Elizabeth Warren? Seriously?

[Pogo]

Recap:

Her parents: White

Her grandparents: White

Her great grandparents in Cherokee territory: white

Number of Lizzy Warren Cherokee Ancestors identified by Lizzy or her doppelganger Pogo: 0, nada, zip, zero

Why are you always qualifying great-granddparents with "in Cherokee territory"? Find something you can't tell the class about?

You already conceded the Lenape part, right? I notice you don't go there either...

Because that's the most likely place for her to have those imaginary Cherokee ancestors she claimed. Of course, you're telling us that 200,000 years ago some Warren ancestor in the Fertile Crescent MIGHT have been a Cherokee and therefore Lizzy is not a pathological liar

Really Frank...

So Cherokee people are incapable of venturing outside their own territory?? How do you think they ah, got to Oklahoma?
I live on the original Cherokee land and I'm a long way from Oklahoma.

"Liar" is an absolute. Your job is to prove the negative. Better get busy.

So you do concede Lenape. Just to get that on the record.

Thank you. Case closed.

200 years ago they were escorted by armed guard to Oklahoma, and then they weren't allowed to leave.

When it worked. Doesn't quite explain how there are, right now, Cherokees living here in Carolina, with Cherokee names, living on roads signed in the Cherokee language. It's not like it's impossible to hide out from the US Army, especially when your people have lived in the area for millennia. Just as there are still Acadians in Acadia the Brits didn't get to.

"Armed guard" is an interestingly biased turn of phrase. Pray, what were we "guarding" them from?

 

[bripat9643]

Recap:

Her parents: White

Her grandparents: White

Her great grandparents in Cherokee territory: white

Number of Lizzy Warren Cherokee Ancestors identified by Lizzy or her doppelganger Pogo: 0, nada, zip, zero

Why are you always qualifying great-granddparents with "in Cherokee territory"? Find something you can't tell the class about?

You already conceded the Lenape part, right? I notice you don't go there either...

Because that's the most likely place for her to have those imaginary Cherokee ancestors she claimed. Of course, you're telling us that 200,000 years ago some Warren ancestor in the Fertile Crescent MIGHT have been a Cherokee and therefore Lizzy is not a pathological liar

Really Frank...

So Cherokee people are incapable of venturing outside their own territory?? How do you think they ah, got to Oklahoma?
I live on the original Cherokee land and I'm a long way from Oklahoma.

"Liar" is an absolute. Your job is to prove the negative. Better get busy.

So you do concede Lenape. Just to get that on the record.

Thank you. Case closed.

200 years ago they were escorted by armed guard to Oklahoma, and then they weren't allowed to leave.

When it worked. Doesn't quite explain how there are, right now, Cherokees living here in Carolina, with Cherokee names, living on roads signed in the Cherokee language. It's not like it's impossible to hide out from the US Army, especially when your people have lived in the area for millennia. Just as there are still Acadians in Acadia the Brits didn't get to.

So a few managed to escape the noose. How many was that? I'm sure the numbers were small. What are the odds of one of them being an ancestor to Fauxcahontas? Astronomical, I would say.

"Armed guard" is an interestingly biased turn of phrase. Pray, what were we "guarding" them from?

We were guarding them from escaping.

 

[Pogo]

Why are you always qualifying great-granddparents with "in Cherokee territory"? Find something you can't tell the class about?

You already conceded the Lenape part, right? I notice you don't go there either...

Because that's the most likely place for her to have those imaginary Cherokee ancestors she claimed. Of course, you're telling us that 200,000 years ago some Warren ancestor in the Fertile Crescent MIGHT have been a Cherokee and therefore Lizzy is not a pathological liar

Really Frank...

So Cherokee people are incapable of venturing outside their own territory?? How do you think they ah, got to Oklahoma?
I live on the original Cherokee land and I'm a long way from Oklahoma.

"Liar" is an absolute. Your job is to prove the negative. Better get busy.

So you do concede Lenape. Just to get that on the record.

Thank you. Case closed.

200 years ago they were escorted by armed guard to Oklahoma, and then they weren't allowed to leave.

When it worked. Doesn't quite explain how there are, right now, Cherokees living here in Carolina, with Cherokee names, living on roads signed in the Cherokee language. It's not like it's impossible to hide out from the US Army, especially when your people have lived in the area for millennia. Just as there are still Acadians in Acadia the Brits didn't get to.

