's the deal, CNN isn't supporting a new political party. It's trying to impact voter turnout in the next election. Here's a unique question. Why not try to improve the quality of candidates who reflect your views within the republican or democrat party? Too lazy? Too full of of political cliches to think straight? The Tea Party is trying to work within the system and improve the quality of candidates and CNN hates them. Does that tell you anything about the current political scene?

It tells me you're a partisan-hack that hates CNN.

 

[paulitician]

My first major realization of how corrupt and controlling of the system the two parties are occurred in 2000, the year Ralph Nader was barred from the debates, and not only from participating, but even attending as a ticket holder. The system has been set up to make it virtually impossible to get your message out there if it's not sanctioned by the R, or DNC.

Spot On. And that's why Ron Paul is such a wonderful anomaly. Somehow he has managed to get noticed and get his message out. It's a stunning & monumental achievement. He really is making a difference, despite the One Party-rule System. And now hopefully, his son can make the changes even he never dreamed possible. It's gonna be fun watching what happens in the Republican Party in the coming years. Bet on that.

The scale of expansion for Paul's message is quite impressive, and I attribute much of it to the internet. If the overall use of it today was like that in 2000 you probably would've seen Nader eclipse that 15% in the polls marker keeping third-parties out of debates....they've almost completely lost one of the advantages they had, which was controlling the airwaves, though it still remains to some degree.

Enough people will figure all this out eventually, I just don't know how long it will take.

Unfortunately, Big Brother is in the process of seizing the Internet too. So we'll definitely have to stay vigilant on that. But you made some great points. Thanks.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Here's the deal, CNN isn't supporting a new political party. It's trying to impact voter turnout in the next election. Here's a unique question. Why not try to improve the quality of candidates who reflect your views within the republican or democrat party? Too lazy? Too full of of political cliches to think straight? The Tea Party is trying to work within the system and improve the quality of candidates and CNN hates them. Does that tell you anything about the current political scene?

Ron Paul is the Godfather of the TEA Party and look what you authoritarian fucks did to him and his supporters! You want to promote the TEA Party but don't want to give credit to the ORIGINATOR of it, go FUCK yourself!

 

[JimBowie1958]

Yes it would. The right should have made some concessions and made sure they could still contend.

How is someone supposed to make reasonable compromises with people that will kidnap your leaders by buying off bus drivers to keep circling the convention center and not letting them get out?

How do you engage in a 'unity effort' with people who ignore your support by scripting in the elite side winning a voice vote that had the winner already decided?

Surely you jest.

No... I don't jest. They shouldn't have done that. They should have given concessions to it's voting base to make a stronger party.

I seem to be rubbing you the wrong way while agreeing with you. I find that odd.

I didnt realize by usijng the word 'right' that you meant the GOP.

And I was in a bad mood after reading about the Tampa shenanigans.

Getting a third party started is going to be difficult and hand the Dems power for the next 20 years if not more, but it will be worth it to be shed of the GOP fascists.