So a few managed to escape the noose. How many was that? I'm sure the numbers were small. What are the odds of one of them being an ancestor to Fauxcahontas? Astronomical, I would say.

"Armed guard" is an interestingly biased turn of phrase. Pray, what were we "guarding" them from?

We were guarding them from escaping.

Doesn't matter what the "odds" are; Frank and the other wags have been claiming an absolute, not a probability. And he hasn't proven his negative absolute about "Cherokee territory" anyway, regardless what that means. Nor has he touched the Lenape ingredient, which is just as Indian as Cherokee. So he and his ilk have failed on multiple fronts.

You don't "guard someone from" freedom. "Guarding" means protection. But it's instructive about how you view the concept of freedom as an Authoritarian.

"Freedom is slavery", right comrade?

 

[BullKurtz]

The Cherokee TRIBE disavowed her....she's not getting any casino money....Elizabeth might as well go back to being a store window mannequin.

 

[ChrisL]

Because that's the most likely place for her to have those imaginary Cherokee ancestors she claimed. Of course, you're telling us that 200,000 years ago some Warren ancestor in the Fertile Crescent MIGHT have been a Cherokee and therefore Lizzy is not a pathological liar

Really Frank...

So Cherokee people are incapable of venturing outside their own territory?? How do you think they ah, got to Oklahoma?
I live on the original Cherokee land and I'm a long way from Oklahoma.

"Liar" is an absolute. Your job is to prove the negative. Better get busy.

So you do concede Lenape. Just to get that on the record.

Thank you. Case closed.

200 years ago they were escorted by armed guard to Oklahoma, and then they weren't allowed to leave.

When it worked. Doesn't quite explain how there are, right now, Cherokees living here in Carolina, with Cherokee names, living on roads signed in the Cherokee language. It's not like it's impossible to hide out from the US Army, especially when your people have lived in the area for millennia. Just as there are still Acadians in Acadia the Brits didn't get to.

So a few managed to escape the noose. How many was that? I'm sure the numbers were small. What are the odds of one of them being an ancestor to Fauxcahontas? Astronomical, I would say.

"Armed guard" is an interestingly biased turn of phrase. Pray, what were we "guarding" them from?

We were guarding them from escaping.

Doesn't matter what the "odds" are; Frank and the other wags have been claiming an absolute, not a probability. And he hasn't proven his negative absolute about "Cherokee territory" anyway, regardless what that means. Nor has he touched the Lenape ingredient, which is just as Indian as Cherokee. So he and his ilk have failed on multiple fronts.

You don't "guard someone from" freedom. "Guarding" means protection. But it's instructive about how you view the concept of freedom as an Authoritarian.

"Freedom is slavery", right comrade?

Oh, come on. She was lying. I know, you know, we all know it. She probably thought she would get some kind of favoritism or something. "First dibs" something like that. Yeah, this is not a person I would ever vote for. How could I possibly believe anything she says?

 

[ChrisL]

She made the claim, please identify the Warren Cherokee

Your burden -- not mine. You're the sterling intellect who claimed a negative. Again, good luck on that.
Maybe you'll figure it out by Christmas.

Her burden, her White Man's burden

Nope -- yours.
You see Grasshopper -- claiming a positive in an infinite field of possibilities means an infinite number of possible answers.
Claiming a negative as you did however means one -- and that one is that you eliminate ALL of those infinite possibilities. Thirty-three thousand people as I mapped out earlier.

I believe you're up to .... let's add 'em up, carry the zero....

Two!

And even then you're going by a census taker's record, which is based on empirical observation and allows only one answer anyway. So really zero.

You're making real progress here Frank. Better than expected. Keep up the ace detective work.
Might wanna keep the day job though, just in case.

Good Lord, this is ridiculous. You still haven't answered my question about if you would ever think about checking off minority status on any applications based upon your family stories? How dumb must one be?

I don't remember not answering that. Maybe it was da pudding.

Sure, I guess I would, although I've never seen "Black Irish" on an application.

But that has nothing to do with this topic. Liz Warren didn't "check off" any such thing. The one place she did have occasion to, at Rutgers where the form asked if the applicant is interested in applying under such a provision, she checked "no". So -- so much for that.

Black Irish? Is that like a black and white cookie?

 

[ChrisL]

Your burden -- not mine. You're the sterling intellect who claimed a negative. Again, good luck on that.
Maybe you'll figure it out by Christmas.

Her burden, her White Man's burden

Nope -- yours.
You see Grasshopper -- claiming a positive in an infinite field of possibilities means an infinite number of possible answers.
Claiming a negative as you did however means one -- and that one is that you eliminate ALL of those infinite possibilities. Thirty-three thousand people as I mapped out earlier.

I believe you're up to .... let's add 'em up, carry the zero....

Two!

And even then you're going by a census taker's record, which is based on empirical observation and allows only one answer anyway. So really zero.

You're making real progress here Frank. Better than expected. Keep up the ace detective work.
Might wanna keep the day job though, just in case.

Lizzy Cheekbone's, White Man's Burden, or how can she PROVE she's Cherokee in light of the following:

Her parents: White

Her grandparents: White

Her great grandparents in Cherokee territory: white

I always thought that claiming to be a minority was because a person may face some form of discrimination, trying to get into a school or perhaps trying to get a job or something. I wonder how much discrimination poor Liz suffered because of being native American? The poor thing.

No one suggested she did. Except you.

Well then she has no right to claim any kind of minority status. That is for people who have a hardship due to a minority status. Not for people like Elizabeth Warren. Give me a break.

 

[BullKurtz]

Black Irish? Is that like a black and white cookie?

The cookie that made Jerry sick as a dog.

 

[ChrisL]

Black Irish? Is that like a black and white cookie?

The cookie that made Jerry sick as a dog.

It ruined his no puking record! That's one of my favorite shows.

 

[ChrisL]

The Cherokee TRIBE disavowed her....she's not getting any casino money....Elizabeth might as well go back to being a store window mannequin.

Aren't mannequins supposed to be attractive?

 

[Pogo]

The Cherokee TRIBE disavowed her....she's not getting any casino money....Elizabeth might as well go back to being a store window mannequin.

Nobody "disavowed" anybody, Elmer. She never claimed to be a citizen of Cherokee Nation. So there was nothing to "disavow".

Must be fun, just making shit up.

 

[Pogo]

Really Frank...

So Cherokee people are incapable of venturing outside their own territory?? How do you think they ah, got to Oklahoma?
I live on the original Cherokee land and I'm a long way from Oklahoma.

"Liar" is an absolute. Your job is to prove the negative. Better get busy.

So you do concede Lenape. Just to get that on the record.

Thank you. Case closed.

200 years ago they were escorted by armed guard to Oklahoma, and then they weren't allowed to leave.

When it worked. Doesn't quite explain how there are, right now, Cherokees living here in Carolina, with Cherokee names, living on roads signed in the Cherokee language. It's not like it's impossible to hide out from the US Army, especially when your people have lived in the area for millennia. Just as there are still Acadians in Acadia the Brits didn't get to.

So a few managed to escape the noose. How many was that? I'm sure the numbers were small. What are the odds of one of them being an ancestor to Fauxcahontas? Astronomical, I would say.

"Armed guard" is an interestingly biased turn of phrase. Pray, what were we "guarding" them from?

We were guarding them from escaping.

Doesn't matter what the "odds" are; Frank and the other wags have been claiming an absolute, not a probability. And he hasn't proven his negative absolute about "Cherokee territory" anyway, regardless what that means. Nor has he touched the Lenape ingredient, which is just as Indian as Cherokee. So he and his ilk have failed on multiple fronts.

You don't "guard someone from" freedom. "Guarding" means protection. But it's instructive about how you view the concept of freedom as an Authoritarian.

"Freedom is slavery", right comrade?

Oh, come on. She was lying. I know, you know, we all know it. She probably thought she would get some kind of favoritism or something. "First dibs" something like that. Yeah, this is not a person I would ever vote for. How could I possibly believe anything she says?

---- and there it is again, the absolute statement that requires proof of a negative, which none of you can do. Followed in short order by the "everybody knows" fallacy (at one time "everybody knew" the earth was flat). So you're free to not trust her word but just so you know, you're the one who set that up going in.

 

[ChrisL]

200 years ago they were escorted by armed guard to Oklahoma, and then they weren't allowed to leave.

When it worked. Doesn't quite explain how there are, right now, Cherokees living here in Carolina, with Cherokee names, living on roads signed in the Cherokee language. It's not like it's impossible to hide out from the US Army, especially when your people have lived in the area for millennia. Just as there are still Acadians in Acadia the Brits didn't get to.

So a few managed to escape the noose. How many was that? I'm sure the numbers were small. What are the odds of one of them being an ancestor to Fauxcahontas? Astronomical, I would say.

"Armed guard" is an interestingly biased turn of phrase. Pray, what were we "guarding" them from?

We were guarding them from escaping.

Doesn't matter what the "odds" are; Frank and the other wags have been claiming an absolute, not a probability. And he hasn't proven his negative absolute about "Cherokee territory" anyway, regardless what that means. Nor has he touched the Lenape ingredient, which is just as Indian as Cherokee. So he and his ilk have failed on multiple fronts.

You don't "guard someone from" freedom. "Guarding" means protection. But it's instructive about how you view the concept of freedom as an Authoritarian.

"Freedom is slavery", right comrade?

Oh, come on. She was lying. I know, you know, we all know it. She probably thought she would get some kind of favoritism or something. "First dibs" something like that. Yeah, this is not a person I would ever vote for. How could I possibly believe anything she says?

---- and there it is again, the absolute statement that requires proof of a negative, which none of you can do. Followed in short order by the "everybody knows" fallacy (at one time "everybody knew" the earth was flat). So you're free to not trust her word but just so you know, you're the one who set that up going in.

Okay, everybody knows except for you! Better?

 

[Pogo]

Your burden -- not mine. You're the sterling intellect who claimed a negative. Again, good luck on that.
Maybe you'll figure it out by Christmas.

Her burden, her White Man's burden

Nope -- yours.
You see Grasshopper -- claiming a positive in an infinite field of possibilities means an infinite number of possible answers.
Claiming a negative as you did however means one -- and that one is that you eliminate ALL of those infinite possibilities. Thirty-three thousand people as I mapped out earlier.

I believe you're up to .... let's add 'em up, carry the zero....

Two!

And even then you're going by a census taker's record, which is based on empirical observation and allows only one answer anyway. So really zero.

You're making real progress here Frank. Better than expected. Keep up the ace detective work.
Might wanna keep the day job though, just in case.

Good Lord, this is ridiculous. You still haven't answered my question about if you would ever think about checking off minority status on any applications based upon your family stories? How dumb must one be?

I don't remember not answering that. Maybe it was da pudding.

Sure, I guess I would, although I've never seen "Black Irish" on an application.

But that has nothing to do with this topic. Liz Warren didn't "check off" any such thing. The one place she did have occasion to, at Rutgers where the form asked if the applicant is interested in applying under such a provision, she checked "no". So -- so much for that.

Black Irish? Is that like a black and white cookie?

Google is yer friend, lass.

And cookies are mine.

 

[Pogo]

Her burden, her White Man's burden

Nope -- yours.
You see Grasshopper -- claiming a positive in an infinite field of possibilities means an infinite number of possible answers.
Claiming a negative as you did however means one -- and that one is that you eliminate ALL of those infinite possibilities. Thirty-three thousand people as I mapped out earlier.

I believe you're up to .... let's add 'em up, carry the zero....

Two!

And even then you're going by a census taker's record, which is based on empirical observation and allows only one answer anyway. So really zero.

You're making real progress here Frank. Better than expected. Keep up the ace detective work.
Might wanna keep the day job though, just in case.

Lizzy Cheekbone's, White Man's Burden, or how can she PROVE she's Cherokee in light of the following:

Her parents: White

Her grandparents: White

Her great grandparents in Cherokee territory: white

I always thought that claiming to be a minority was because a person may face some form of discrimination, trying to get into a school or perhaps trying to get a job or something. I wonder how much discrimination poor Liz suffered because of being native American? The poor thing.

No one suggested she did. Except you.

Well then she has no right to claim any kind of minority status. That is for people who have a hardship due to a minority status. Not for people like Elizabeth Warren. Give me a break.

Re-read previous.

 

[Pogo]

Black Irish? Is that like a black and white cookie?

The cookie that made Jerry sick as a dog.

It ruined his no puking record! That's one of my favorite shows.

Who the fuck is "Jerry"?

 

[Pogo]

When it worked. Doesn't quite explain how there are, right now, Cherokees living here in Carolina, with Cherokee names, living on roads signed in the Cherokee language. It's not like it's impossible to hide out from the US Army, especially when your people have lived in the area for millennia. Just as there are still Acadians in Acadia the Brits didn't get to.

So a few managed to escape the noose. How many was that? I'm sure the numbers were small. What are the odds of one of them being an ancestor to Fauxcahontas? Astronomical, I would say.

"Armed guard" is an interestingly biased turn of phrase. Pray, what were we "guarding" them from?

We were guarding them from escaping.

Doesn't matter what the "odds" are; Frank and the other wags have been claiming an absolute, not a probability. And he hasn't proven his negative absolute about "Cherokee territory" anyway, regardless what that means. Nor has he touched the Lenape ingredient, which is just as Indian as Cherokee. So he and his ilk have failed on multiple fronts.

You don't "guard someone from" freedom. "Guarding" means protection. But it's instructive about how you view the concept of freedom as an Authoritarian.

"Freedom is slavery", right comrade?

Oh, come on. She was lying. I know, you know, we all know it. She probably thought she would get some kind of favoritism or something. "First dibs" something like that. Yeah, this is not a person I would ever vote for. How could I possibly believe anything she says?

---- and there it is again, the absolute statement that requires proof of a negative, which none of you can do. Followed in short order by the "everybody knows" fallacy (at one time "everybody knew" the earth was flat). So you're free to not trust her word but just so you know, you're the one who set that up going in.

Okay, everybody knows except for you! Better?

In reality nobody "knows". That requires proving the negative.
What everybody (else) does know though, is to not make absolute statements they can't prove.

 

[ChrisL]

Black Irish? Is that like a black and white cookie?

The cookie that made Jerry sick as a dog.

It ruined his no puking record! That's one of my favorite shows.

Who the fuck is "Jerry"?

Jerry Seinfeld of course!

 

[ChrisL]

So a few managed to escape the noose. How many was that? I'm sure the numbers were small. What are the odds of one of them being an ancestor to Fauxcahontas? Astronomical, I would say.

We were guarding them from escaping.

Doesn't matter what the "odds" are; Frank and the other wags have been claiming an absolute, not a probability. And he hasn't proven his negative absolute about "Cherokee territory" anyway, regardless what that means. Nor has he touched the Lenape ingredient, which is just as Indian as Cherokee. So he and his ilk have failed on multiple fronts.

You don't "guard someone from" freedom. "Guarding" means protection. But it's instructive about how you view the concept of freedom as an Authoritarian.

"Freedom is slavery", right comrade?

Oh, come on. She was lying. I know, you know, we all know it. She probably thought she would get some kind of favoritism or something. "First dibs" something like that. Yeah, this is not a person I would ever vote for. How could I possibly believe anything she says?

---- and there it is again, the absolute statement that requires proof of a negative, which none of you can do. Followed in short order by the "everybody knows" fallacy (at one time "everybody knew" the earth was flat). So you're free to not trust her word but just so you know, you're the one who set that up going in.

Okay, everybody knows except for you! Better?

In reality nobody "knows". That requires proving the negative.

No, that is you saying "prove that she isn't a native American." Well, the bottom line is, in our society, if she cannot prove that she IS, then she has no business claiming to be such. Everybody SHOULD know that much at least, including a person who expects to become the POTUS.

 

[ChrisL]

So a few managed to escape the noose. How many was that? I'm sure the numbers were small. What are the odds of one of them being an ancestor to Fauxcahontas? Astronomical, I would say.

We were guarding them from escaping.

Doesn't matter what the "odds" are; Frank and the other wags have been claiming an absolute, not a probability. And he hasn't proven his negative absolute about "Cherokee territory" anyway, regardless what that means. Nor has he touched the Lenape ingredient, which is just as Indian as Cherokee. So he and his ilk have failed on multiple fronts.

You don't "guard someone from" freedom. "Guarding" means protection. But it's instructive about how you view the concept of freedom as an Authoritarian.

"Freedom is slavery", right comrade?

Oh, come on. She was lying. I know, you know, we all know it. She probably thought she would get some kind of favoritism or something. "First dibs" something like that. Yeah, this is not a person I would ever vote for. How could I possibly believe anything she says?

---- and there it is again, the absolute statement that requires proof of a negative, which none of you can do. Followed in short order by the "everybody knows" fallacy (at one time "everybody knew" the earth was flat). So you're free to not trust her word but just so you know, you're the one who set that up going in.

Okay, everybody knows except for you! Better?

In reality nobody "knows". That requires proving the negative.
What everybody (else) does know though, is to not make absolute statements they can't prove.

Exactly. Thank you. Liz should have never claimed to be a native American.